Salvation is for the Whole World

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ForestGreenCook said:
The natural man, before he has been born spiritually, cannot hear=to believe in the things of the Spirit, and thinks them to be foolishness (1 Cor 2:14).

The "whosoever will" does not include the natural man.
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You need a new favorite verse.

Let me rephrase. You need to understand the verse you quote in almost every post.
 
Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.[/QUOTE]

And those who will are only the elect.
 
Magenta said:
Do you know of anyone else who believes the two wheels are/represent two classes of people?

Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and
many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

We don't enter through anyone else besides Jesus!

Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."

The man who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber.
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Most of Spiritual Israel, turned away from God, and started worshiping idols, and God blinded their eyes, until they repent. They are still children of God, just disobedient children of God, who are in need of deliverance (salvation, according to Strong's concordance) Zeph 3:11-13.

Those who find the straight gate, are the remnant of the house of Spiritual Israel. The disobedient children of Spiritual Israel, enter the wide gate, due to a lack of knowledge of the gospel. This is the reason for the diversity of beliefs on this forum.
 
VARob said:
You need a new favorite verse.

Let me rephrase. You need to understand the verse you quote in almost every post.
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It is you who does not understand. Did you actually read that verse and the verses that surround it?

Had you, it would be impossible for you to have come to that conclusion.
 
rogerg said:
Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
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And those who will are only the elect.[/QUOTE]


You are making progress (John 10:26-29).
 
ForestGreenCook said:
Most of Spiritual Israel, turned away from God, and started worshiping idols, and God blinded their eyes, until they repent. They are still children of God, just disobedient children of God, who are in need of deliverance (salvation, according to Strong's concordance) Zeph 3:11-13.

Those who find the straight gate, are the remnant of the house of Spiritual Israel. The disobedient children of Spiritual Israel, enter the wide gate, due to a lack of knowledge of the gospel. This is the reason for the diversity of beliefs on this forum.
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That doesn't in any way answer my question.
 
rogerg said:
Christ's faith is imputed to those chosen for salvation - it was only Christ's faith God found pleasing, not man's.

[Phl 3:9 KJV] 9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
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Do you not hear your own words? You say Man has no choice, yet man is condemned because he doesn’t choose, that man has no faith because God didn’t give them any, but they can’t have any because God wont give them any. So, how can God condemn a man that is given no choice?

Also, why is a saved person allowed to sin, but an unregenerate man is not?
 
Magenta said:
Do you know of anyone else who believes the two wheels are/represent two classes of people?

Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and
many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

We don't enter through anyone else besides Jesus!

Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."

The man who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber.
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Both of the gates in Matt 7 combined, make up the sheepfold.
 
ForestGreenCook said:
Would you not say that unbelief in spiritual things, is a lack of faith?
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I believed in spiritual things but was still lacking in faith. I have no idea why you are asking me that question. I am also not at home and am on my phone grrrrrr lol
 
rogerg said:
It is you who does not understand. Did you actually read that verse and the verses that surround it?

Had you, it would be impossible for you to have come to that conclusion.
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I did, as well as all the other verses pertaining to salvation, which is precisely why I came to that conclusion.
 
VARob said:
God gives to Jesus people who freely choose to believe the gospel.
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It is the reverse. All the Father gave to Christ, come to believe. The verse simply does not say what you've read into it, it just isn't there.
 
VARob said:
I did, as well as all the other verses pertaining to salvation, which is precisely why I came to that conclusion.
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You've read this verse ( and not even considering the ones adjacent to it), yet you believe that natural (unsaved) man, while not being able to know or comprehend the things of God, can cause themselves to become saved? Really?

[1Co 2:14 KJV] 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
 
Magenta said:
That doesn't in any way answer my question.
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Sorry, The two gates in Matt 7 combined, make up the sheepfold. The sheepfold consists of obedient children of God, and disobedient children of God. The scriptures state that all of Spiritual will be saved (Rom 11:26).
 
rogerg said:
It is the reverse. All the Father gave to Christ, come to believe. The verse simply does not say what you've read into it, it just isn't there.
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rogerg said:
You've read this verse ( and not even considering the ones adjacent to it), yet you believe that natural (unsaved) man, while not being able to know or comprehend the things of God, can cause themselves to become saved? Really?

[1Co 2:14 KJV] 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
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This issue is never resolved. People on one side of the fence never move to the other.
When Christ returns, it will be settled once and for all.

But for the life of me, I will never understand why people are attracted to Calvinism.
 
VARob said:
But for the life of me, I will never understand why people are attracted to Calvinism.
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When you have a FORMULA you do not need to think. All you need to do is regurgitate the formula.

Look at Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (the new State Religion of America). It is totally meaningless until you see that it is a smokescreen for a blend of Communism and Black Racism.
 
VARob said:
This issue is never resolved. People on one side of the fence never move to the other.
When Christ returns, it will be settled once and for all.

But for the life of me, I will never understand why people are attracted to Calvinism.
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Oh my! It isn't Calvinism, it is that Christ is the Saviour and as the Saviour has done all needed to save - everything, period.
Anyone who does not believe that, in effect believes that Jesus failed in the mission the Father gave to Him.

[Heb 10:7 KJV] 7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

[Jhn 6:39 KJV] 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
 
Nehemiah6 said:
When you have a FORMULA you do not need to think. All you need to do is regurgitate the formula.

Look at Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (the new State Religion of America). It is totally meaningless until you see that it is a smokescreen for a blend of Communism and Black Racism.
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Absurd!
 
Magenta said:
This line of discussion comes out of those who say if we do anything at all to accept God's grace we have nullified His grace.
Receiving His gift of salvation is also counted as a work by some, who say if we do anything to "receive" it is no longer a gift.
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Nothing can "nullify" grace - that was exactly and precisely my point - that to become saved, grace rules supreme.
To receive His gift of salvation is not a work and is fully and solely a gift. However, should we believe that we must do something to receive it, the doing then becomes a work and a law and demonstrates that we are under the law.
 
Sipsey said:
I guess I’m a little confused about this faith stuff also. That verse that states, “Without faith it is impossible to please Him,” seems out of place if it comes from God, yet He is not pleased if we lack faith, but we can’t have it unless He gives it to us,
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Hebrews 11:1,6 KJV
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
[6] But without faith it is impossible to please him : for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Mark 9:24 KJV
And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.
 
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