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I really have investigated Billy Graham and have come to the conclusion he is a wonderful man of God who has been used for many years to bring many souls to Christ. It just goes to show a man or woman can do so much right and be led of the Lord all their lives and YET still be condemned by his brothers in Christ. 
Just annoys me Stephen63. If we could alll just be a little bit like Billy Graham and effect people for Christ in our small radius of influence in our lives, the world would be a much better place. When you and others who condemn your brothers and sisters in Christ can do that,.... then come back and maybe there would be some merit to your opinions. But until then., you guys are just annoying.
Just annoys me Stephen63. If we could alll just be a little bit like Billy Graham and effect people for Christ in our small radius of influence in our lives, the world would be a much better place. When you and others who condemn your brothers and sisters in Christ can do that,.... then come back and maybe there would be some merit to your opinions. But until then., you guys are just annoying.
This is NOT just a little glitch in his doctrine..... It's total heresy to say one can get to heaven without knowing Jesus Christ.
Quotes by Graham over the years:
On the Phil Donahue show on 10-11-79, he said that pope John Paul II was someone that he could quote with "some real authority." He also said that the world was looking for a spiritual leader and that the pope didn't pull any punches.
The Lutheran Standard in October 1967....."I do believe that something happens at the baptism of an infant... we cannot fully understand the mysteries of God, but I believe that a miracle can happen in these children so that they are regenerated, that is, MADE CHRISTIAN, THROUGH INFANT BAPTISM."
The Orlando Sentinel, April 10, 1983....."I think people have a hard time believing God is going to allow people to burn in literal fire forever. I think the fire that is mentioned in the Bible is a burning thirst for God that can never be quenched."
United Church Observer, July 1, 1966- "While I certainly believe that Jesus Christy was born of a virgin, I do not find anywhere in the New Testament that the particular belief is necessary for personal salvation."
The Star, April 10, 1979- "I've never cast the demon out of anyone. I don't have the power, and I'm not sure anyone does."
March 8, 1979- National Enquirer- Regarding the Pope, Graham said, "He'll be warmly greeted because he's such a down-to-earth, fun-loving man who creates friends wherever he goes. I firmly feel Pope John Paul II will be the most respected pope of the century and he'll become the moral leader of the world."
The video that cannot be denied:
[video=youtube;axxlXy6bLH0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axxlXy6bLH0[/video]
So.... tell me HOW a christian with DECADES of ministry & experience NEVER change his beliefs & rid himself of heresy?
Tell me HOW the world, including the gay community, muslim countries, & the RCC all love this man, when the scriptures proclaim true christians will be hated?
Tell me HOW Graham could proclaim that Bill Clinton was a christian who missed his calling, & should have been an evangelist? Sheesh!
Anyone who can't see the truth about Graham obviously has their eyes closed.
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http://youtu.be/VWv1jiWC4b0
i don't know how to put the video in there, but I think you are just taking a snippet of info
i don't know how to put the video in there, but I think you are just taking a snippet of info
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Sure, people can have bad doctrine in their beliefs..... but over time & with spiritual growth, many are discarded. Not with Graham..... He taught in the 60's till he retired that people can be saved in other religions & without knowing Christ.
This is NOT just a little glitch in his doctrine..... It's total heresy to say one can get to heaven without knowing Jesus Christ.
Quotes by Graham over the years:
On the Phil Donahue show on 10-11-79, he said that pope John Paul II was someone that he could quote with "some real authority." He also said that the world was looking for a spiritual leader and that the pope didn't pull any punches.
The Lutheran Standard in October 1967....."I do believe that something happens at the baptism of an infant... we cannot fully understand the mysteries of God, but I believe that a miracle can happen in these children so that they are regenerated, that is, MADE CHRISTIAN, THROUGH INFANT BAPTISM."
The Orlando Sentinel, April 10, 1983....."I think people have a hard time believing God is going to allow people to burn in literal fire forever. I think the fire that is mentioned in the Bible is a burning thirst for God that can never be quenched."
United Church Observer, July 1, 1966- "While I certainly believe that Jesus Christy was born of a virgin, I do not find anywhere in the New Testament that the particular belief is necessary for personal salvation."
The Star, April 10, 1979- "I've never cast the demon out of anyone. I don't have the power, and I'm not sure anyone does."
March 8, 1979- National Enquirer- Regarding the Pope, Graham said, "He'll be warmly greeted because he's such a down-to-earth, fun-loving man who creates friends wherever he goes. I firmly feel Pope John Paul II will be the most respected pope of the century and he'll become the moral leader of the world."
The video that cannot be denied:
[video=youtube;axxlXy6bLH0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axxlXy6bLH0[/video]
So.... tell me HOW a christian with DECADES of ministry & experience NEVER change his beliefs & rid himself of heresy?
Tell me HOW the world, including the gay community, muslim countries, & the RCC all love this man, when the scriptures proclaim true christians will be hated?
Tell me HOW Graham could proclaim that Bill Clinton was a christian who missed his calling, & should have been an evangelist? Sheesh!
Anyone who can't see the truth about Graham obviously has their eyes closed.
This is NOT just a little glitch in his doctrine..... It's total heresy to say one can get to heaven without knowing Jesus Christ.
Quotes by Graham over the years:
On the Phil Donahue show on 10-11-79, he said that pope John Paul II was someone that he could quote with "some real authority." He also said that the world was looking for a spiritual leader and that the pope didn't pull any punches.
