Sabbath or Sunday which one is for the true followers of Chirst?

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It's been my experience from being part of a Saturday Sabbath church (Worldwide Church of God) that Sabbatarians often think they are better than non Sabbatarians, and often accuse the non Sabbatarians of not being saved at all..because the Sabbatarians think they are more faithful to God than non Sabbatarians.

And the same is true with how the non-Sabbatarians view those who do keep the Sabbath. Somehow, if we observe the Sabbath and the Law, we are not saved because we're negating gracious salvation. Not all, but some. And I would say it's the same percentage on both sides that incorrectly label the other.

I would ask them to look at the practice of the New Testament Church....what was the practice of the New Testament church? There's no better place to look than Acts.

Here, we can see that the New Testament church worshipped EVERY DAY...

Acts 2:[SUP]42 [/SUP]And they devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers. [SUP]43 [/SUP]And awe[SUP][e][/SUP] came upon every soul, and many wonders and signs were being done through the apostles. [SUP]44 [/SUP]And all who believed were together and had all things in common. [SUP]45 [/SUP]And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need. [SUP]46 [/SUP]And day by day, attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes, they received their food with glad and generous hearts, [SUP]47 [/SUP]praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to their number day by day those who were being saved.

Here we can see that the New Testament church worshipped EVERY DAY.

Certainly the apostles went to synagogue on Saturday after the resurrection, but this was because it was a good place to engage unsaved Jewish believers. They themselves were Jews as well, and their history was wrapped around the Jewish tradition. And, there was nothing wrong with them attending synagogue on Saturday, as Romans 14 gives Christians the liberality to observe whatever day they want.

All Christians, both Law-keepers and non should be worshipping every day and getting into church or fellowship as often as they can. But God set apart the Sabbath as different than the rest of the week. The Levites were always ministering, there was always worshipping no matter the day. But God still set the Sabbath apart as unique.

As the church became more Gentile, since the Jews largely refused the gospel, the day migrated to Sunday in honor of the resurrection of Jesus Christ. The focus of Christianity is, after all, Christ and him crucified, and raised from the dead.

I agree, and the Sabbath-keepers in this forum will agree with you. And I would venture to say the majority of Sabbath keepers everywhere would agree as well.

As an additional note, many who insist that the Sabbath still applies are implicitly stating that they are more righteous than other Christians who don't. Some even consider others who don't keep the Sabbath of being unsaved, as they are breaking God's commandments. They won't generally come right out and tell their other Christian friends that, but it is very much a part of the whole mindset. I know as I was a Sabbatarian and I believed that anyone who didn't keep the Saturday Sabbath was a pagan. My feelings on that were not unique.

Those attitudes might not have been unique, but they aren't the majority by any means. And as I mentioned before, I've seen just as many non-Sabbath keepers consider themselves more righteous because they don't need to follow the commandments because they're saved by grace. Again, it's a 2-way street

Being a Sabbatarian for me meant that God's grace was not the focus of my beliefs. I was caught up in works oriented salvation. I did not believe that I was saved by grace through faith alone in Jesus Christ alone. I did not have assurance of my salvation, as I thought my behavior would cause me to lose my salvation. The focus was not on Jesus Christ; it was on me and my works. And, those works were not on greater things such as "love one another"...which is the law of Christ..but they were on my pathetic works such as keeping the Sabbath, the holy days of Leviticus 23, tithing, and the clean/unclean meats laws. If such legalistic thinking is your major focus, then you don't really have a good relationship with the person of Jesus Christ..you have a relationship with the law. Scripture plainly teaches that no one will be justified by keeping the law...it is all by grace through faith.

I encourage any such individual to read the book by RC Sproul called Faith Alone. It explains exactly what it means to be saved by grace through faith alone, and why the Reformation was so important.

And as you can see now, that was erroneous thinking on your part. And those that get caught up in that mindset are erroneous in their thinking. What needs to be remembered though, is that attitude is not the mindset of God, nor was it when he gave the Law. The Law was never given to overshadow God's mercy and gracious salvation. It is man who got their priorities out of whack.

