Rock Music - It Kills - Another good & informative article by Terry Watkins

[Blain]

Nickleback is awesome, it is a type of rock yet it only stirs good feelings and gives me hope.

 

[SarahM777]

Sarah you know something, I did not consider the type of music that the third Reich was using during their campaign, I do know for a fact that they used 20th century FOX as part of their propaganda to help in bringing in Hitler's New Order.

And I do agree with you Sarah that Country Western music is no better because it is just as secular, worldly, and carnal like Rock & Roll. But the point of the OP was to show that there is power ibehind music and if it is the wrong kind of music, well, it is going to have a bad effect on people. But consider this Sarah, Satan when he was created as Lucifer, there were tabrets and pipes which were prepared in him in the day of his creation, so he was created to make music. I mean think about that. There is more behind this Christian Rock and CCM issue than at first may appear.

I never there wasn't power behind music. I am more aware of it then you realize. And my point is that one can have the very same effect from classical music. We have to be aware how that music affects us as an individual. Some people SHOULD not listen to classical.

But it has been shown, that Rock music exalts the flesh because it is mainly bass and rhythm. Do an experiment sometime, listen to a rock song for a couple of minutes and see how it elevates your flesh. And then listen to sone nice classical music like Beethoven and you'll the difference.

Sorry I do know what classical music does to me. Classical is ALL based on emotion. There are no lyrics so all it can be based on is EMOTION. Emotion does play to the flesh. Heck I know how I feel with Kenny G. (No lyrics by the way) How much of the jazz is based only on instruments and not lyrics? Isn't that also based on emotions? I have found that music WITHOUT lyrics can be just as bad as songs with fleshly lyrics.

I know of a brother in the Lord, who said that at one time when he was not doing too good in his fellowship with the Lord, that he had went with his friend to an Aero Smith rock concert. And he said at that concert he could see some of the girls who were up in the front row before the stage, and those girls were just raking their clothes off! You see? It is flesh. Rock & Roll music exalts the flesh. Anything with a heavy drum beat.

So you are comparing Petra to Aerosmith? UMMM I am not surprised that that is WHAT he saw at an Aerosmith concert.
Why was he? I have been to enough concerts to know what goes on (In my younger days before I knew the Lord)
And why would it be a surprise when that is often the very same thing that Aerosmith says in their lyrics?

And yea; I understand that a lot of people do overlook the evils of Country Western. Truth of the matter be told, it is just as bad as rock & roll and hip hop. It's just country western has a softer beat. So people think to themselves, "oh it must not be too bad" because it has a nice and soft beat to it." But a lot of Country music these days have worldly and carnal lyrics, so yea it is no better than rock & roll.

Sorry Chosen but country was that way a lot longer than Rock and Roll has been around.

 

[allaboutlove]

List of great christian rock... Gods not dead. Born again. Brand new man. Give me your peace. Four good friends. . Just a few fromt the top of my head.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

Sorry, but the Bible says God's only Son (capitalized) is Jesus, that is true. We have become sons (lowercase) of God by believing in the name of Jesus and accepting as Savior and Lord of our lives. As for rock music killing, lyrics can influence emotions, the choice still comes to the person listening to it, what mood are they in? what is their life like? and other questions.

Acts 5:29

We must obey God rather than man.

Yes Will, I see the point that you are making there. There is a distinction between the Son of God (Capital S) and a son ( lowercase s) of God. But in the lyrics to Petra's song "creed." He says that Jesus is His only son (lowercase s). And that is a contradiction in the Scriptures. Again see 1 John 3:1-3. There is many sons of God (lowercase s.) While there is only one begotten Son of God (Capital S), which is the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[SarahM777]

Yes Will, I see the point that you are making there. There is a distinction between the Son of God (Capital S) and a son ( lowercase s) of God. But in the lyrics to Petra's song "creed." He says that Jesus is His only son (lowercase s). And that is a contradiction in the Scriptures. Again see 1 John 3:1-3. There is many sons of God (lowercase s.) While there is only one begotten Son of God (Capital S), which is the Lord Jesus Christ.

Sorry Chosen,

I did not catch that this site did not capitalize it. In the original song lyrics it is capitalized and a number of the other lyrics do have it so.

