Sabbath

[valiant]

Here is the first mention of the Sabbath.

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

But the Sabbath is not mentioned even ONCE in that passage. You just assume it. There is no suggestion there that anyone should observe the Sabbath day. It was the day of ceasing work on creation, not a day of rest.

The first mention of the Sabbath in Scripture is in Exodus 16, where it is quite clear that not all the Israelites knew about it. It was only in the giving of the covenant that the Sabbath was made a requirement. It was thus very much a part of the Law of Moses.

according to the text which day is the Sabbath?

No day was mentioned as the Sabbath!!

What did God do to this day?

He ceased creating. Then He blessed it, not because it was the Sabbath but because it was the 'day' on which creation was completed.

Does God need rest?

Of course not.

f not then why did he rest?

He did not rest. He ceased work. An important difference.

 

[valiant]

Here Jesus mentions the Sabbath:

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

According to the verse,

who was the Sabbath made for, Just Jews or all of mankind?

It simply speaks of 'man' in general and could therefore be referring simply to Jews (who were the only ones who observed the Sabbath). He is saying that it was made for the benefit of 'man', that is, for men among the Jews.

What is the Lords Day?

It is not mentioned here but it was the day of resurrection on which Christians met to worship.

when according to this verse was the Sabbath instituted?

At Sinai.

 

[valiant]

Well done for making scripture contradict itself, although we know it does not and if you had answered some of those questions you would see that your text is missused.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Notice the things mentioned are a shadow of things to come/future. Now we know that there are ceremonial Sabbaths in the sacrificial feasts. but what about the 7th day Sabbath does that point forward?

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

that is a negative the 7th day Sabbath points back to a finished work not forward.

I don't know why people continue to quote collosians for their point when it clearly does not refer to the 7th day Sabbath.

well it is easy to answer that question, it is because Colossians was referring to ALL sabbaths whether seven day or ceremonial.
But note that in the verse sabbaths is paralleled with new moons. these were regular holy days every new moon. the sabbath was a holy day every sabbath. So clearly the thought of the seven day sabbath was primary.

the sabbath was a shadow of things to come. Read Hebrews 4. Genesis does not mention the sabbath. the seventh day only became connected with the sabbath in God's covenant with Israel.

now you have been enlightened

 

[gotime]

It simply speaks of 'man' in general and could therefore be referring simply to Jews (who were the only ones who observed the Sabbath). He is saying that it was made for the benefit of 'man', that is, for men among the Jews Valiant try but mankind means just that, mankind and if you look at the commandment itself it is also for the stranger within Israel. Isaiah 56 says its for those who are not Jews. So mankind actually means mankind not just Jewish men.



It is not mentioned here but it was the day of resurrection on which Christians met to worship.

According to the verse it is the Sabbath that Jesus is Lord of.



At Sinai.
You missed it, Jesus said "made" you are referring to when the commandment was given on stone the commandment points to creation for when it was instituted. It was made on the 7th day after 6 days of creation.

nice try but you need to read the texts to answer the questions.

 

[gotime]

well it is easy to answer that question, it is because Colossians was referring to ALL sabbaths whether seven day or ceremonial.
But note that in the verse sabbaths is paralleled with new moons. these were regular holy days every new moon. the sabbath was a holy day every sabbath. So clearly the thought of the seven day sabbath was primary.

now you have been enlightened

can you not see that it says things to come? and can you not see that the commandment points to something that came already? eg creation.

 

[Delivery]

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where should I look? I am completely lost here. I have been thinking about this for years. and then it brings us another question: what about the other commandments? Are they then void too?

In Matthew 5 we see Jesus laying out some commands like adultery and then clarifying/adding to them. But he says nothing about the sabbath. This leads me to think that all the commandments (the ten commandments which are separate from the law of moses) are still in play today. Does this make sense?

The 10 commandments are not separate from the law of Moses. They are part of the law of Moses. In fact, "Remember the sabbathday, to keep it holy" is one of the 10 commandments.

Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:[SUP]10[/SUP] But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
[SUP]11[/SUP] For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it. (Exodus 20:8-11)

[SUP]15[/SUP] Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.(Exodus 31:15)

As you can see, the reason for the Sabbath was a day of rest. God rested the 7th day after creating the world and so He commanded man to rest on the 7th day of the week. And, as you can also see, the punishment for disobeying the law was very severe: death. If we needed to obey the letter of the laws of Moses today, we'd have to set aside Saturday as the day of rest, since Saturday is the 7th day of the week. The 7th day Adventists like that one cause they worship on Saturday, and think that they are more righteous and better than other Christians for doing so. But the original intent of the Sabbath was not a day of worship but,rather, a day of rest. A person who has his day off from work on Saturday and uses that day to sit in front of the TV all day drinking beer and eating pizza is more obedient to the Sabbath law than those who go to church on Sunday and use Sunday as the day of rest. I guess if we were really under the law, as some people seem to think, then that means the majority of us should be taken out and stoned to death. (Or they could use more modern means of execution such as, firing squad, hanging, lethal injection, be-heading, etc.)

Good thing we're not under the law anymore, huh? When Jesus came He fulfilled the law and replaced it with His new Testament law of love, mercy and forgiveness. Some people become confused with those verses in Mathew 5:[SUP]17[/SUP] Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[SUP]18[/SUP] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[SUP]19[/SUP] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

The law of Moses was like a contract between God and man. It's a covenant, or testament, that has a beginning and an end, (a maturity date) Jesus didn't come to destroy or break this contract in the middle of it, but He did come to fulfill it by making the final payment on it, by offering up Himself as the final blood sacrifice for the sins of the people so that from then on if we just believe in Jesus and accept His sacrifice for our sins, we will be forgiven forever and our sins and iniquities will be remembered no more. They will be washed clean.

[SUP]27[/SUP] Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

[SUP]10[/SUP] By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many;

He offered Himself up once and for all so that we are forgiven for all our sins once and for all by believing in Him. He fulfilled the law by making the final payment on it, then signed it and filed it away in the back of the filing cabinet and instituted His new covenant law of love, mercy and forgiveness.

[SUP]17[/SUP] For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

So, that's why it's not necessary to keep the law anymore, including the Sabbath day.

 

[gotime]

But the Sabbath is not mentioned even ONCE in that passage. You just assume it. There is no suggestion there that anyone should observe the Sabbath day. It was the day of ceasing work on creation, not a day of rest.

The first mention of the Sabbath in Scripture is in Exodus 16, where it is quite clear that not all the Israelites knew about it. It was only in the giving of the covenant that the Sabbath was made a requirement. It was thus very much a part of the Law of Moses.




No day was mentioned as the Sabbath!!



He ceased creating. Then He blessed it, not because it was the Sabbath but because it was the 'day' on which creation was completed.



Of course not.


He did not rest. He ceased work. An important difference.

wow you are really trying hard, too bad you have to ignore scripture to do so.

The commandment strongly relates to the the creation in fact it says that the creation is the reason for the Sabbath. It says to remember it, so it not new its something already in place.

When did God bless it and set it apart. that's right Genesis 2 at creation completion. Both Jesus and the commandment clearly point to creation for the Sabbath.

nice try but ignoring the text for opinions just wont fly.

 

[valiant]

ITs like this one:

Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

two verses out of this whole chapter speak of people regarding one day above another, Yet the Sabbath is not explicitly mentioned. in fact the first verse says:

Rom 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

Yet there is nothing doubtful about the Sabbath, it is clear form beginning to end. These texts are used as straw men to distract from the truth.

For them to be right here they make the bible contradict itself.

Romans 14 so obviously refers to the SABBATH THAT IT CAN ONLY BE SPECIAL PLEADING TO DENY IT.

There is no contradiction. Some were observing the Sabbath, some were observing the first day of the week some were observing all days to the LORD. this continued to be the practise in the Christian church, some observing the Sabbath, some observing Sunday. To Gentiles the Sabbath would have no particular significance, and as slaves they were more likely to be able to get time off for worship on the day of the Sun. Thus they chose to keep that day, the day of resurrection, to the LORD, which appears to be the day when Christians especially worshiped.

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[valiant]

wow you are really trying hard, too bad you have to ignore scripture to do so.

The commandment strongly relates to the the creation in fact it says that the creation is the reason for the Sabbath. It says to remember it, so it not new its something already in place.

When did God bless it and set it apart. that's right Genesis 2 at creation completion. Both Jesus and the commandment clearly point to creation for the Sabbath.

nice try but ignoring the text for opinions just wont fly.

