Ryan Walters wants taxpayers to buy Bibles for Oklahoma classrooms

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ResidentAlien said:
I haven't read that book, but from what I know, many of the founders were influenced by principles of morality from the Bible. But principles of morality are a long way from endorsing a certain religion.
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Yep, the founding fathers made it abundantly clear that religion and government are to be separate
 
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Yep, the founding fathers made it abundantly clear that religion and government are to be separate
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No they absolutely did not make that clear. What they did make clear is that religion and the federal government are to be separate. They say absolutely nothing about State governments being separate from religion.

Did anyone ever complain about other religious books being in school libraries? How about books on magic or the occult?

Are any of those on this thread making a big deal of this residents and tax payers in Oklahoma? If not it is truly none of your business what Oklahoma wants to do on this issue.
 
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I have no problem with Bibles in schools. If they're in the library, or if students want to bring them to school or pray in school, that's their business. What I have a problem with is someone like Walters mandating that the Bible must be taught and using public funds to do it. Besides that, he's going above and beyond his authority by ignoring the Oklahoma state constitution and the rules of the Oklahoma school system. If he gets away with this, what will he do next?

Walters has repeated over and over that he was given a mandate by Oklahoma voters to reform the school system. I wonder if these voters understood he was planning to violate the state constitution and Oklahoma's school system policies to do it. Only until recently, he didn't even allow the press to attend state department of education meetings; until he was forced to by the court.

I'm all for Walters if he wants to reform Oklahoma's schools. But he has to understand he's not a cowboy and can't just rush in and do whatever he wants. He has to follow the rules like everyone else; or get the rules changed if he can.
 
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I have no problem with Bibles in schools. If they're in the library, or if students want to bring them to school or pray in school, that's their business. What I have a problem with is someone like Walters mandating that the Bible must be taught and using public funds to do it. Besides that, he's going above and beyond his authority by ignoring the Oklahoma state constitution and the rules of the Oklahoma school system. If he gets away with this, what will he do next?

Walters has repeated over and over that he was given a mandate by Oklahoma voters to reform the school system. I wonder if these voters understood he was planning to violate the state constitution and Oklahoma's school system policies to do it. Only until recently, he didn't even allow the press to attend state department of education meetings; until he was forced to by the court.

I'm all for Walters if he wants to reform Oklahoma's schools. But he has to understand he's not a cowboy and can't just rush in and do whatever he wants. He has to follow the rules like everyone else; or get the rules changed if he can.
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So let the governor know at the next election, I assume you live in Oklahoma.
 
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Oklahoma ranks 49th in education so there's that
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Great point. I might be a more sympathetic toward Walters if he seemed the least bit concerned about how he might help the kids of Oklahoma get a better education. It's parents' job to teach religion and patriotism to their children if that's what they want; it's his job to make sure they have a good enough education to succeed.
 
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Great point. I might be a more sympathetic toward Walters if he seemed the least bit concerned about how he might help the kids of Oklahoma get a better education. It's parents' job to teach religion and patriotism to their children if that's what they want; it's his job to make sure they have a good enough education to succeed.
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I have listened to him directly at an event I went to and that is what he is concerned with. I doubt you know anything about him or what he is doing.
 
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" before we hire you, we need you to demonstrate your Bible knowledge*
Said no employer ever
 
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ResidentAlien said:
I have no problem with Bibles in schools. If they're in the library, or if students want to bring them to school or pray in school, that's their business. What I have a problem with is someone like Walters mandating that the Bible must be taught and using public funds to do it. Besides that, he's going above and beyond his authority by ignoring the Oklahoma state constitution and the rules of the Oklahoma school system. If he gets away with this, what will he do next?

Walters has repeated over and over that he was given a mandate by Oklahoma voters to reform the school system. I wonder if these voters understood he was planning to violate the state constitution and Oklahoma's school system policies to do it. Only until recently, he didn't even allow the press to attend state department of education meetings; until he was forced to by the court.

I'm all for Walters if he wants to reform Oklahoma's schools. But he has to understand he's not a cowboy and can't just rush in and do whatever he wants. He has to follow the rules like everyone else; or get the rules changed if he can.
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"I have no problem with Bibles in schools. If they're in the library, or if students want to bring them to school or pray in school, that's their business."

Your post says differently.
 
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"I have no problem with Bibles in schools. If they're in the library, or if students want to bring them to school or pray in school, that's their business."

Your post says differently.
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Yeah. He said if a kid wants to bring a Bible to school then that's his constitutional right But making it mandatory is a massive overreach of authority
 
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Dude653 said:
Yeah. He said if a kid wants to bring a Bible to school then that's his constitutional right But making it mandatory is a massive overreach of authority
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Mandatory? That's not what the proposal proposes.
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Yes. It's mandatory. Any teacher who doesn't comply will be terminated
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In 2010 the Governor of Oklahoma signed a bill into law that allows for Biblical instruction in public schools.
https://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=460976
 
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