Rupert Murdoch: All Muslims must be held responsible for French attacks

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end of the day Mohammed was a man nothing more who only received revelation by allah wen he wore his 9year old wife clothes that is very strange !
 
wen I read a karan it puzzles me how it hasn't be noticed by the world
 
ThomistColin said:
How quick you are to condemn...No one is innocent, including you. War is not the answer, nor is hate, nor is blame. Those roads all lead to atrocity.
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So we just forsake justice? No you people don't understand the ways of God! Love don't allow the wicked to destroy the weak...love protects the weak and God has placed a sword of justice in the hands of men to bring justice upon such people.

Ro 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

This is God judgment against these criminals
 
Funny what I am seeing on this thread that the same people who go out of their way to condemn believing Christians ...are the same who go out of their way to approve and defend these killers? Demanding that they be given grace while they deny the grace that Christ has given to His people? Very odd?
 
Not if you understand how twisted the progressive mindset is. For example they advocate relativism and pluralism, yet hypocritically denounce their political opponents and Christianity in the strongest terms.

They malign the history of Christianity and misrepresent it as one long story of war, rape, and conquest (note: just because colonialism and Christianity both begin with the letter c doesn't mean they are the same thing) yet have no problem celebrating the world's most violent mainstream religion (though it is but a false religious cult fabricated by a disgruntled young man in a cave that had been barred from leadership by his tribe's elders) and ignore the fact that state atheism is the metaphysical worldview responsible for the world's greatest democide.

That’s not relativism. That's no pluralism. That's hypocritical judgmental in the extreme. But pointing this out simply leads to a denial followed by a diatribe denouncing their political opponents and Christianity proving my point. But progressives are relativistic when it comes to championing substandard cultures, at least.

This was highlighted perfectly by a progressive atheist anthropology professor I had in college who asked the class if someone would write a paper on the benefits of African witchcraft for their midterm. He, a black atheist progressive male, asserted that a witch doctor is as beneficial to society as a pastor and wanted to see if someone would write a paper for him proving it. I gave him an in-class debate taking the opposite view instead but that's neither here nor there. The point is, that in the mind of a progressive, a demonically possessed warlock seeking to curse people with sickness is as beneficial as a spirit-filled pastor praying for the healing of his parishioners. That's how far gone these people are.

They have no problem excusing a bloodthirsty society undergirded by pagan socio-religious doctrines that demanded sweeping genocide, human sacrifice en masse (even on a daily local and household level), and war for the purpose of enslavement of non-Aztecs which they trumpet as a "beautiful culture" on the one hand but on the other those Christians with their teachings of "love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control" are to be condemned in the strongest possible manner.

For example, it's the Christianized U.S. that championed liberty who was the root of the world's problems in the 20th century, in the twisted mind of the progressive, not the state atheist USSR that brought sweeping democide and severe persecution wherever they went... that is on the rare occasion you can manage to displace progressives from their denial to even discuss it.

But to answer your question, the answer is their relativism drives the quest for justification. in other words, since there is no way that Western culture can be superior to Middle Eastern cultures or any other culture for that matter or that Christianity can be true (in their minds just not reality that is), then there has to be a reason located outside the jihadists’ own worldview, beliefs, and pathologies.

Understand? The roots of jihad are never in Islam or in the pure nihilism of the jihadist but rather in the oppression or injustice he’s suffered at the hands of the Christianized West. Got it? You're responsible for Islamic terrorism in the minds of a progressive liberal. I'm being serious. That's how far gone they are. That's how detached they've become from reality. Ultimately, it's YOUR fault.

It's bizarre fallacious reasoning such as this that explain why progressives are driven to oppress their own countrymen in the name of removing oppression and one of the reasons why progressives have become among the world's greatest oppressors and violators of natural law most specifically in the right to free speech, the right to practice Christianity, the right to personal defense, etc... as they've gained political power over the past century in the West.

The progressive believes that the civilization we built, the triumph of Judeo-Christian values, is diseased and must be erased. If Islam can do their work for them, so be it. They mistakenly believe that they can wield Islam to destroy Christianity and that afterwards it will wither away leaving their atheistic, relativistic, Marxist paradise triumphant and in control of the world.

