Romans 8:1-13 part 1

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kenallen

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Romans chapter 8​


Chapter 7 was written to the those hat knew the law. Chapter 8 is written to God's elect; those chosen before the foundation of this world age.



Verse1. There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.



Make sure you read this with open eyes, open ears, and a open heart to receive what God is saying. He is not saying on of the most popular untrue doctrines out there:”Once Saved Always Saved. It does not say that. It does say you are not under condemnation UNLESS you walk after the flesh and not the Spirit. We are still in flesh bodies and as Paul himself said sometimes I mess up and I have to ask for forgiveness pick my self up knock the dust off ask God to forgive me and move on.



Verse 2. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.



The law of the Spirit: This is the Holy Spirit within you guiding you in the ways of Christ and when you follow after that law, that way, that life. The law of sin and death has no power over you. Example; lets say you might have had a problem with drinking a little to much or you used drugs. The holy Spirit takes that away and if you are even temped to go back the Holy Spirit will help you over come. If you keep in the old ways you will have but a short time for death of the flesh and the spirit are knocking at the door. This goes for all sin.



Verse 3. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh.



He “Jesus” came in the flesh; walked on this earth without sin showing us how to do it; and then died on the cross for us so that He became our sacrifice once and for all. Does that make us perfect? NO! John in the letters of John said “we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous”. The law is not weak the law was and is good it is the flesh that is weak.



Verse 5. That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.



The law is righteousness it is to do that which is right. It is a requirement of the law to walk in the Spirit and overcome. Before you jump all over me the law does not say you have to walk in the Spirit; but it is only by walking in the Spirit you can overcome. If you are going down the freeway at 85 mph and the speed limit is 65 you can get a speeding ticket and if you do just remember that is God's way of letting you know you have to obey mans law. O and it is a sin and you should ask for forgiveness and try not to do it again.



Verse 6. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.



If you have a fleshly mind you will be thanking about fleshly things; and led to death o the body and the soul. If you have a Spirit mind you will be thanking about our Heavenly Father. When you are trying to and are pleasing our Father He is going to bless you with His love and His blessings. This does not men that things will always be easy and you will get everything you want. You will have trills; that is God's way of taking out the impurities the dross just as a silversmith heats the silver to remove the impurities in it. As I said you may not get everything you want but you will get what you need and an eternal soul that will not die along with a spirit body that never ages, get sick, ect.



Verses 7&8.Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8.So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.



Carnal meaning Human nature in the Strong's. Because you have a human mind set on human things it is hostile toward God therefor it will always be at war with God and can never please God. This is why those in the flesh can not and will never please God. They are at war against Him.



Verse 9. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.



You are not in the flesh, you want nothing to do with the flesh, its lusts, desires ect. But in the Spirit, IF it is the Spirit of God living in you. You have to make sure you are of the right Spirit. You may not have the Spirit of Christ, The Holy Spirit. God has nothing to do with you.



Verse 10. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.



The flesh body is nothing more than a dead man, woman, child walking because of sin. There is hope and that hope is in only one place; Jesus Christ and The Holy Spirit which gives you Spiritual life because of “Your righteousness” no because of His righteousness dwelling within you; insuring that you will have a spiritual body with an immortal soul both of which will never parish.



Verse 11. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.



Shall also quicken means: to be made alive. Your mortal bodies soul shall no longer be mortal but immortal.



Verses 12&13. 12.Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.



If we are NOT in debt to the flesh, beholden to the flesh for if you live for the flesh you will die in the flesh. On the other hand if you choose to live by the Spirit and through the Spirit you will put to death the things “deeds” of the flesh you will live. Here and know and again when Christ shall return in you Spiritual body and your immortal soul. That body hat never ages, gets sick etc. and the Spirit of God that never dies.
 

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Verse 14. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.



Glory to God, Jesus Christ, and The Holy Spirit the 3 in 1 for this.



Verse 15-17 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17. And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.