OK show me where in Genesis 1-2 the Sabbath is mentioned. And if it was so well known why is it never mentioned until Exodus 16 when it is clear that only some knew about its observance. Moses had to explain it to the Israelite elders. People like you try to force your interpretation on everyone.

The observance of the Sabbath is first commanded in Exodus 20 in the covenant. It is then related back to the fact of the seventh day of creation to give it force. But in Genesis 2 the seventh day was NOT called the Sabbath.

where does Jesus relate the Sabbath to creation? Certainly not in Mark 2.27-28 where creation is not mentioned but is simply assumed by you. you just assume it for your own convenience

It is you who ignores what the text ACTUALLY says., I will leave others to judge

 

[4enlightment]

Hebrew 4:1 Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it. 2 For we also have had the good news proclaimed to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because they did not share the faith of those who obeyed. 3 Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said,

“So I declared on oath in my anger,
‘They shall never enter my rest.’”
And yet his works have been finished since the creation of the world (Uhmmm). 4 For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: “On the seventh day God rested from all his works.” 5 And again in the passage above he says, “They shall never enter my rest.”

6 Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience, 7 God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.” This he did when a long time later he spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted:

“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10 for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his. 11 Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.

 

[gotime]

Romans 14 so obviously refers to the SABBATH THAT IT CAN ONLY BE SPECIAL PLEADING TO DENY IT.

There is no contradiction. Some were observing the Sabbath, some were observing the first day of the week some were observing all days to the LORD. this continued to be the practise in the Christian church, some observing the Sabbath, some observing Sunday. To Gentiles the Sabbath would have no particular significance, and as slaves they were more likely to be able to get time off for worship on the day of the Sun. Thus they chose to keep that day, the day of resurrection, to the LORD, which appears to be the day when Christians especially worshiped.

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Again go study the Old testament the Sabbath was for gentiles also.

Think it through, the 10 commandments are like the pinnacle of the law yet you don't see a big issue being made about it by the Jews do you. and if you think two verses is a big issue then good for you.

There is no evidence for Sunday being a special day of worship in the bible.

Funny how you are going on about the word Sabbath not being mentioned in Genesis yet here its not mentioned by name and you think its proof that the Sabbath is here referred to.

So which one is it? you can't have it both ways. You have nothing in Romans 14 but unsubstantiated claims.

 

[4enlightment]

6 Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience, ( he was referring to Adam and Eve)

 

[valiant]

can you not see that it says things to come? and can you not see that the commandment points to something that came already? eg creation.

of course it speaks of 'things to come'. the times mentioned are shadows of things to come. The sabbath was a shadow. the reality was the sabbath rest of Jesus Christ when we rest in Christ.. Note Heb 4.1. 3, a sabbath rest which some are to still enter (4.6). It is 'another day' (verse 8).
As verse 9 says, 'there remains a sabbath rest for the people of God'. It is yet to come for many. we are to 'strive to enter into that rest' (verse 10). He is not talking about a simple observance of the sabbath.

The actual commandment does not speak of the past, it calls on the past as illustration. For them the observance of the Sabbath was just beginning. And as we see from Hebrews it was a shadow of the perfect rest in Christ.

 

[Grandpa]

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Are the verses from Exodus 20 part of the law, yes or no?

Ephesians 2:7-8
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Not of works, lest any man should boast.

So we are not under the law and the law cannot save us. Why not?

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Because of the New Covenant. Because Christ has set us free.

Did the Apostles already work this out 2000 yrs ago? Yes.

Acts 15:5-11
[SUP]5[/SUP]But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

 

[gotime]

OK show me where in Genesis 1-2 the Sabbath is mentioned. And if it was so well known why is it never mentioned until Exodus 16 when it is clear that only some knew about its observance. Moses had to explain it to the Israelite elders. People like you try to force your interpretation on everyone.
Show me how the Sabbath and Gen 2 are not connected? Sabbath means rest did God Rest? Moses having to explain it proves nothing, Seems you need it explained to you. They had been in slavery for hundreds of years in a pagan culture that might explain some things. Not being mentioned means nothing the bible makes it clear where the Sabbath came form and its Gen 2.
The observance of the Sabbath is first commanded in Exodus 20 in the covenant. It is then related back to the fact of the seventh day of creation to give it force. But in Genesis 2 the seventh day was NOT called the Sabbath.

where does Jesus relate the Sabbath to creation? Certainly not in Mark 2.27-28 where creation is not mentioned but is simply assumed by you. you just assume it for your own convenience Ok are you really 81? What does the word "made" mean? Now this is not hard think about it, when Did God Make the Sabbath. Keep in mind the commandment is not where it is made it already existed according to the commandment.