Just because we mess up what God gave us, doesn't mean we get rid of what God gave us.

So that my remarks are not misinterpreted, I believe that God desires us to be obedient. RC Sproul believes this too. Most Christians believe this. The issue is, be obedient to what? The Old Covenant or the New Covenant? The New Covenant obviously. Does the New Covenant include the Sabbath?

Yes it does. The New Covenant includes the teachings and instructions of the Old. Obviously the sacrifices and atonements are taken care of with Jesus' death, but the practical instructions and morals of the Old are still applicable. That's is why Jesus told His disciples to follow and teach the Law (Matt 5:19). That is why He told them to do what the Pharisees said, not what they did (Matt 23:3). He knew the Pharisees had their priorities out of whack physically. But He also knew they were teaching God's instructions.

And..if you believe the Sabbath is required of Christians, are you being consistent with the verses you use to justify your position? Let's try this one..

Colossians 2: [SUP]16 [/SUP]Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. [SUP]17 [/SUP]These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.

For the most part, yes. But on the flip side, are non-Sabbath keepers being consistent and not passing judgment on those who do keep the feasts?

Be aware that all of the broad generalizations that you are making about Sabbath Keepers and their motives are very identical to the non-Sabbath keepers, but on the opposite end of the spectrum.

Two questions:

1) If you use this verse to justify your position that Christians should keep the Saturday Sabbath, then you must also observe festivals and new moons. Do you do so, or are you only picking and choosing what you want? With my church, they never observed new moons..I doubt most knew anything about them.

Our church does. We physically and intentionally observe all of the Biblical Feast days and the New Moons.

2) Do you read this verse in context? Do you read the verses before and after the verse? What it says is that these things were shadows of the reality, which is Jesus Christ. Why worship the shadow when you have the reality? We have Jesus Christ now, and can worship Him.

If someone is "worshiping the Feast days, they're out of line. But there is nothing contradictory in observing them while worshiping God. The shadow of the sun obviously not the sun itself, but it does serve a purpose, and we are thankful for it. The "shadows" can remind us of the truth. But if the shadow's are faulty, why do folks celebrate Easter or Christmas? Aren't those "shadows"? Why have a sunrise service? He's already risen. We don't need to celebrate it anymore.

The Sabbath pointed to Jesus Christ as your spiritual rest from works. The mindset of those who kept the law was that they were seeking their justification, their right standing, before God through observing the Law. When Jesus Christ came to die on a cross, he fully paid the cost for our sin. When we realize the depths of our sin, and asked God to forgive them and to apply the shed blood of Jesus Christ to them, we were given right standing before God. We were clothed in the robes of Christ's righteousness. When God looks at us, he sees us clean and pure. We trade our sin for Christ's righteousness in this great exchange that occurs at conversion.

Jesus is our spiritual rest, and in that way He is our Sabbath..worship the Reality and not the shadow.

Warm regards,

Robert

Again, if people are seeking justification/salvation through their works, they are in error. But what was God's intention behind the Law? The Sabbath? Did they have anything to do with justification? They didn't. And again, just because man has messed up the application of the Law, doesn't mean God's instruction for it is faulty.

So in summary:
The Law was never meant to justify. Its always been by grace.
If anyone is seeking salvation through the Law, they are wrong. It is only by grace.
They Law provides practical instruction on how to live a life that worships God. They Holy Spirit helps us with that.
Jesus taught His disciples to follow it and teach others to do so. We should follow His example.

Final re-emphasis: If anyone is seeking salvation through the Law, they are wrong. It is only by grace.
 
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ISAIAH 66:22-23-24.

For as the 'new heavens' and the 'new earth', which I will make, shall remain before Me, saith The Lord,
so shall your seed and your name remain.

And it shall come to pass that from 'one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another;
shall all flesh come to worship before Me, saith The Lord.

And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against Me:
for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched;
and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

MATTHEW 5:18.