When we get born again “born from above” we get rid of that spirit of bondage and fear we started with and receive the Holy Spirit meaning we are adopted by God giving us the right of son ship and that new spirit within us bears witness to that and gives us the power to follow through and serve our Heavenly Father. We suffer with him. We will go through some hard time but know that our Father is always with us and will never tempt us beyond our ability without giving us a way out. In the end if we hold true to Him we will reign with Him. We reign in the millennial Kingdom and in Gods Kingdom here on earth for ever and ever Amen. We don't just get to reign with Him we to have the same spirit, the same spiritual body, we get accuses to everything He has know and forever throughout eternity.



Verse 18.For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.



The Glory that is the pleasure of the things to come. That eternal life the earth put back into its original condition, form in which God created it.



Verse 19. For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.



Creature translate that as world “creation”. The world itself waits to be put back into its original condition before the overthrow of Satan.







Verse 20. For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,



This is the plan of the living God. The earth and everything there on and in are not happy with what is happening to it. You can not blame pollution it is the state of fallen man. Sin and the result from it.



Verse 21. Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.



It is going to be put back right that is why this earth is going to be such a heavenly place again and be that way for an eternity. What a blessing,privilege, joy, it will be to live in a place like that.



Verse 22. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.



You can look at this as labor pains. Jesus put it that way in Mark 13 Just the beginning of sorrows. Labor pains of the birth of a new age and it is coming.



Verse 23. And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption,to wit, the redemption of our body.



Groan within ourselves, Waiting underline that in your minds “waiting”. Waiting for what? The adoption to wit “To expect eagerly, wait for eagerly, look for. From apo and ekdechomai; to expect fully.” There is a qualifier here do not over look it; Which have the first fruits of the Spirit. Do you know what that is? It is election chosen before the foundation of the world. “Ephesians 1:4” Before the kataballo #2602 the overthrow. The bringing down of a foundation. That would have been the overthrow of Satan in the first world age. Why were you chosen? Because you stood against Satan then and you will stand against him this time also. Paul is not just speaking to someone that know the law but to a very special group of people that overcame once before and they will do it again. To wit: “to wait with great expectations” The redemption of our body “ the great expectation of our full salvation” that will happen at the sounding of the 7th trump when everyone left on earth will be changed in the twinkling of an eye into a spiritual body. Some will have a mortal soul and others a mortal soul. In other some souls will be libel to die and other will have an immortal soul that will live forever. Neither will have a flesh and blood body for as Paul clearly states in 1st Corinthians 15 Flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom of God. What happens when that last trump sounds?

Zachariah14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. 5And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.6And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark: 7But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.8And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.9And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one. Just how bib is that valley going to be. 60 miles square. You can read all about it in Ezekiel chapters 40-48



Verses 24&25. For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? 25.But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.



We are saved by Hope “faith” but not by a faith that is seen no as John 3 says the Spirit is like the wind we can not see it but we know it is there by the effects or lake of effects of it. If we hope for something we cans see is that really hope “faith”? Real hope real faith is believing in something you have not seen and can not see until you either die and go to paradise or you see the Son of Man coming on the clouds and in the twinkling of an eye we are all changed into spiritual bodies we join with Christ on the Mt of Olives and we see the New Jerusalem.



I thank I will stop right here because this should answer the question of redemption. Flesh and blood bodies going to heaven.
 
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Verse 14. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.



Glory to God, Jesus Christ, and The Holy Spirit the 3 in 1 for this.



Verse 15-17 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17. And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.



When we get born again “born from above” we get rid of that spirit of bondage and fear we started with and receive the Holy Spirit meaning we are adopted by God giving us the right of son ship and that new spirit within us bears witness to that and gives us the power to follow through and serve our Heavenly Father. We suffer with him. We will go through some hard time but know that our Father is always with us and will never tempt us beyond our ability without giving us a way out. In the end if we hold true to Him we will reign with Him. We reign in the millennial Kingdom and in Gods Kingdom here on earth for ever and ever Amen. We don't just get to reign with Him we to have the same spirit, the same spiritual body, we get accuses to everything He has know and forever throughout eternity.