But they obviously aren't serious students of history. If they actually were, they'd know their strategy is doomed from the start and that if they pursue it too far they themselves will end up on the auction block as kafir's for sale. Well, those who manage to survive anyways.

https://themuslimissue.wordpress.co...million-non-muslim-slaves-of-all-skin-colors/


Mitspa said:
Funny what I am seeing on this thread that the same people who go out of their way to condemn believing Christians ...are the same who go out of their way to approve and defend these killers? Demanding that they be given grace while they deny the grace that Christ has given to His people? Very odd?
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Mitspa said:
Funny what I am seeing on this thread that the same people who go out of their way to condemn believing Christians ...are the same who go out of their way to approve and defend these killers? Demanding that they be given grace while they deny the grace that Christ has given to His people? Very odd?
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I do too, only I can kind of see both points. I think all they are trying to say it that you can't take a random Muslim from the street and say, "This French shooting is all your fault", unless you want to stand up and take responsibility for everything anyone who has ever called themselves Christian has ever done. In that light I do agree with them, but I see were you're coming from too. The biggest difference I see in these cases is that a "Christian" may take some lines out of the bible and warp them to support his violent stance, but this is what the Quran calls ALL Muslims to do, it’s what is taught. It's what they are commanded by Allah to do, and they truly think they are pleasing God when they do it. See the difference? That is why so many call for the destruction of Islam, because as long as it teaches such violence the problem will remain. It’s not the American Muslims that are the norm while there are extremist out there giving Islam a bad name, the extremist are the norm, and honestly many of the Muslims we may know and are “really nice people” here would be executed if they brought their liberal views to a real Muslim country. Now all that being said, I still don’t feel we can blame each individual Muslim for these acts, but I have NO problem at all Hanging the blame fully on Islam’s door, this is what Islam teaches. Read the Hadith as well, it’s all in there.
 
Jimbone said:
I do too, only I can kind of see both points. I think all they are trying to say it that you can't take a random Muslim from the street and say, "This French shooting is all your fault", unless you want to stand up and take responsibility for everything anyone who has ever called themselves Christian has ever done. In that light I do agree with them, but I see were you're coming from too. The biggest difference I see in these cases is that a "Christian" may take some lines out of the bible and warp them to support his violent stance, but this is what the Quran calls ALL Muslims to do, it’s what is taught. It's what they are commanded by Allah to do, and they truly think they are pleasing God when they do it. See the difference? That is why so many call for the destruction of Islam, because as long as it teaches such violence the problem will remain. It’s not the American Muslims that are the norm while there are extremist out there giving Islam a bad name, the extremist are the norm, and honestly many of the Muslims we may know and are “really nice people” here would be executed if they brought their liberal views to a real Muslim country. Now all that being said, I still don’t feel we can blame each individual Muslim for these acts, but I have NO problem at all Hanging the blame fully on Islam’s door, this is what Islam teaches. Read the Hadith as well, it’s all in there.
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What if that random person happened To be a French comedian who thought it justified and made jokes about it?
 
AgeofKnowledge said:
Not if you understand how twisted the progressive mindset is. For example they advocate relativism and pluralism, yet hypocritically denounce their political opponents and Christianity in the strongest terms.

They malign the history of Christianity and misrepresent it as one long story of war, rape, and conquest (note: just because colonialism and Christianity both begin with the letter c doesn't mean they are the same thing) yet have no problem celebrating the world's most violent mainstream religion (though it is but a false religious cult fabricated by a disgruntled young man in a cave that had been barred from leadership by his tribe's elders) and ignore the fact that state atheism is the metaphysical worldview responsible for the world's greatest democide.

That’s not relativism. That's no pluralism. That's hypocritical judgmental in the extreme. But pointing this out simply leads to a denial followed by a diatribe denouncing their political opponents and Christianity proving my point. But progressives are relativistic when it comes to championing substandard cultures, at least.

This was highlighted perfectly by a progressive atheist anthropology professor I had in college who asked the class if someone would write a paper on the benefits of African witchcraft for their midterm. He, a black atheist progressive male, asserted that a witch doctor is as beneficial to society as a pastor and wanted to see if someone would write a paper for him proving it. I gave him an in-class debate taking the opposite view instead but that's neither here nor there. The point is, that in the mind of a progressive, a demonically possessed warlock seeking to curse people with sickness is as beneficial as a spirit-filled pastor praying for the healing of his parishioners. That's how far gone these people are.

They have no problem excusing a bloodthirsty society undergirded by pagan socio-religious doctrines that demanded sweeping genocide, human sacrifice en masse (even on a daily local and household level), and war for the purpose of enslavement of non-Aztecs which they trumpet as a "beautiful culture" on the one hand but on the other those Christians with their teachings of "love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control" are to be condemned in the strongest possible manner.

For example, it's the Christianized U.S. that championed liberty who was the root of the world's problems in the 20th century, in the twisted mind of the progressive, not the state atheist USSR that brought sweeping democide and severe persecution wherever they went... that is on the rare occasion you can manage to displace progressives from their denial to even discuss it.

