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Yes mine are KJV as well. Both of mine just come with a Concordance and the Other with a Concordance and a Hebrew and Greek dictionary linked to Strong's numbers in the text. I am so excited. I never want to have someone else's interpretation of God's Word. That is between us and our time with God. I love God's Word so much. I really could not decide between the two so got both. They are also such nice quality so they should last a while I hope.
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Thank you for your thoughtful reply,
I am very aware of the many doctrines surrounding the "Christian" tradition of pretty much ignoring God's Sabbath Commandment.
What I know for sure is that God's Creation is not complete without the 7th day. His week includes a 7th day rest from the very creation of the earth.
What we do on His Holy Days is a valid question. But to say God doesn't have a 7th day in His creation is not accurate, nor is it accurate to say His 7th Day wasn't created for man to rest as He did. IMHO
I am very aware of the many doctrines surrounding the "Christian" tradition of pretty much ignoring God's Sabbath Commandment.
What I know for sure is that God's Creation is not complete without the 7th day. His week includes a 7th day rest from the very creation of the earth.
What we do on His Holy Days is a valid question. But to say God doesn't have a 7th day in His creation is not accurate, nor is it accurate to say His 7th Day wasn't created for man to rest as He did. IMHO
I would offer the Old Testament saints were forgiven in the same as us as those on the this side of the cross.
This is by a work of Christ’s faith an labor of His love that worked in them to both will and do the good pleasure of God.
Shadows are ceremonial laws (not moral law )shadows cannot forgive they pointed ahead to Christ who can and does.
1Pe 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
God purified their wicked hearts by a work of His faith of Him who lived in them just as with us. Both looking for the same kind of glory according to 1 Peter 1:11 from different time periods.
(Purple in parenthesis) my personal comments
Act 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith...... (Christ's not of our own-selves.)
Time factors are sometimes ignored.
The promised time of reformation had come over two thousand years ago. A time for healing. The promised season found in Hebrews 9
The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:Which was a figure (parable) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. Heb 9:8
This is by a work of Christ’s faith an labor of His love that worked in them to both will and do the good pleasure of God.
Shadows are ceremonial laws (not moral law )shadows cannot forgive they pointed ahead to Christ who can and does.
1Pe 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
God purified their wicked hearts by a work of His faith of Him who lived in them just as with us. Both looking for the same kind of glory according to 1 Peter 1:11 from different time periods.
(Purple in parenthesis) my personal comments
Act 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith...... (Christ's not of our own-selves.)
Time factors are sometimes ignored.
The promised time of reformation had come over two thousand years ago. A time for healing. The promised season found in Hebrews 9
The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:Which was a figure (parable) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. Heb 9:8
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Absolutely,
1 Cor. 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
T Yes, "Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances,", all part of the Levitical Priesthood "works of the Law" for remission of sins that were "ADDED" because of transgression to God's Law's Abraham was blessed for obeying, until the Seed should come, the "Time of reformation".
But this does, in no way, change or alter God's definition of sin, what is Holy or Unholy, Clean or Unclean, righteous or unrighteous.
This "Added" Law made no one perfect.
Heb. 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
But God's Laws and the observance of them IS what made Jesus perfect, and it is by obedience to these "Good" Holy" "Righteous" and "Just" Laws that qualified the man Jesus as the "perfect" sacrifice, a Lamb without blemish.
As he directed: Matt. 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
1 Cor. 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
T Yes, "Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances,", all part of the Levitical Priesthood "works of the Law" for remission of sins that were "ADDED" because of transgression to God's Law's Abraham was blessed for obeying, until the Seed should come, the "Time of reformation".
But this does, in no way, change or alter God's definition of sin, what is Holy or Unholy, Clean or Unclean, righteous or unrighteous.
This "Added" Law made no one perfect.
Heb. 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
But God's Laws and the observance of them IS what made Jesus perfect, and it is by obedience to these "Good" Holy" "Righteous" and "Just" Laws that qualified the man Jesus as the "perfect" sacrifice, a Lamb without blemish.
As he directed: Matt. 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
right, two explanations, I just listed one.
so, of the many (most?) users here on CC who seem to have spent a long time studying God's word (and thus cannot use the "I didn't know" excuse), you would say that, as a class, they are unbelievers.
getting back to "The Spirit itself bears witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God".
The Spirit witnesses that to me, I think probably many (most?) users here on CC would say the same thing.
so, of the many (most?) users here on CC who seem to have spent a long time studying God's word (and thus cannot use the "I didn't know" excuse), you would say that, as a class, they are unbelievers.
getting back to "The Spirit itself bears witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God".