Verse 18.For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.



The Glory that is the pleasure of the things to come. That eternal life the earth put back into its original condition, form in which God created it.



Verse 19. For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.



Creature translate that as world “creation”. The world itself waits to be put back into its original condition before the overthrow of Satan.







Verse 20. For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,



This is the plan of the living God. The earth and everything there on and in are not happy with what is happening to it. You can not blame pollution it is the state of fallen man. Sin and the result from it.



Verse 21. Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.



It is going to be put back right that is why this earth is going to be such a heavenly place again and be that way for an eternity. What a blessing,privilege, joy, it will be to live in a place like that.



Verse 22. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.



You can look at this as labor pains. Jesus put it that way in Mark 13 Just the beginning of sorrows. Labor pains of the birth of a new age and it is coming.



Verse 23. And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption,to wit, the redemption of our body.



Groan within ourselves, Waiting underline that in your minds “waiting”. Waiting for what? The adoption to wit “To expect eagerly, wait for eagerly, look for. From apo and ekdechomai; to expect fully.” There is a qualifier here do not over look it; Which have the first fruits of the Spirit. Do you know what that is? It is election chosen before the foundation of the world. “Ephesians 1:4” Before the kataballo #2602 the overthrow. The bringing down of a foundation. That would have been the overthrow of Satan in the first world age. Why were you chosen? Because you stood against Satan then and you will stand against him this time also. Paul is not just speaking to someone that know the law but to a very special group of people that overcame once before and they will do it again. To wit: “to wait with great expectations” The redemption of our body “ the great expectation of our full salvation” that will happen at the sounding of the 7th trump when everyone left on earth will be changed in the twinkling of an eye into a spiritual body. Some will have a mortal soul and others a mortal soul. In other some souls will be libel to die and other will have an immortal soul that will live forever. Neither will have a flesh and blood body for as Paul clearly states in 1st Corinthians 15 Flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom of God. What happens when that last trump sounds?

Zachariah14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. 5And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.6And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark: 7But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.8And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.9And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one. Just how bib is that valley going to be. 60 miles square. You can read all about it in Ezekiel chapters 40-48



Verses 24&25. For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? 25.But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.



We are saved by Hope “faith” but not by a faith that is seen no as John 3 says the Spirit is like the wind we can not see it but we know it is there by the effects or lake of effects of it. If we hope for something we cans see is that really hope “faith”? Real hope real faith is believing in something you have not seen and can not see until you either die and go to paradise or you see the Son of Man coming on the clouds and in the twinkling of an eye we are all changed into spiritual bodies we join with Christ on the Mt of Olives and we see the New Jerusalem.




Just been thinking about adoption and how there was 2 references to it (vs 15 & 23) regarding the time of adoption.
It seems we (adoptees) are adopted by law and are legally children by adoption but not living with our new parent (adopter) GOD. Like a child being adopted from another country. There is time between the moment the legal rights are granted by the relevant authorities' and the moment the adoptee and adopter actually are physically together. From the moment the legal rights are granted the adoptee can rightfully make contact with the adopter from another country and call him 'Father'. As can we from earth to heaven call our Adopter 'Abba, Father' until His Son from heaven comes to get us and takes us home then we will see our Father face to face.
 

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Thank you for taking the time to read this. I like your comment on verses 15&23.
Ken
 
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It is my greatest joy to consider the future hope of our eternal state but not only us who are awaiting our personal adoption. When the groaning of the present creation will stop. When it will be released an attended to by it's Creator Who subjected it to decay for a time. This planet and all the others our Creator designed, created and named. The hope that they will be fully completed as God initially imagined. Wow, what a fantastic hope we have. No wonder Paul was excited when he received this revelation through the Spirit.