But to answer your question, the answer is their relativism drives the quest for justification. in other words, since there is no way that Western culture can be superior to Middle Eastern cultures or any other culture for that matter or that Christianity can be true (in their minds just not reality that is), then there has to be a reason located outside the jihadists’ own worldview, beliefs, and pathologies.

Understand? The roots of jihad are never in Islam or in the pure nihilism of the jihadist but rather in the oppression or injustice he’s suffered at the hands of the Christianized West. Got it? You're responsible for Islamic terrorism in the minds of a progressive liberal. I'm being serious. That's how far gone they are. That's how detached they've become from reality. Ultimately, it's YOUR fault.

It's bizarre fallacious reasoning such as this that explain why progressives are driven to oppress their own countrymen in the name of removing oppression and one of the reasons why progressives have become among the world's greatest oppressors and violators of natural law most specifically in the right to free speech, the right to practice Christianity, the right to personal defense, etc... as they've gained political power over the past century in the West.

The progressive believes that the civilization we built, the triumph of Judeo-Christian values, is diseased and must be erased. If Islam can do their work for them, so be it. They mistakenly believe that they can wield Islam to destroy Christianity and that afterwards it will wither away leaving their atheistic, relativistic, Marxist paradise triumphant and in control of the world.

But they obviously aren't serious students of history. If they actually were, they'd know their strategy is doomed from the start and that if they pursue it too far they themselves will end up on the auction block as kafir's for sale. Well, those who manage to survive anyways.

https://themuslimissue.wordpress.co...million-non-muslim-slaves-of-all-skin-colors/
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Wow...Age...when I see a great mind that God has given His wisdom, I am always encouraged that He is at work in His people and will always uphold the righteous.... Thanks for the post and I agree with every word.
 
Jimbone said:
I do too, only I can kind of see both points. I think all they are trying to say it that you can't take a random Muslim from the street and say, "This French shooting is all your fault", unless you want to stand up and take responsibility for everything anyone who has ever called themselves Christian has ever done. In that light I do agree with them, but I see were you're coming from too. The biggest difference I see in these cases is that a "Christian" may take some lines out of the bible and warp them to support his violent stance, but this is what the Quran calls ALL Muslims to do, it’s what is taught. It's what they are commanded by Allah to do, and they truly think they are pleasing God when they do it. See the difference? That is why so many call for the destruction of Islam, because as long as it teaches such violence the problem will remain. It’s not the American Muslims that are the norm while there are extremist out there giving Islam a bad name, the extremist are the norm, and honestly many of the Muslims we may know and are “really nice people” here would be executed if they brought their liberal views to a real Muslim country. Now all that being said, I still don’t feel we can blame each individual Muslim for these acts, but I have NO problem at all Hanging the blame fully on Islam’s door, this is what Islam teaches. Read the Hadith as well, it’s all in there.
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Ok Jimbone you sound reasonable...but the fact is that no real Christians are teaching others to murder and rape...but that's exactly what true islam is doing! And we didn't say oh there some nice people in Germany therefore we cant defend ourselves from the Nazis! There is absolutely no difference between islam and Nazism ...and pointing to the fact that England used to tax our tea has nothing to do with the fact that these people need to be stopped and this religion of murder needs to be called what it is.
 
Mitspa said:
Ok Jimbone you sound reasonable...but the fact is that no real Christians are teaching others to murder and rape...but that's exactly what true islam is doing! And we didn't say oh there some nice people in Germany therefore we cant defend ourselves from the Nazis! There is absolutely no difference between islam and Nazism ...and pointing to the fact that England used to tax our tea has nothing to do with the fact that these people need to be stopped and this religion of murder needs to be called what it is.
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I agree, I'm not sure what I wrote that was perceived different from what you just said, but this is exactly what I was saying.

I don’t feel I can blame Mimar down the street for this act. I can however blame Islam as a whole for teaching this hatred. There’s a difference. So I agree that Islam has to be removed for any hope of its teachings to disappear, but I don’t feel walking down my street with a gun and shooting Mimar, just because I put the blame on him for everything his religion does is very rational. Yes they belong to a hateful, violent, and destructive false religion but why? Most are just born into it and are raised with no choice in the matter, if they are caught even thinking of entertaining any other religion they are in danger of their own community, or even family killing them. That is why “I” feel we can’t hold EVERY Muslim on earth equally responsible for these acts, while I would hold ALL of Islam responsible. Does that make more sense?
 
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Jimbone said:
I agree, I'm not sure what I wrote that was perceived different from what you just said, but this is exactly what I was saying.