The Spirit witnesses that to me, I think probably many (most?) users here on CC would say the same thing.
in your post 3303, the post where you say "Your statement above is not correct" the only post of mine quoted is
there were multiple statements in it, so I asked which one you thought was not correct, which I believe is how this "which statement, which scripture" sub-thread got started.
but I agree, it's not important, let's focus on the "meat" of the issue.
there were multiple statements in it, so I asked which one you thought was not correct, which I believe is how this "which statement, which scripture" sub-thread got started.
but I agree, it's not important, let's focus on the "meat" of the issue.
I do change my ways in thought and deed
For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
but talk more, please, about "they reject it (the Sabbath?) in their heart and are thus left in ignorance".
Is rejecting the Sabbath in one's heart an excuse? Thus, one could read God's word, not do special activities on the Sabbath, and still be a true Christian?
For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
but talk more, please, about "they reject it (the Sabbath?) in their heart and are thus left in ignorance".
Is rejecting the Sabbath in one's heart an excuse? Thus, one could read God's word, not do special activities on the Sabbath, and still be a true Christian?
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Well Jesus was a man I believe. But He was also the Messiah who was to usher in the New Covenant. The new covenant was the fulfillment of these Levitical Priesthood ceremonial "works of the Law" for remission and justification of sins, which was "ADDED" until the Seed should come. (Gal. 3:19)
His ability to forgive sins was given Him by His Father. The entire Levitical Priesthood was a shadow of His coming. The Mainstream Church of His time had corrupted themselves and had lost sight of this Biblical fact.
It seems today there is still much confusion over exactly what the New Covenant is. Many preach that it is the replacement of God's entire law structure. But the Scriptures don't support this teaching. It seems the New Covenant pertains to how we are forgiven. It used to be by finding a Levite and having him perform ceremonial, sacrificial "Deeds or Works of the Law" for the remission of sins and justification. Now we have faith in the perfect sacrifice of Jesus for justification and remission of sins.
Rom. 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
The definition of sin has not changed according to scripture. Just the way it is forgiven.
Thanks for the kind welcome
Well Jesus was a man I believe. But He was also the Messiah who was to usher in the New Covenant. The new covenant was the fulfillment of these Levitical Priesthood ceremonial "works of the Law" for remission and justification of sins, which was "ADDED" until the Seed should come. (Gal. 3:19)
His ability to forgive sins was given Him by His Father. The entire Levitical Priesthood was a shadow of His coming. The Mainstream Church of His time had corrupted themselves and had lost sight of this Biblical fact.
It seems today there is still much confusion over exactly what the New Covenant is. Many preach that it is the replacement of God's entire law structure. But the Scriptures don't support this teaching. It seems the New Covenant pertains to how we are forgiven. It used to be by finding a Levite and having him perform ceremonial, sacrificial "Deeds or Works of the Law" for the remission of sins and justification. Now we have faith in the perfect sacrifice of Jesus for justification and remission of sins.
Rom. 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
The definition of sin has not changed according to scripture. Just the way it is forgiven.
Thanks for the kind welcome
Jesus is a non-Levitical high priest, so perhaps that's why he had authority on earth to forgive sins without Levitical sacrifices.
"The Lord hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek."
totally glad you brought that up, it's like an answer to my prayer to bring up the subject of Bibles!
There's the standard Protestant list of books used by most people here on CC. The Roman Catholics have a different list, the Eastern Orthodox yet another. A Lutheran pastor told me that the ELCA has never chosen a list, so it could be theoretically anything.
There's the standard Protestant list of books used by most people here on CC. The Roman Catholics have a different list, the Eastern Orthodox yet another. A Lutheran pastor told me that the ELCA has never chosen a list, so it could be theoretically anything.
I read every post you reply to me.
I repeat a lot in order to go "line upon line", one step at a time, trying to make sure we understand each other as we progress.
this, hopefully, will keep the discussion on track and lead to an edifying conclusion!
I study God's word intensely, and God frequently shows me amazing things!
May God bless you too!
I repeat a lot in order to go "line upon line", one step at a time, trying to make sure we understand each other as we progress.
this, hopefully, will keep the discussion on track and lead to an edifying conclusion!
I study God's word intensely, and God frequently shows me amazing things!
May God bless you too!
Many here have no reference for this order of High Priest. Adam was in this Position and taught others, like Enoch, Methuselah, and Abram. Many don't realize how going back to the ancient path is laid out for us all, and cannot be mistaken for the shadows that came before the conclusion of that ultimate sacrifice for sin on the cross. We are still called to keep the feast in remembrance by Messiah Yahshua himself. Most of CC is blinded by the cup of wrath. The Passover was what the deciples where keeping under the leadership of the Messiah. He said "as often as you do this, do it in remembrance of me." speaking of the cup at the Passover dinner. Also the feast of unleavened bread for example was mentioned later to be kept, "as unleavened bread".
