Rupert Murdoch: All Muslims must be held responsible for French attacks

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We are supposed to favor & have "freedom of religion." But what about freedom of religion for those whose basic religion demands conquering the world and subduing with the sword those who will not convert?

I wonder if our whole Bill of Rights (USA) incorporated a big problem, by instituting oligarchy. By enumerating in a few words master laws which trump all other laws, the founders gave the SCOTUS the final power of legislation, for the Bill of Rights means only what the SCOTUS says it does for all practical purposes. And by implying that the people have "other rights" not enumerated & that those rights trump legislation, the SCOTUS becomes free to dream up any right it chooses to dream up & then strike down any law it wishes to nullify, while at the same time institutionalizing the dreamed-up rights. But I digress.

How should freedom of religion be modified to exclude Islamists?

It already is. You must practice your religion (a given secular right) at no detriment to another's secular rights.
 
Where exactly are all the murdering Christians...and I will support that they be stopped and condemn their actions in absolute terms! we are not living 200 hundred years ago...we are living now and we are responsible now for our actions and how we deal with evil in this world.

They are trying to trap you with a straw man argument.
 
They are trying to trap you with a straw man argument.


It is not a straw man argument.....
If you want to contend that all Muslims are guilty of what the Islamic radicalists who misuse that religion for their terrible acts of violence. Then you must consider yourself guilty for all the terribly acts that others have done in the name of Christianity. Just like those who preach a hate gospel toward others while standing on the street corners, spewing hate garbage at others for what they do. You are guilty for their actions, as they are doing it in the name of Christianity.
Sorry but that does not fly with me !!!
 
They are trying to trap you with a straw man argument.

My goodness, here we have another fine example of unrestricted paranoia. It's exceptionally weak to shut down a valid argument by crying victim. Trap you into what? Reason? Sense? Rational, logical thought?

Mitspa asserts every Muslim m is responsible for the crimes of the few. If that's the case, then it logically follows that the same can be applied to any number of people we can group together with a common trait. Remember that blonde guy Anders Brevik that shot all the people in that school? ALL BLONDE PEOPLE ARE MASS MURDERERS! Remember that cop on the news that killed the black kid? ALL COPS ARE BLACK MURDERERS! Remember that Inquisitiion that happened? ALL BIBLE BELIEVERS ARE TORTURING SADISTS!
 
My goodness, here we have another fine example of unrestricted paranoia. It's exceptionally weak to shut down a valid argument by crying victim. Trap you into what? Reason? Sense? Rational, logical thought?

Mitspa asserts every Muslim m is responsible for the crimes of the few. If that's the case, then it logically follows that the same can be applied to any number of people we can group together with a common trait. Remember that blonde guy Anders Brevik that shot all the people in that school? ALL BLONDE PEOPLE ARE MASS MURDERERS! Remember that cop on the news that killed the black kid? ALL COPS ARE BLACK MURDERERS! Remember that Inquisitiion that happened? ALL BIBLE BELIEVERS ARE TORTURING SADISTS!

You guys are bringing up the salem witch trials nazi germany and the green river killer while muslims are teaching their children to kill the 'zionists' with bomb belts TODAY. Pretty funny stuff really.
 
You guys are bringing up the salem witch trials nazi germany and the green river killer while muslims are teaching their children to kill the 'zionists' with bomb belts TODAY. Pretty funny stuff really.

No, Sirk. It isn't funny at all. It's funny to you because you care more about winning the forum's approval by making yourself look nonchalant in front of your friends than you do about actually making the world a better place. Only an absolute moron could think that blaming a billion people for the crimes of a few could ever work out well.

You'll no doubt reply some victim-mentality argument ''oh well no need to be so aggressive'' or ''you're showing yourself to be this or that right now, I refuse to discuss''. Petty, and besides the point. You're absolutely wrong to assume every Muslim is responsible for these crimes.
 
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No, Sirk. It isn't funny at all. It's funny to you because you care more about winning the forum's approval by making yourself look nonchalant in front of your friends than you do about actually making the world a better place. Only an absolute moron could think that blaming a billion people for the crimes of a few could ever work out well.

Your reasoning IS... pretty funny stuff really. I'm just guessing but having people who want to kill you over for tea to talk out your differences is gonna be a fruitless effort. I am however, not gonna resort to name calling or placing a stake in the moral high ground as you have done in your own mind.
 