For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, 'one jot or one tittle' shall in no wise pass
from the Law, till all be fulfilled.
 
I encourage any such individual to read the book by RC Sproul called Faith Alone. It explains exactly what it means to be saved by grace through faith alone, and why the Reformation was so important.

I, personally, would recommend that you read the Bible instead.

So that my remarks are not misinterpreted, I believe that God desires us to be obedient. RC Sproul believes this too. Most Christians believe this. The issue is, be obedient to what? The Old Covenant or the New Covenant? The New Covenant obviously. Does the New Covenant include the Sabbath?

Well does it? Or did Jesus Christ lie when He said things like...

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Luk 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

Luk 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.




And..if you believe the Sabbath is required of Christians, are you being consistent with the verses you use to justify your position? Let's try this one..

Colossians 2: [SUP]16 [/SUP]Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. [SUP]17 [/SUP]These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.

Two questions:

1) If you use this verse to justify your position that Christians should keep the Saturday Sabbath, then you must also observe festivals and new moons. Do you do so, or are you only picking and choosing what you want? With my church, they never observed new moons..I doubt most knew anything about them.

Really? You have forgotten the Feast Days already? As far as New Moons, speak for yourself.


2) Do you read this verse in context? Do you read the verses before and after the verse? What it says is that these things were shadows of the reality, which is Jesus Christ. Why worship the shadow when you have the reality? We have Jesus Christ now, and can worship Him.

Hmmm, so you have jettisoned the understanding of the Millenium? You no longer believe that the seventh day Sabbath is the shadow or type of the Millenial reign of Christ? Joe and Mike have convinced you that you will go to heaven instead?

The Sabbath pointed to Jesus Christ as your spiritual rest from works.

How about some scriptures that prove that?

The mindset of those who kept the law was that they were seeking their justification, their right standing, before God through observing the Law.

That is the classic definition of judging. You don't know what is in my heart but you make a blanket statement that I believe that Law keeping will justify me. I believe NO SUCH THING.

When Jesus Christ came to die on a cross, he fully paid the cost for our sin. When we realize the depths of our sin, and asked God to forgive them and to apply the shed blood of Jesus Christ to them, we were given right standing before God. We were clothed in the robes of Christ's righteousness. When God looks at us, he sees us clean and pure. We trade our sin for Christ's righteousness in this great exchange that occurs at conversion.

Jesus is our spiritual rest, and in that way He is our Sabbath..worship the Reality and not the shadow.

Warm regards,

Robert

What He really sees is sons and daughters that have been redeemed from the penalty of sin by Christ's sacrifice.
 
ISAIAH 66:22-23-24.

For as the 'new heavens' and the 'new earth', which I will make, shall remain before Me, saith The Lord,
so shall your seed and your name remain.

And it shall come to pass that from 'one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another;
shall all flesh come to worship before Me, saith The Lord.

And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against Me:
for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched;
and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

MATTHEW 5:18.

For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, 'one jot or one tittle' shall in no wise pass
from the Law, till all be fulfilled.
They are commanded to but they have the freedom not to. They would simply miss the blessings. However, there might be a different interpretation on Zechariah 14:16-19
Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, they will have no rain. If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain. The Lord will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.
 
They are commanded to but they have the freedom not to. They would simply miss the blessings. However, there might be a different interpretation on Zechariah 14:16-19
Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, they will have no rain. If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain. The Lord will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.

So what do you think? Did God do away with His Feast Days?
 
They are commanded to but they have the freedom not to. They would simply miss the blessings. However, there might be a different interpretation on Zechariah 14:16-19
Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, they will have no rain. If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain. The Lord will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.
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chubbena,

no rain is literally a death sentence to the land and everyone in it.
a stern punishment and judgment.
 
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chubbena,

no rain is literally a death sentence to the land and everyone in it.
a stern punishment and judgment.
If they eventually realized that they could come to Jerusalem to beg for water which flows abundantly, couldn't they? They could come to beg for the fruits on the trees which could heal their inflictions, couldn't they? I'm not sure...
 