 

[Nautilus]

Yes Will, I see the point that you are making there. There is a distinction between the Son of God (Capital S) and a son ( lowercase s) of God. But in the lyrics to Petra's song "creed." He says that Jesus is His only son (lowercase s). And that is a contradiction in the Scriptures. Again see 1 John 3:1-3. There is many sons of God (lowercase s.) While there is only one begotten Son of God (Capital S), which is the Lord Jesus Christ.

and thus the problem with KJV Only. just like this post where the argument is based on a typo, that apparently made the concept to difficult to understand, such are the version arguments for kjv only.

 

[jb]

Rock Music - It Kills...

I've been hearing about this 'supposed' fact for the last 30 years or so, it sounded like tripe when I first heard it and it still sounds like a lot of...TRIPE!

 

[joeyruready]

Good informative article? I thank you for posting this. Now I know I need to pray for you and terry Watkins. I do think this article misses falls short of the truth. Its easy to point to music or homosexuality or guns or republicans or the irs or jellybeans or large cokes and blame any of these things for immorality. Love does not consider blame, it takes responsibility.

Psalm 59:17 You are my strength, I sing praise to you; you, God, are my fortress, my God on whom I can rely.

Psalm 66:4 All the earth bows down to you; they sing praise to you, they sing the praises of your name.”

Psalm 68:32 Sing to God, you kingdoms of the earth, sing praise to the Lord,

Psalm 71:22 I will praise you with the harp for your faithfulness, my God; I will sing praise to you with the lyre, Holy One of Israel.

Psalm 101:1 I will sing of your love and justice; to you, Lord, I will sing praise.

Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

I never there wasn't power behind music. I am more aware of it then you realize. And my point is that one can have the very same effect from classical music. We have to be aware how that music affects us as an individual. Some people SHOULD not listen to classical.

Well Classical music has been shown and proven to enhance genius and also it has been shown to have a beneficial effect on mental development on those who listen to classical music at a young age.

Sorry I do know what classical music does to me. Classical is ALL based on emotion. There are no lyrics so all it can be based on is EMOTION. Emotion does play to the flesh. Heck I know how I feel with Kenny G. (No lyrics by the way) How much of the jazz is based only on instruments and not lyrics? Isn't that also based on emotions? I have found that music WITHOUT lyrics can be just as bad as songs with fleshly lyrics.

Well maybe it does have an effect on the flesh as well Sarah, but here is the thing, I can guarantee you that it does NOT have the same effect on your flesh as Rock & Roll music does. Why? Because again, Rock & Roll has been shown to exalt and excite the flesh by the heavy, pounding beat behind it. Remember that rock music's primary emphasis is on Rhythm.

Now Sarah, Is Rhythm necessary for music? Yes it is. But when there is a primary emphasis on Rhythm over melody, well then you need to watch out.

So you are comparing Petra to Aerosmith? UMMM I am not surprised that that is WHAT he saw at an Aerosmith concert.
Why was he? I have been to enough concerts to know what goes on (In my younger days before I knew the Lord)
And why would it be a surprise when that is often the very same thing that Aerosmith says in their lyrics?

Well what he was pointing out was the effect that the rock & roll music was having on those teenage girls. That's what rock & roll music does Sarah, you can't sanctify something that is of the world like hip hop or rock & roll.

And here is the other thing Sarah, the rock music in the background of Petra's song "creed" sounded just like the world. It sounded just like the world's rock music. And if Petra's music sounds like that, then he has conformed to the world.

Which means that he has not conformed to the word of God.

Petra has not renewed his mind in the word of God.

12 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. - Romans 12:1-2 (Holy Bible)

Sorry Chosen but country was that way a lot longer than Rock and Roll has been around.

Well Sarah; like I said already, I agree with you that Country music is no better than rock & roll because it has the same kind of worldly and carnal and fleshly lyrics behind it. But Sarah, what you need to understand is that the CCM Music Movement is not of the Lord. It just ain't. Any type of "Christian" Rock or "Christian" hip hop is not beneficial to your soul and spiritual well being.

Listen to the good old hymns. It is the hymns that are spiritual songs. And it is the hymns that is Biblical Music.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

terry watkins is another king james only cult member...he himself is a servant of demons...so he really has no place calling any kind of music demonic...

Rachel,

Terry Watkins is a King James Bible believer and who defends the pure, inerrant and infallible word of God.

