SALVATION ONLY POSSIBLE WITHOUT WORKS!

[Zinzerio]

[video=youtube;8OiKg_Oo_8M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OiKg_Oo_8M[/video]

 

[Zinzerio]

or maybe hes a camel lol

[video=youtube;7wFt8KIpDIs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wFt8KIpDIs[/video]

 

[dcontroversal]

Actually there is only one true north and that is Liverpool north west just joking God is not territorial he is everywhere

Actually the bible does state clearly that God is in the North Parts.....

Psalm 48:1-3 God in the mountain of his holiness, the joy of the whole earth, is mount ZION, on the sides (PARTS) of the NORTH, the city of the GREAT KING

Isaiah 14:13 Concerning the fall of Lucifer-->For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the STARS OF GOD: I will sit also upon the MOUNT of the congregation, in the SIDES (PARTS) of the NORTH

God is the LOFTY one who inhabits eternity and the EARTH IS HIS FOOT STOOL<---POINTS to GOD SITTING ON HIS THRONE ABOVE THE EARTH IN THE NORTH!

These are just three references to the scriptures that point to where the God of heaven is which is in the NORTH PARTS if you will.....

It is interesting that there seems to be nothing behind the NORTH STAR!

 

[dcontroversal]

aha ha ha ha lol to funny

HAHA well it started to fire me up a bit...someone who posts like 50 times and hardly any scriptures whatsoever at all tells me all I need to know about his theology.....

I again will state that I am not saying that a child of God should not be biblical and walk according to the word of God which will bring SANCTIFICATION in our PHYSICAL lives and make us usable for God...

The bible does not teach our works to gain or keep salvation as it is the spirit that is born of God and does not sin and cannot loose the eternal life that has been given unto our spirit as it is the perfect faith OF JESUS that saves us and justifies us before the Heavenly Father!

 

[Zinzerio]

Actually the bible does state clearly that God is in the North Parts.....

Psalm 48:1-3 God in the mountain of his holiness, the joy of the whole earth, is mount ZION, on the sides (PARTS) of the NORTH, the city of the GREAT KING

Isaiah 14:13 Concerning the fall of Lucifer-->For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the STARS OF GOD: I will sit also upon the MOUNT of the congregation, in the SIDES (PARTS) of the NORTH

God is the LOFTY one who inhabits eternity and the EARTH IS HIS FOOT STOOL<---POINTS to GOD SITTING ON HIS THRONE ABOVE THE EARTH IN THE NORTH!

These are just three references to the scriptures that point to where the God of heaven is which is in the NORTH PARTS if you will.....

It is interesting that there seems to be nothing behind the NORTH STAR!

yar lol i always wondered if those southerners where Canaanites lol

 

[Apostol2013]

it is still yours. The giver does not take it baclk, if he did, it was never a gift in the first place.

Lets see what page you are on , so what you are saying if i confessed jesus and repented but at a point murdered an individual and continue killing others continually without any form of repentance by showing that i commit murder and have not stopped then would i be saved ? This is a question worth answering no philosophy no human understanding use pure scripture

 

[dcontroversal]

yar lol i always wondered if those southerners where Canaanites lol

HAHAH I need to email that quote to my family-in-laws in Arkansas and tell them that the secret is out HAH!

 

[LT]

Lets see what page you are on , so what you are saying if i confessed jesus and repented but at a point murdered an individual and continue killing others continually without any form of repentance by showing that i commit murder and have not stopped then would i be saved ? This is a question worth answering no philosophy no human understanding use pure scripture

sounds like fake emotion based repentance, which is not faith. no conviction means no Spirit. No Spirit means... never saved.

Why would you ask him to defend a point he has refuted previously.

please pay closer attention. 'Understanding' is not a common gift, but this is more common sense that is needed.

 

[dcontroversal]

Lets see what page you are on , so what you are saying if i confessed jesus and repented but at a point murdered an individual and continue killing others continually without any form of repentance by showing that i commit murder and have not stopped then would i be saved ? This is a question worth answering no philosophy no human understanding use pure scripture

John said that NO MURDERER hath eternal life dwelling in him....someone who lives the way you suggest was never saved to begin with....They went out from us because they NEVER WERE of US!