I don’t feel I can blame Mimar down the street for this act. I can however blame Islam as a whole for teaching this hatred. There’s a difference. So I agree that Islam has to be removed for any hope of its teachings to disappear, but I don’t feel walking down my street with a gun and shooting Mimar, just because I put the blame on him for everything his religion does is very rational. Yes they belong to a hateful, violent, and destructive false religion but why? Most are just born into it and are raised with no choice in the matter, if they are caught even thinking of entertaining any other religion they are in danger of their own community, or even family killing them. That is why “I” feel we can’t hold EVERY Muslim on earth equally responsible for these acts, while I would hold ALL of Islam responsible. Does that make more sense?
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Maybe we should see that much like the people in Germany , the people in Islam are enslaved by fear to these people who promote murder and death...For heavens sake these people teach to kill your own children if they deny this evil religion...If we stand up to this nonsense and call this religion what it is and start to defeat this evil system...then we are not attacking innocent people but giving them the courage and support to walk away from this nonsense. If in fact they are really good people in islam they will recognize what is good and what is evil...to this point very few seem too afraid or unable to do what is right?
 
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AgeofKnowledge said:
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So peace is really you submit to islam.... and justice is everyone is under Islamic law...no wonder folks don't understand why they dance in the streets when they kill us.
 
Pretty hard to argue with facts:


The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim
The Beltway Snipers were Muslims
The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim
The underwear Bomber was a Muslim
The U-S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims
The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims
The Bafi Nightclub Bombers were Muslims
The London Subway Bombers were Muslims
The Moscow Theatre Attackers were Muslims
The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims
The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Muslims
The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims
The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims
The Beirut U.S. Embassy bombers were Muslims
The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Musiims
The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Muslims
The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Muslims
The Kenyan U.S, Embassy Bombers were Muslims
The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers were Muslims
The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers were Muslims
The Besian Russian School Attackers were Muslims
The first World Trade Center Bombers were Muslims
The Bombay & Mumbai India Attackers were Muslims
The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Muslims
The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers were Muslims'

Think of it:

Buddhists living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Christians = No Problem
Hindus living with Jews = No Problem
Christians living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Confucians = No Problem
Confusians living with Baha'is = No Problem
Baha'is living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Sikhs = No Problem
Sikhs living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Baha'is = No Problem
Baha'is living with Christians = No Problem
Christians living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Confucians = No Problem
Confusians living with Hindus = No Problem

Muslims living with Hindus = Problem
Muslims living with Buddhists = Problem
Muslims living with Christians = Problem
Muslims living with Jews = Problem
Muslims living with Sikhs = Problem
Muslims living with Baha'is = Problem
Muslims living with Shintos = Problem
Muslims living with Atheists = Problem
MUSLIMS LIVING WITH MUSLIMS = BIG PROBLEM

**********SO THIS LEAD TO *****************
They’re not happy in Gaza
They're not happy in Egypt
They're not happy in Libya
They're not happy in Morocco
They're not happy in Iran
They're not happy in Iraq
They're not happy in Yemen
They're not happy in Afghanistan
They're not happy in Pakistan
They're not happy in Syria
They're not happy in Lebanon
They're not happy in Nigeria
They're not happy in Kenya
They're not happy in Sudan

******** So, where are they happy? **********
They're happy in Australia
They're happy in England
They're happy in Belgium
They're happy in France
They're happy in Italy
They're happy in Germany
They're happy in Sweden
They're happy in the USA & Canada
They're happy in Norway & India
They're happy in almost every country that is not Islamic! And who do they blame? Not Islam... Not their leadership... Not themselves... THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!! And they want to change the countries they're happy in, to be like the countries they came from where they were unhappy and finally they will be get hammered
!!!!

Islamic Jihad: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
ISIS: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Qaeda: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Taliban: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Hamas: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Hezbollah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Boko Haram: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Nusra: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Abu Sayyaf: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Badr: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Muslim Brotherhood: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Lashkar-e-Taiba: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Palestine Liberation Front: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Ansaru: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Jemaah Islamiyah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Abdullah Azzam Brigades: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
AND A LOT MORE!!!!!!!
 
Sirk said:
Pretty hard to argue with facts:
The Beltway Snipers were Muslims

Hindus living with Christians = No Problem
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These two are not true.

The Beltway Snipers were Muslim in name only, literally. This was a disgusting sexually perverse couple who committed these crimes.

Hindus are right now trying to drive Christianity out of India. Read about the Orissa province, the burning of churches, the murder of a father and his two children, and the rape of a nun.
 
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