"You Americans?" But you are an American? What have I missed here? I got a lot of flack from certain Europeans for answering the question of my nationality as American. That was in 1968, and since I have been very specific on that point. God bless you always C.

Did you Americans do away with July 4 or are you still under bondage that you have to celebrate it? :)
 
"You Americans?" But you are an American? What have I missed here? I got a lot of flack from certain Europeans for answering the question of my nationality as American. That was in 1968, and since I have been very specific on that point. God bless you always C.
We are the sister Sodom... Yes I'm Canadian :)
 
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"You Americans?" But you are an American? What have I missed here? I got a lot of flack from certain Europeans for answering the question of my nationality as American. That was in 1968, and since I have been very specific on that point. God bless you always C.
Unfortunately it is probably the same today as in 1968 eh? What have my brothers done?
 
Actually, I believe that you, Britain, Australia and New Zealand are brother Ephraim, we being Manasseh.
I'm at most a grafted in Ephraim if you know what I mean.....every time I spoke about my nationality The Last Resort by the Eagles come to mind. I wish it's the book of Joshua but no, unfortunately not.
 
And the same is true with how the non-Sabbatarians view those who do keep the Sabbath. Somehow, if we observe the Sabbath and the Law, we are not saved because we're negating gracious salvation. Not all, but some. And I would say it's the same percentage on both sides that incorrectly label the other.



All Christians, both Law-keepers and non should be worshipping every day and getting into church or fellowship as often as they can. But God set apart the Sabbath as different than the rest of the week. The Levites were always ministering, there was always worshipping no matter the day. But God still set the Sabbath apart as unique.



I agree, and the Sabbath-keepers in this forum will agree with you. And I would venture to say the majority of Sabbath keepers everywhere would agree as well.



Those attitudes might not have been unique, but they aren't the majority by any means. And as I mentioned before, I've seen just as many non-Sabbath keepers consider themselves more righteous because they don't need to follow the commandments because they're saved by grace. Again, it's a 2-way street



And as you can see now, that was erroneous thinking on your part. And those that get caught up in that mindset are erroneous in their thinking. What needs to be remembered though, is that attitude is not the mindset of God, nor was it when he gave the Law. The Law was never given to overshadow God's mercy and gracious salvation. It is man who got their priorities out of whack.

Just because we mess up what God gave us, doesn't mean we get rid of what God gave us.



Yes it does. The New Covenant includes the teachings and instructions of the Old. Obviously the sacrifices and atonements are taken care of with Jesus' death, but the practical instructions and morals of the Old are still applicable. That's is why Jesus told His disciples to follow and teach the Law (Matt 5:19). That is why He told them to do what the Pharisees said, not what they did (Matt 23:3). He knew the Pharisees had their priorities out of whack physically. But He also knew they were teaching God's instructions.



For the most part, yes. But on the flip side, are non-Sabbath keepers being consistent and not passing judgment on those who do keep the feasts?

Be aware that all of the broad generalizations that you are making about Sabbath Keepers and their motives are very identical to the non-Sabbath keepers, but on the opposite end of the spectrum.



Our church does. We physically and intentionally observe all of the Biblical Feast days and the New Moons.



If someone is "worshiping the Feast days, they're out of line. But there is nothing contradictory in observing them while worshiping God. The shadow of the sun obviously not the sun itself, but it does serve a purpose, and we are thankful for it. The "shadows" can remind us of the truth. But if the shadow's are faulty, why do folks celebrate Easter or Christmas? Aren't those "shadows"? Why have a sunrise service? He's already risen. We don't need to celebrate it anymore.



Again, if people are seeking justification/salvation through their works, they are in error. But what was God's intention behind the Law? The Sabbath? Did they have anything to do with justification? They didn't. And again, just because man has messed up the application of the Law, doesn't mean God's instruction for it is faulty.

So in summary:
The Law was never meant to justify. Its always been by grace.
If anyone is seeking salvation through the Law, they are wrong. It is only by grace.
They Law provides practical instruction on how to live a life that worships God. They Holy Spirit helps us with that.
Jesus taught His disciples to follow it and teach others to do so. We should follow His example.