 

[Apostol2013]

But to make a statement clear even if we would make a mistake wall we have to do is confess to jesus the faithfull and true and continue in the faith not to intentionally sin but to walk uprightly in God

 

[Apostol2013]

John said that NO MURDERER hath eternal life dwelling in him....someone who lives the way you suggest was never saved to begin with....They went out from us because they NEVER WERE of US!

thank you therefore a change kf the heart is required that is to be trully born again but the gift can be lost if the faith is distorted and this is done through sin but we have a weapon in truth and that is Jesus

 

[LT]

thank you therefore a change kf the heart is required that is to be trully born again but the gift can be lost if the faith is distorted and this is done through sin but we have a weapon in truth and that is Jesus

no... how did you come up with this?

why don't you guys just read Ephesians and figure out that salvation is secure and eternal.

 

[Elin]

yes he did say forgive 70 X 7

Did he say only if your brother repented?

Did he say only if your brother was convicted?

Did he say only if your brother felt sorry for his sin?

No. He said forgive, unconditional forgiveness is what God preaches.

so is God telling us to do what he will not do?

Didn't God's justice require that the debt for our sin be paid in order to forgive/cancel it?

 

[Apostol2013]

sounds like fake emotion based repentance, which is not faith. no conviction means no Spirit. No Spirit means... never saved.

Why would you ask him to defend a point he has refuted previously.

please pay closer attention. 'Understanding' is not a common gift, but this is more common sense that is needed.

Thank you Amen to that i believe it is good to make aware of falsities to make aware that we are not to sin but we do have an advocate that is jesus to confess and repent that we maintain propperly oiled and tuned to stand against the whales of the enemy wich seeks to kill and destroy . And Our friend Our God wich seeks to save and heal giving us life and the adversary giving death , as for me and my house we chose life

 

[Zinzerio]

Well the bible is quite clear we have to respect the law of the land, yes no-one can go out and murder,, but one can out and run someone over drunk in a car and only get charged with manslaughter,, where is the justice in some parts of the law of the land hmm,, Now on the other side the government pays there soldiers to kill the soldier is still obliged to respect the law of the land,, that is the duty of a soldier,, this is the only time killing is acceptable along with self defense,, but one who murders and sheds innocent blood is seen as one of the things the lord detests, there are different types of murders so perhaps apostle would like to say exactly what murder he is talking about,, is he talking about pre mediated murder,, ie planned in advance ,, is he talking about an act in the heat of moment , when we know this we can answer ,,

 

[Elin]

Galatians 5:13-15 (KJV) [SUP]13 [/SUP]For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. [SUP]15 [/SUP]But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

Proverbs 30:12-14 (KJV) [SUP]12 [/SUP]There is a generation that are pure in their own eyes, and yet is not washed from their filthiness. [SUP]13 [/SUP]There is a generation, O how lofty are their eyes! and their eyelids are lifted up. [SUP]14 [/SUP]There is a generation, whose teeth are as swords, and their jaw teeth as knives, to devour the poor from off the earth, and the needy from among men.

Are the unlearned needy? Are the foolish spiritually poor?

We see biting & devouring, and no love. We see pride & arrogance. We see self righteousness. We see now 41 pages of evidence that clearly shows nothing has been gained for God. We see no compassion for the babes, nor the sinners.

Competition......everybody wants to win....... but at what cost?

Beware of the leaven of the pharisees.

Do not some say the same of Paul (Gal 5:12)?

 

[Apostol2013]

no... how did you come up with this?

why don't you guys just read Ephesians and figure out that salvation is secure and eternal.

Lets take a scriptural example How about if a brother good in the faith one day gets angry and blasphemes that very unforgivable sin then would salvation be secure ?

 

[LT]

Lets take a scriptural example How about if a brother good in the faith one day gets angry and blasphemes that very unforgivable sin then would salvation be secure ?

this scenario never happened, because the Spirit within the brother cannot blaspheme itself.
A believer cannot commit the unforgivable sin.

 

[Apostol2013]

Lt i know you have a good perception but we are dealing with ones that dont know better to the learned we have a good perception but we must be aware of the unlearned then they must be baby steped but to the learned the obedient salvation is secure now the thief on the cross did not have a chancr of learning but was saved but if we are given a timefrsme and have sufficidnt time and do nothing then we are at failufe but if there is no time maybe then that person would be saved

 

[dcontroversal]

thank you therefore a change kf the heart is required that is to be trully born again but the gift can be lost if the faith is distorted and this is done through sin but we have a weapon in truth and that is Jesus

I would disagree it can be lost.....I will agree that it can be rejected and or allowed to (drift) by without bringing salvation to a lost man!

I can refuse a gift and I can allow a gift to go untouched and or unopened...