If The CC wanted to repent they would be wise to get rid of the festival of Christmas, Easter, Halloween, Valentine's Day, and the like that doesn't honor God or His way. Making this change, challenging as it sounds, would change the world over night. I pray for revival and true repentance but the word calls us out, not to change her.
Shalom in Yahshua the Messiah
John Talmid
If The CC wanted to repent they would be wise to get rid of the festival of Christmas, Easter, Halloween, Valentine's Day, and the like that doesn't honor God or His way. Making this change, challenging as it sounds, would change the world over night. I pray for revival and true repentance but the word calls us out, not to change her.
Shalom in Yahshua the Messiah
John Talmid
The New Testament has ample evidence that the seventh day Sabbath is no longer a requirement.
In many churches today, the term "The Lord’s Day" is used to designate Sunday, the same as it was in the second century.
I hope this is evidence enough to show you that the Bible does not require that we worship on Saturday. If anything, we have the freedom (Rom. 14:1-12) to worship on the day that we believe we should. And, no one should judge us in regard to the day we keep. We are free in Christ, not under law (Rom. 6:14).
[FONT=lucida grande, tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif]That is from CARM and is a great explanation of the way the new testament speaks of the sabbath.
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- Rom. 14:5-6, "One man regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God."
- Col. 2:16-17, "Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ."
- Acts 20:7, "And on the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to depart the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight."
- 1 Cor. 16:1-2, "Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I directed the churches of Galatia, so do you also. 2 On the first day of every week let each one of you put aside and save, as he may prosper, that no collections be made when I come."
- Rev. 1:10-11, "I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like the sound of a trumpet, 11saying, "Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea."
In many churches today, the term "The Lord’s Day" is used to designate Sunday, the same as it was in the second century.
I hope this is evidence enough to show you that the Bible does not require that we worship on Saturday. If anything, we have the freedom (Rom. 14:1-12) to worship on the day that we believe we should. And, no one should judge us in regard to the day we keep. We are free in Christ, not under law (Rom. 6:14).
[FONT=lucida grande, tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif]That is from CARM and is a great explanation of the way the new testament speaks of the sabbath.
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I don't know about 'dangerous, but certainly UNprofitable to keep all our activities 'seperate as if they have no bearing to each other.
What we learn on the Sabbath is to be 'practiced during the other 6 days thus contributing to our conversion....gradually changing us over time. Being instructed by GOD on the Sabbath is a bit like attending school/lessons that need to be remembered and absorbed during the rest of the week. now...if you are not spending time with your Teacher you are not going to learn much - stands to reason.
Does that make sense to you ?
What we learn on the Sabbath is to be 'practiced during the other 6 days thus contributing to our conversion....gradually changing us over time. Being instructed by GOD on the Sabbath is a bit like attending school/lessons that need to be remembered and absorbed during the rest of the week. now...if you are not spending time with your Teacher you are not going to learn much - stands to reason.
Does that make sense to you ?
Neither God nor Jesus gave man 'the option of choosing their own holy day to observe' What Paul was saying in Rom 14 was that people were choosing their own day each to their own liking....it most certainly was not a commandment given by him , Jesus or God. People totally MISquote Rom 14 because they think it allows them to reject the sabbath.
As for Acts 20v7, they had gathered on the first day to break bread...again people ASSUME it was for a religious service when in fact it was for a MEAL...that was interrupted when a Youth fell from an upstairs window...and Paul returned to to finish EATING v11.
1Cor 16, This collection was for Produce to be shipped to Jerusalem where the Saints were enduring a famine...it had nothing to do with collecting money at a church service. Produce from fields and gardens had to be gathered and put 'in store on the first day of the week (a working day) to be ready for collection by Paul and 2 or more men for shipment.
Let us please keep scripture in perspective and not twist it for the purpose of teaching false doctrine....misleading innocent and gullible/trusting Souls.
Jesus warned of false christs misleading/deceiving the many !
As for Acts 20v7, they had gathered on the first day to break bread...again people ASSUME it was for a religious service when in fact it was for a MEAL...that was interrupted when a Youth fell from an upstairs window...and Paul returned to to finish EATING v11.
1Cor 16, This collection was for Produce to be shipped to Jerusalem where the Saints were enduring a famine...it had nothing to do with collecting money at a church service. Produce from fields and gardens had to be gathered and put 'in store on the first day of the week (a working day) to be ready for collection by Paul and 2 or more men for shipment.
Let us please keep scripture in perspective and not twist it for the purpose of teaching false doctrine....misleading innocent and gullible/trusting Souls.
Jesus warned of false christs misleading/deceiving the many !