It is you who ignores what the text ACTUALLY says., I will leave others to judge

You have nothing friend, it is not man you are fighting here it is God. you do know that the Sabbath was prophecies to be kept after the cross right? God study it Isaiah 56.

 

[4enlightment]

Exodus 34:9 “Lord,” he said, “if I have found favor in your eyes, then let the Lord go with us. Although this is a stiff-necked people, forgive our wickedness and our sin, and take us as your inheritance.”

Matthew 13:15 For this people’s heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.’

 

[valiant]

Again go study the Old testament the Sabbath was for gentiles also. /quote]

yes if they became proselytes. but lets see your quotaions so we can counter them.

Think it through, the 10 commandments are like the pinnacle of the law yet you don't see a big issue being made about it by the Jews do you. and if you think two verses is a big issue then good for you.

it is YOU who is making the Sabbath a big issue, not me. You don't think they make the 10 commandments a big issue? They were to the rich young ruler. They were a very big issue in Judaism.

But if you are happy to agree that the Sabbath is not a big issue I will agree with you.

There is no evidence for Sunday being a special day of worship in the bible.

The first day of the week is mentioned in 1 Cor 16.2; Acts 20.7. In Acts 20.7 'they gathered together to break bread'. Sounds like something customary to me. Observance of the Sabbath by the church is not mentioned at all.

The Sabbath day was not a day of worship, it was a day of rest. There is no suggestion of it being for worship in the Pentateuch.

Funny how you are going on about the word Sabbath not being mentioned in Genesis yet here its not mentioned by name and you think its proof that the Sabbath is here referred to.

Then what was observance of a day referring to? And that is especially so if as you claim some of them observed the Sabbath? Perhaps you will tell us what day Paul was referring to? His readers included many Jewish Christians.

So which one is it? you can't have it both ways. You have nothing in Romans 14 but unsubstantiated claims.

Paul speaks of observing a day to the LORD. It was one day every week. If it was not the Sabbath in mind what was it? Why should there be any argument about observing it? To anyone but you it is perfectly obvious.

 

[valiant]

You have nothing friend, it is not man you are fighting here it is God. you do know that the Sabbath was prophecies to be kept after the cross right? God study it Isaiah 56.

there is no mention of the cross in Isaiah 66. Isaiah was talking while the shadow was still in force. After the cross the shadow was no longer necessary.

No, GOD said, 'the sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath'. Nowhere in the New Testament does He require the observance of the Sabbath. What He does declare is that we are not 'under the Law'. Not even James mentions the observance of the Sabbath.

In fact Gentile slaves COULD NOT observe the Sabbath (for Jews the Roman law made provision) . They were forced to work. Time for you to think about the facts.

 

[AngelFrog]

Do we need to keep the sabbath? I dunno if I posted about this but I am still confused.

Matthew 5:19 says that if you ignore the least of these commands you get the least position in heaven. So can someone please explain this to me?

btw, what is the purpose of the Sabbath and why is it so hard to keep?

Hebrews 4:1-12

Christians do not and are not to practice Sabbath as did/do the Jews. However, it does not mean that Sabbath was done away with.
The Sabbath, the Bible says, remains forever. It is a time of rest and contemplation on the word and wisdom of God. We do not work our way into Heaven, we are granted access to Heaven by the grace of God through faith in Christ.
In a sense that is the parable in God having worked for six "days" and resting on the seventh. We labor for six days and rest and give thanks unto God on the seventh.
Sabbath day in the scriptures, and no scripture changed this, is from sundown Friday unto Sundown Saturday.
No, you won't be stoned if you work on the Sabbath, like in times of old however, rest and contemplation and spending time with God on the Lord's day, when Jesus was Lord of the Sabbath, helps to align ourselves I think with what is rich and sacred and removed from this world that otherwise keeps us occupied most times.

 

[AngelFrog]

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