While you Rachel on the other hand have set up your vain mind to be the final authority. And if I asked you or any other Alexandrian out there where can I get a copy of the perfect and inerrant word of God. You, nor James White, nor any other "educated," and "respected," Greek "Scholar" and bible agnostic could give me an honest answer. Why? Because the Alexandrian apostates are professional liars. Like James White.

Nothing could be more ridiculous than believing what the Alexandrian cult believes.

Which is if you ask them (the Alexandrians), they will claim that they believe that the Bible is the perfect word of God. But when you ask them which Bible are they referring to, all of a sudden, they have none to offer, since they actually were referring to a phantom, mystical bible that doesn't exist except in their own minds.

But we King James Bible believers, on the other hand, do have a tangible and perfect Book which we can hand to someone. And that is the Authorized King James Bible. Tried and tested. And approved and blessed by God Almighty.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

terry watkins is another king james only cult member...he himself is a servant of demons...so he really has no place calling any kind of music demonic...

And one other thing Rachel, you attack Final Authority but Brother Terry Watkins defends Final Authority.

So who here is really a servant to demons? or devils?

You are Rachel. You are working for Satan if you attack the King James Bible and defend the modern versions.

You are on the wrong side of this issue. And you better repent in regard to this important issue over Final Written Authority.

 

[SarahM777]

Well maybe it does have an effect on the flesh as well Sarah, but here is the thing, I can guarantee you that it does NOT have the same effect on your flesh as Rock & Roll music does. Why? Because again, Rock & Roll has been shown to exalt and excite the flesh by the heavy, pounding beat behind it. Remember that rock music's primary emphasis is on Rhythm.

UMM You have never ever been with your wife with mood music?

 

[Shiloah]

And one other thing Rachel, you attack Final Authority but Brother Terry Watkins defends Final Authority.

So who here is really a servant to demons? or devils?

You are Rachel. You are working for Satan if you attack the King James Bible and defend the modern versions.

You are on the wrong side of this issue. And you better repent in regard to this important issue over Final Written Authority.

Well why don't we wait on the Final Ultimate Authority's judgment on English translations before we assign judgement, how about? Are you that? I think not. And you know what? I'll be surprised if the topic even comes up.

 

[Shiloah]

whoever i dont like...is unloving and isnt bearing the fruit
anyone who doesnt like me...is prolly not saved
if i dont like the music...its prolly demonic
signed,

The Pharisee

This says it all.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

Jesus didn't hesistate to call the Pharisees sons of Satan or a brood of vipers.


On topic: It's nonsenical to think rock music is the cause of suicide for teens. I've talked with depressed/suicidal teens before. When asked why they feel the way they do, the list of reasons include:

1. Bullied at school
2. Abuse (physical, sexual, or verbal) from their father, mother, or whoever they're living with
3. Tragic loss of a family member

Other reasons include drug/alcohol abuse and low self-esteem, but upon investigation, those things are usually caused by one or more of the above.

Notice any patterns in numbers 1-3? They all have to do with relationships and how we treat one another. To try and blame rock music for teen suicide is a facade to try and take the blame off of the real issue, how they are being treated as people by other people.

No Megaman, what is unfortunate is that you clearly reject the truth. Did you even read the whole article which brother Terry Watkins wrote on this issue?

The facts speak for themselves. Now are the other reasons you listed for teen depression and suicide valid? Yes they are. Those other reasons are valid causes for teen depression and suicide. But so is rock & roll music. Rock & roll music is heavily connected with the occult and satanism. Have you ever studied the symbols on a lot of these rock albums, even the "Christian" ones? The symbols are occultic. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. If you have at least a ounce of spiritual discernment than you can understand this truth.

Here are some of the occultic symbols put out on "Christian" albums. In particular, P.O.D.'s albums:



The Triqueta is used as the centerpiece for the logo for The Institute of Transpersonal Psychology (ITP). The ITP is a new age school following the Jungian Psychology [occultist Carl Jung]. One of their stated goals is ". . . to reach the
recognition of divinity within"(Oops! | Vantage Media) (see Genesis 3:5, "...ye shall be as gods...")

The same symbol (with a circle as does P.O.D. also) is displayed by the rock group Led Zeppelin. Members of Led Zeppelin are deeply involved in satanism and the occult. Guitarist Jimmy Page, so consumed with satanism, actually purchased satanist Aleister Crowley's mansion. Most believe the symbol is from the teachings of Aleister Crowley and represents 666.