Final re-emphasis: If anyone is seeking salvation through the Law, they are wrong. It is only by grace.

With regards to your remarks, if someone chooses to observe the Sabbath or annual festivals to God, and doesn't condemn other believers for not doing so, and don't try to teach it as a requirement for salvation, I have no issue with it. It's the segment which claims it is a requirement, and that those who don't observe these days are unsaved, that are a problem.
 
I, personally, would recommend that you read the Bible instead.

This is a demeaning, insulting remark...and a false accusation in fact. I have read the Bible several times. I also read other books written by great men of God. Are you saying that you never read good books by great Christian authors?

Since your remarks indicate a familiarity with Worldwide Church of God and the false teachings of this cult, I am assuming you are thoroughly indoctrinated in Armstrongism. If you are like me, you read tons of booklets and books written by Herbert Armstrong, as well as Bible correspondence courses which have thoroughly indoctrinated you in WCG teachings. Why would you have a problem with me suggesting a book that others might benefit from?


Really? You have forgotten the Feast Days already? As far as New Moons, speak for yourself.

I can still list them and the meanings that have been assigned to them by my former cult. Part of their information may have been correct. All of Scripture is profitable. Does that mean I need to observe them? No more than I need to make animal sacrifices to know that they were a type of Jesus' sacrifice.

Hmmm, so you have jettisoned the understanding of the Millenium? You no longer believe that the seventh day Sabbath is the shadow or type of the Millenial reign of Christ? Joe and Mike have convinced you that you will go to heaven instead?

Sorry..are you a disciple of Herbert Armstrong? I don't attend WCG anymore by the way. But, thank God that Joe Tkach and Mike Feazel had the honor to teach the truth to the membership of WCG, and to liberate them from heretical doctrine, instead of continuing to fleece the sheep and proclaim a false gospel that de-emphasized Jesus Christ and the cross.

Do you still believe the following heresies? Are the people on this discussion thread aware of your perspective in this regard?

1. Denial of the truths of the Trinity...teaching that the Holy Spirit is not a Person and that God the Father and Jesus Christ
are separate Beings
2. The belief that mankind will become a member of the God family, and the teaching that Christians are to become perfect
in the flesh until they are born into the Kingdom at the resurrection.
3. Denial of the Christianity of all believers who don't keep the Sabbath, claiming that all believers but Armstrongites are
blinded spiritually and cannot understand Scripture.
4. Herbert Armstrong was an apostle who restored the true gospel to Earth after being untaught for 2000 years, and was
God's sole representative on Earth during his ministry.
5. A distorted view of eschatology which included British American Israelitism...accompanied by an "evangelist" who went
around to the churches teaching other ridiculous claims which have since been proven totally false..basically writing
Herbert Armstrong and other church leaders into the events of Revelation
6. A virtual universal salvation teaching which claims that just about everyone will be saved eventually, despite the clear
teaching of Scripture.
7. A bad view of healing that implied that those who did not receive healing were lacking in faith.
8. A view of grace which was demeaning to God....grace was rarely discussed, except in the context of an argument about
grace and works...a very works oriented theology..

I personally am ashamed that I believed all this bad doctrine, and I thank God that he used Joe Tkach Sr. and Jr. and Mike Feazel to correct massive doctrinal error that wrecked the lives of many.

Robert
 
I, personally, would recommend that you read the Bible instead.



Well does it? Or did Jesus Christ lie when He said things like...

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Luk 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

Luk 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.






Really? You have forgotten the Feast Days already? As far as New Moons, speak for yourself.




Hmmm, so you have jettisoned the understanding of the Millenium? You no longer believe that the seventh day Sabbath is the shadow or type of the Millenial reign of Christ? Joe and Mike have convinced you that you will go to heaven instead?



How about some scriptures that prove that?



That is the classic definition of judging. You don't know what is in my heart but you make a blanket statement that I believe that Law keeping will justify me. I believe NO SUCH THING.