Your reasoning IS... pretty funny stuff really. I'm just guessing but having people who want to kill you over for tea to talk out your differences is gonna be a fruitless effort. I am however, not gonna resort to name calling or placing a stake in the moral high ground as you have done in your own mind.

Good for you.
 
Yea well lets see if we can get them to show us this evil Christian strawman that we need to stop killing people TODAY?

They gotta go back 500 years to make their hole riddled reasoning bucket hold any water...and even then it gets empty.
 
It is not a straw man argument.....
If you want to contend that all Muslims are guilty of what the Islamic radicalists who misuse that religion for their terrible acts of violence. Then you must consider yourself guilty for all the terribly acts that others have done in the name of Christianity. Just like those who preach a hate gospel toward others while standing on the street corners, spewing hate garbage at others for what they do. You are guilty for their actions, as they are doing it in the name of Christianity.
Sorry but that does not fly with me !!!

No don't support in any way...anyone who does evil and if I knowingly allowed such things I would expect I would be held responsible for my support.
 
My goodness, here we have another fine example of unrestricted paranoia. It's exceptionally weak to shut down a valid argument by crying victim. Trap you into what? Reason? Sense? Rational, logical thought?

Mitspa asserts every Muslim m is responsible for the crimes of the few. If that's the case, then it logically follows that the same can be applied to any number of people we can group together with a common trait. Remember that blonde guy Anders Brevik that shot all the people in that school? ALL BLONDE PEOPLE ARE MASS MURDERERS! Remember that cop on the news that killed the black kid? ALL COPS ARE BLACK MURDERERS! Remember that Inquisitiion that happened? ALL BIBLE BELIEVERS ARE TORTURING SADISTS!

Oh yea your being very logical...where are they teaching blonde kids to kill people? Who is teaching the kids and giving them money to train? Who is dancing in the streets when they murder others...yes if they are such people we should for sure go after them. And stop them whatever it takes.
 
No don't support in any way...anyone who does evil and if I knowingly allowed such things I would expect I would be held responsible for my support.


Well you say you want to blame all Muslims for the acts of the Islamic radicalists.

Then you as a Christian need to take the blame and say you are just as guilty, as those who stand out on the street corners in groups holding signs bashing others and preaching a hate gospel in the name of Christianity.
 
Well you say you want to blame all Muslims for the acts of the Islamic radicalists.

Then you as a Christian need to take the blame and say you are just as guilty, as those who stand out on the street corners in groups holding signs bashing others and preaching a hate gospel in the name of Christianity.
I said we should treat these people and this movement the same way we did the Nazis...

and Im not guilty of supporting anyone who does such things in the name of anyone....Im a righteous man who upholds Gods ways and His justice against the evildoers of this world.
 
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Was all Germans responsible for the Nazis? No but they paid the price for allowing these monsters to continue... the so-called innocent muslims are as much responsible or more so for these fanatics as if we in America allow monsters to have power here.
How quick you are to condemn...No one is innocent, including you. War is not the answer, nor is hate, nor is blame. Those roads all lead to atrocity.
 
I said we should treat these people and this movement the same way we did the Nazis...

and Im not guilty of supporting anyone who does such things in the name of anyone....Im a righteous man who upholds Gods ways and His justice against the evildoers of this world.


Well then you do double talk again.
For you want to blame all of them, when not all of them are guilty. But when it comes to our own religion you don't want to take the blame for what other Christians have done wrongfully in the name of Christ.

So I see the blame game for you only works when you are doing it to others, and not when it is reversed back on you.
It doesn't work that way my brother, so sorry. You must take the blame of bad Christians, or not blame all Muslims.
 
good Muslim= bad person the Karan is a instruction manual on how to be mucked up
 
and please don't tell me It aint if u got no understanding on it please the good muslims and there are many are the ones tht blow the karan off
 
But this doesn't though:

Mohammed And the Unbelievers : a political life (Islamic trilogy series, v.1): Bill Warner, Cspi: 9780978552893: Amazon.com: Books

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^ No fluff in this one, just good old genocide, democide, raiding, torture, deception, slavery, assassinations, treachery, etc...

Hard to believe it all began with a poor orphan who's tribe rejected him for leadership because he was too weak and unbalanced which left him so disgruntled he retreated into a cave to sulk where in his self-pity the idea came to him to fabricate a false religious cult to change his fortunes... which would have gotten nowhere except the world is full of fools.


They gotta go back 500 years to make their hole riddled reasoning bucket hold any water...and even then it gets empty.