P.O.D.’s album cover [ON LEFT] displays a semi-nude woman (with her crossed arms covering her bare breasts) wearing a crown with the wings of a butterfly.The winged-lady-butterfly is a mystic fairy. Fairies have a long and winding history in witchcraft and the occult.

The Woman’s Dictionary of Symbols and Sacred Objects describes the fairy as, "tiny female spirit with butterfly wings. . ." (p. 246) The fairy is depicted as a Queen with a crown. (p. 245) It goes on to say, ". . . the fairies were originally the souls of the pagan dead. . . In several folk ballads the Fairy Queen is addressed as ‘Queen of Heaven’. . . Christian sources depicted fairies as real people, almost synonymous with witches." (The Woman’s Dictionary of Symbols and Sacred Objects,p. 246)The Guide to the Occult and Mysticism writes of fairies:

"According to theory, fairies are either: earthbound unbaptized souls; guardians of the souls of the dead; ghosts of venerated ancestors; fallen angels condemned to remain on earth; nature spirits, or small human beings. They are said to have magical powers and to consort with witches and other humans with supernatural powers. . ."
(Geddes and Grosett, Guide to the Occult and Mysticism, p. 446)​

The popular occult "field guide" titled, A Field Guide to Demons, Fairies, Fallen Angels and Other Subversive Spirits (by Carol K. Mack and Dinah Mack) readily link demons and fallen angels with fairies.Fairies also represent the disembodied spirits of Halloween, and Christians knew them to be "demons". The Woman’s Dictionary of Symbols and Sacred Objects says:

"In Ireland, all the sidh or fairy hills (grave mounds) were said to open up on the occasion [Halloween]. Folks insisted that it was impossible to keep the fairies underground on Halloween. Since these fairies were simply pagan spirits, the church naturally insisted that demons were abroad on Halloween." (Walker, Barbara, The Woman’s Dictionary of Symbols and Sacred Objects, p. 180)​

 

[ChosenbyHim]

UMM You have never ever been with your wife with mood music?

Okay I see your point here Sarah, well in the case of Music without any lyrical content that is not classical, that will require discernment. And I definitely recommend prayer if you are not sure. But yeah Sarah, when you mentioned mood music, I thought about the New Age music that is out there like Yanni, pure moods, Cusco, etc. So yeah Sarah; I do see your point there, but if you really think about it. Classical music with mainly violins, flutes and other light instruments is not New Age.

I mean one of the songs I used to be into was Reve by Vangelis. Talk about a musical that has a calming effect on your senses!

And of course the New Age Music that is out there is promoted as being able to relax your senses. So yeah, there should definitely be a red flag there if the music with no lyrics that someone is listening to has a New Age theme to it. Or some kind of mystical Eastern religion theme behind it.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

Well why don't we wait on the Final Ultimate Authority's judgment on English translations before we assign judgement, how about? Are you that? I think not. And you know what? I'll be surprised if the topic even comes up.

Shiloah, there is already a perfect written Final Authoirty out there. And it is the word of God.

The issue in the Bible Version Issue is which Bible is the word of God?

God is not the author of confusion (See 1 Corinthians 14:33). So therefore, God is not behind all these multiple, different , contradicting modern translations.

Who he is then? It is Satan.

Also, God cannot lie (See Titus 1:2, and Numbers 23:19). Therefore, that is another reason why God is not the author of these modern translations.

There are countless contradictions and lies in the modern versions such as the NIV, NLT, NASB, LB, Message, and so forth.

It is Satan that is the author of these modern bible versions.

And again, the issue behind the Bible Version Issue is that of Written Final Authority. It is the battle over the Perfect Written Final Authority. Which is the most important battle on this earth. In the universe.

God is only the Author of One Book. And that is the King James Authorized Bible.

 

[SarahM777]

Well Classical music has been shown and proven to enhance genius and also it has been shown to have a beneficial effect on mental development on those who listen to classical music at a young age.

You state that,but what is it based on by who and what?

Well maybe it does have an effect on the flesh as well Sarah, but here is the thing, I can guarantee you that it does NOT have the same effect on your flesh as Rock & Roll music does. Why? Because again, Rock & Roll has been shown to exalt and excite the flesh by the heavy, pounding beat behind it. Remember that rock music's primary emphasis is on Rhythm.