What He really sees is sons and daughters that have been redeemed from the penalty of sin by Christ's sacrifice.

QUOTE=john832;1569588]I, personally, would recommend that you read the Bible instead.

This is a demeaning, insulting remark...and a false accusation in fact. I have read the Bible several times. I also read other books written by great men of God. Are you saying that you never read good books by great Christian authors?

Since your remarks indicate a familiarity with Worldwide Church of God and the false teachings of this cult, I am assuming you are thoroughly indoctrinated in Armstrongism. If you are like me, you read tons of booklets and books written by Herbert Armstrong, as well as Bible correspondence courses which have thoroughly indoctrinated you in WCG teachings. Why would you have a problem with me suggesting a book that others might benefit from?


Really? You have forgotten the Feast Days already? As far as New Moons, speak for yourself.

I can still list them and the meanings that have been assigned to them by my former cult. Part of their information may have been correct. All of Scripture is profitable. Does that mean I need to observe them? No more than I need to make animal sacrifices to know that they were a type of Jesus' sacrifice.

Hmmm, so you have jettisoned the understanding of the Millenium? You no longer believe that the seventh day Sabbath is the shadow or type of the Millenial reign of Christ? Joe and Mike have convinced you that you will go to heaven instead?

Sorry..are you a disciple of Herbert Armstrong? I don't attend WCG anymore by the way. But, thank God that Joe Tkach and Mike Feazel had the honor to teach the truth to the membership of WCG, and to liberate them from heretical doctrine, instead of continuing to fleece the sheep and proclaim a false gospel that de-emphasized Jesus Christ and the cross.

Do you still believe the following heresies? Are the people on this discussion thread aware of your perspective in this regard?

1. Denial of the truths of the Trinity...teaching that the Holy Spirit is not a Person and that God the Father and Jesus Christ
are separate Beings
2. The belief that mankind will become a member of the God family, and the teaching that Christians are to become perfect
in the flesh until they are born into the Kingdom at the resurrection.
3. Denial of the Christianity of all believers who don't keep the Sabbath, claiming that all believers but Armstrongites are
blinded spiritually and cannot understand Scripture.
4. Herbert Armstrong was an apostle who restored the true gospel to Earth after being untaught for 2000 years, and was
God's sole representative on Earth during his ministry.
5. A distorted view of eschatology which included British American Israelitism...accompanied by an "evangelist" who went
around to the churches teaching other ridiculous claims which have since been proven totally false..basically writing
Herbert Armstrong and other church leaders into the events of Revelation
6. A virtual universal salvation teaching which claims that just about everyone will be saved eventually, despite the clear
teaching of Scripture.
7. A bad view of healing that implied that those who did not receive healing were lacking in faith.
8. A view of grace which was demeaning to God....grace was rarely discussed, except in the context of an argument about
grace and works...a very works oriented theology..

I personally am ashamed that I believed all this bad doctrine, and I thank God that he used Joe Tkach Sr. and Jr. and Mike Feazel to correct massive doctrinal error that wrecked the lives of many.

Robert
 
I wouldn't condemn anyone, as well as any sect, whose understanding is incomplete as cult because no one knows all.
 
Hi Chubbena,

If you're referring to my post, be aware that if this fellow follows Armstrongism, he doesn't believe that Christians who worship on Sunday are saved at all. Such exclusivism is a characteristic of a cult. It is fine if a person observes Sabbath as a preference, but to exclude the possibility of Sunday observers being saved is cultic, judgmental and condemning. In addition, they deny core Christian teachings such as the Trinity.

I personally have no issue with a Christian observing the Saturday Sabbath, but Armstrongism condemns those who do not as unsaved. That is why I have harsh words for it. However, since I believed the same thing at one point, I cannot be too harsh because someone else believes such false teaching.
 
Sabbath or Sunday which one is for the true followers of Christ?

Just whatever floats your boat! Rom 14v5

Certainly nothing to get hung up over.

Yahweh Shalom...