I fail to see how meditating on the life of Our Lord is vain. While you may not get much out of it, praying to God, while meditating on Jesus doesn't seem vain at all.
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I fail to see how meditating on the life of Our Lord is vain. While you may not get much out of it, praying to God, while meditating on Jesus doesn't seem vain at all.
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kujo313
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Because Jesus said the greatest commandment is to love GOD with our ALL. (heart, mind, soul, strength)
When you repeat "hail MARY", ... well, why not "hail JESUS"?
Why? Because supposedly, "Mary" said so.
Many people find spiritual benefit in Islam, Hindu, trees, astrology, etc. They can meditate on Jesus, too.
What did Jesus tell us to meditate on? What did Paul write?
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_Centurion_
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Re: Roman Catholic?, claimed but not anymore
Tnanks
, just touched a nerve I guess. Was pretty late when I wrote that, so I was a little more blunt than tactful. Im glad Im not alone to see it tho. Not really my place to Judge really, but given Im agnostic I have far less reason to be concerned by it than others and yet it still I.
Thankyou for an honest responce.
One does wonder where the witness to Jesus has gone.
If you take anything from what you have read, take comfort that Jesus suffered because we are weak and full of sin.
Take comfort, that your eyes are called to Jesus, rather than the actions of man.
One of my favorate scriptures is, be still and know that I am God!
I hope you find that which is the whole gift in Jesus.
God bless.
pickles
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, just touched a nerve I guess. Was pretty late when I wrote that, so I was a little more blunt than tactful. Im glad Im not alone to see it tho. Not really my place to Judge really, but given Im agnostic I have far less reason to be concerned by it than others and yet it still I.You're right. You fail to see. ^
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So... quoting from the Gospel of Luke while thinking about aspects of Our Lord's ministry isn't a good thing?
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SantoSubito
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I prefer Ave Maria myself when I pray the Rosary. But neither you or others have addressed exactly how it is wrong in a manner that is convincing. In fact, if you remove the Protestant teaching against praying to the Saints then there is no obvious basis to dismiss the Rosary. Basically to establish that the Rosary to Catholics that the Rosary is wrong you first have to establish that prayer to the Saints is wrong.
No. You have to establish that praying to the saints is right... from scripture. And I don't mean Sola Scriptura.
Ultimately, I don't really care what rituals Catholics perform in their dead religion of men. It's no more Christian than other World Religions. Rub a rosary... rub a fat jade belly...
...which are quite easily done without bead rituals and unbiblical praying to dead people.
True communion of relational prayer supercedes such dead works.
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jhamerd
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But the Scripture is quite clear that the Saints in Heaven are not dead. So there is no communing with the dead in the Rosary.
See Matt. 22:32; Mark 12:27; Luke 20:38
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SantoSubito
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That would be true if Catholics were trying to prove that praying the Rosary is right to the Protestants, and not the other way round. If you insist that all doctrines must come solely from scripture then, yes, in essence you are insisting on Sola Scriptura
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Friarbob
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I think you became catholic becaused you wanted to become catholic not because of anything you read in the New TestamentIi prefer the term, "unabridged"
that said I became catholic after reading the Protestant canon
Well originally I started out trying to save a Catholic GF from "Romanism". But she was able to help me see that I didn't quite understand what I was talking about, and that I should really read up on what the Catholic Church teaches -vs- what I thought it taught. From there, I read up on what the Church teaches, and saw that they had a more coherent, more understandable, and more in depth understanding of the NT. Things that always bugged me suddenly made perfect sense.
yes my dear for many are called but a few chosen. they refuse to see this because of denial. never forget that god has always worked that way and still is. he always take the poor and humble, not the rich and powerful.moses was a nobody,david was a very young shepherd, Jesus was poor in the material, the 12 apostles are fisherman. non noble was chosen.
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VRJ
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What never made sense to me was that the Catholic friends I had considered it a sin to go to any church outside of their own and that all other religions was going to hell except those who were Catholics. I was shocked when I found this out.
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SantoSubito
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It's not a sin to go to a protestant church every now and then, but it is a sin to go to a protestant service instead of Mass, and it is a sin to take communion at a protestant church. as for "Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus" it means basically outside the bounds of Christianity there is no salvation; protestant churches are united imperfectly with the true church therefore salvific faith is possible in them.
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_Centurion_
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I guess having posted here, I should really answer to the threads topic.
No, Im agnostic. But I may be just a very, very lapsed and unobserving Catholic.
Yes, in the sense that I was baptised and have recieved first communion.
No, in that after my fathers death, my mother moved me to a prodestant church, not much later I lost faith that the church represented what I understood and loved of the Lord, so I left the body of the faith.
No, in that the church of which I was a member was a break away from the authority of the vatican. I was a little to young to understand the finer points of that. But from what I remember of the issue, it revolved around the delivering of the Mass in Latin and the papal decree that it be delivered in the native tongue of the congregation. I am sure there was more to it than that, but I dont know what those issues where.
Although, Agnostic if I was again do find my faith, I would almost certainly be Catholic, for many reasons from simple esthetics to scriptural reasons. But I am long way from that.
No, Im agnostic. But I may be just a very, very lapsed and unobserving Catholic.
Yes, in the sense that I was baptised and have recieved first communion.
No, in that after my fathers death, my mother moved me to a prodestant church, not much later I lost faith that the church represented what I understood and loved of the Lord, so I left the body of the faith.
No, in that the church of which I was a member was a break away from the authority of the vatican. I was a little to young to understand the finer points of that. But from what I remember of the issue, it revolved around the delivering of the Mass in Latin and the papal decree that it be delivered in the native tongue of the congregation. I am sure there was more to it than that, but I dont know what those issues where.
Although, Agnostic if I was again do find my faith, I would almost certainly be Catholic, for many reasons from simple esthetics to scriptural reasons. But I am long way from that.
I minister regularly to a group of Agnostic 160+ IQ Cognitive Sciences Grad Students. In recent months, they've admitted a much greater plausibility of being able to know there is a God; and admit the possibility that one can know God personally if He can be known at all.
You really seem more disillusioned and desperately disappointed than actually believing that it's not possible to even know if there IS a God. True faith is beyond that, of course; but you don't seem to truly be agnostic.
Whatever you're searching for, I hope it finds you.