Sure it does,it may not be based on the rhythm but one can sure end up in the same place. Do you honestly think that when men put on a candle lit dinner,with that oh so romantic music,that they are not APPEALING to the flesh? Do you honestly think guys would keep doing it if it didn't work?

Now Sarah, Is Rhythm necessary for music? Yes it is. But when there is a primary emphasis on Rhythm over melody, well then you need to watch out.

According to who? And by what standards? What are you basing it on?

[/SIZE]Well what he was pointing out was the effect that the rock & roll music was having on those teenage girls. That's what rock & roll music does Sarah, you can't sanctify something that is of the world like hip hop or rock & roll.

Again if you listen to enough Aerosmith it's in their lyrics also.

And here is the other thing Sarah, the rock music in the background of Petra's song "creed" sounded just like the world. It sounded just like the world's rock music. And if Petra's music sounds like that, then he has conformed to the world.

Take your pick of whatever music you want to there is always a tie into music that is very similar to the world's music. Because if you're going to use that the music is somewhat the same you better get rid of all of your Beethoven,Bach and many others because they wrote BOTH worldly music and church music. You can not pick and choose that way and appear to be a hypocrite. Did they also all conform to this world or do you just pick and choose to fit your brand of Christianity?

Petra has not renewed his mind in the word of God.

12 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. - Romans 12:1-2 (Holy Bible)

First Petra is the name of the band not just the lead singer. For you to say that John Schlitt has not had his mind and heart renewed shows that you know very little. Listen to his testimony and then come back to me on that.

Well Sarah; like I said already, I agree with you that Country music is no better than rock & roll because it has the same kind of worldly and carnal and fleshly lyrics behind it. But Sarah, what you need to understand is that the CCM Music Movement is not of the Lord. It just ain't. Any type of "Christian" Rock or "Christian" hip hop is not beneficial to your soul and spiritual well being.

Where did I ever say anyone was suppose to listen to all of CCM's music? I never said that nor implied that. I am well aware of the fact that they have signed non Christian artists and they said they were. We are to have discernment about these things.

UMM From where I was the Lord did use this music,along with the Word to root me and ground me in Him. When I put on those praise tapes on the focus is on Him not me.

And again according to who and by what standards? Is it because you try to take the Rock and Roll that the world produces (Which of course it's not of God) and then just make a broad based statement that IT ALL MUST BE this way?
The people that often say this NEVER speak on Wagner,or any of the classical music that was WRITTEN about GREEK,ROMAN AND NORSE gods,or witches,warlocks,demons etc. But because it's classical it's OK and because it's just musical notes it's not of this world.

Listen to the good old hymns. It is the hymns that are spiritual songs. And it is the hymns that is Biblical Music.

UMM I did say that I go to a church where we still the old hymns. And guess what I get the same out of the hymns that I do out of Petra and many others. But I am also careful on what I listen to. Just because one says they are Christian does NOT mean they are.

 

[SarahM777]

Okay I see your point here Sarah, well in the case of Music without any lyrical content that is not classical, that will require discernment. And I definitely recommend prayer if you are not sure. But yeah Sarah, when you mentioned mood music, I thought about the New Age music that is out there like Yanni, pure moods, Cusco, etc. So yeah Sarah; I do see your point there, but if you really think about it. Classical music with mainly violins, flutes and other light instruments is not New Age.

I mean one of the songs I used to be into was Reve by Vangelis. Talk about a musical that has a calming effect on your senses!

And of course the New Age Music that is out there is promoted as being able to relax your senses. So yeah, there should definitely be a red flag there if the music with no lyrics that someone is listening to has a New Age theme to it. Or some kind of mystical Eastern religion theme behind it.

EEEEEWWWWW New Age music gives me the creeps. I was talking about stuff like Kenny G and Chuck Mangione.

 

[Quakerguy]

Although I like some Hymns I'm not really a fan of Hymn Singing. I would rather go to Conservative Quaker Friends Meetings which have no Hymn Singing in their worship.
(I currently attend a Gurneyite Quaker Friends Meeting with Hymn Singing but if I ever move I will switch to a Conservative Quaker Friends Meeting.)

I'm not a fan of Most Christian Music but I do respect the Christian Music Artists but it's not my cup of tea.