The Lutheran Standard in October 1967....."I do believe that something happens at the baptism of an infant... we cannot fully understand the mysteries of God, but I believe that a miracle can happen in these children so that they are regenerated, that is, MADE CHRISTIAN, THROUGH INFANT BAPTISM."
The Orlando Sentinel, April 10, 1983....."I think people have a hard time believing God is going to allow people to burn in literal fire forever. I think the fire that is mentioned in the Bible is a burning thirst for God that can never be quenched."
United Church Observer, July 1, 1966- "While I certainly believe that Jesus Christy was born of a virgin, I do not find anywhere in the New Testament that the particular belief is necessary for personal salvation."
The Star, April 10, 1979- "I've never cast the demon out of anyone. I don't have the power, and I'm not sure anyone does."
March 8, 1979- National Enquirer- Regarding the Pope, Graham said, "He'll be warmly greeted because he's such a down-to-earth, fun-loving man who creates friends wherever he goes. I firmly feel Pope John Paul II will be the most respected pope of the century and he'll become the moral leader of the world."
The video that cannot be denied:
[video=youtube;axxlXy6bLH0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axxlXy6bLH0[/video]
So.... tell me HOW a christian with DECADES of ministry & experience NEVER change his beliefs & rid himself of heresy?
Tell me HOW the world, including the gay community, muslim countries, & the RCC all love this man, when the scriptures proclaim true christians will be hated?
Tell me HOW Graham could proclaim that Bill Clinton was a christian who missed his calling, & should have been an evangelist? Sheesh!
Anyone who can't see the truth about Graham obviously has their eyes closed.
I listened to your link and it is lacking a lot. Especially since BillyGraham has more than proved himself all these years I would not throw him under the bus for the link you posted not by a long shot. I've listened to Joyce Meyer, Joel O. Billy Graham, David Jeremiah, Chuck Swindol., J.Vernon McGee., Radio Bible class., John MacGarther, WMHR radio., Charles Stanley, Andy Stanley., tons of others and as many as there are Christians who are in the public eye, there are even more people who find fault. We will never agree 100% with anyone because no one but God is perfect.
If someone had my life up on youtube and everything I ever said there for all to see I would certainly not be able to hold my head up. So for these Christians who are in the public eye 24/7 to even still be around I prefer to give them a lot of GRACE instead of a lot of condemnation.
Again. Graham would not have been loved in ancient Pagan Rome.
If we are going to talk about the Roman Catholic Church, then Graham would not have fared well during the Dark Ages (Inquisitions et al);
but he did fare well during the Ecumenical period of the RCC (since the 1960's), secret societies or not.
If we are going to talk about the Roman Catholic Church, then Graham would not have fared well during the Dark Ages (Inquisitions et al);
but he did fare well during the Ecumenical period of the RCC (since the 1960's), secret societies or not.
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Sure, people can have bad doctrine in their beliefs..... but over time & with spiritual growth, many are discarded. Not with Graham..... He taught in the 60's till he retired that people can be saved in other religions & without knowing Christ.
This is NOT just a little glitch in his doctrine..... It's total heresy to say one can get to heaven without knowing Jesus Christ.
Quotes by Graham over the years:
On the Phil Donahue show on 10-11-79, he said that pope John Paul II was someone that he could quote with "some real authority." He also said that the world was looking for a spiritual leader and that the pope didn't pull any punches.
The Lutheran Standard in October 1967....."I do believe that something happens at the baptism of an infant... we cannot fully understand the mysteries of God, but I believe that a miracle can happen in these children so that they are regenerated, that is, MADE CHRISTIAN, THROUGH INFANT BAPTISM."
The Orlando Sentinel, April 10, 1983....."I think people have a hard time believing God is going to allow people to burn in literal fire forever. I think the fire that is mentioned in the Bible is a burning thirst for God that can never be quenched."
United Church Observer, July 1, 1966- "While I certainly believe that Jesus Christy was born of a virgin, I do not find anywhere in the New Testament that the particular belief is necessary for personal salvation."
The Star, April 10, 1979- "I've never cast the demon out of anyone. I don't have the power, and I'm not sure anyone does."
March 8, 1979- National Enquirer- Regarding the Pope, Graham said, "He'll be warmly greeted because he's such a down-to-earth, fun-loving man who creates friends wherever he goes. I firmly feel Pope John Paul II will be the most respected pope of the century and he'll become the moral leader of the world."
The video that cannot be denied:
[video=youtube;axxlXy6bLH0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axxlXy6bLH0[/video]
So.... tell me HOW a christian with DECADES of ministry & experience NEVER change his beliefs & rid himself of heresy?
Tell me HOW the world, including the gay community, muslim countries, & the RCC all love this man, when the scriptures proclaim true christians will be hated?
Tell me HOW Graham could proclaim that Bill Clinton was a christian who missed his calling, & should have been an evangelist? Sheesh!
Anyone who can't see the truth about Graham obviously has their eyes closed.
This is NOT just a little glitch in his doctrine..... It's total heresy to say one can get to heaven without knowing Jesus Christ.
Quotes by Graham over the years:
On the Phil Donahue show on 10-11-79, he said that pope John Paul II was someone that he could quote with "some real authority." He also said that the world was looking for a spiritual leader and that the pope didn't pull any punches.
The Lutheran Standard in October 1967....."I do believe that something happens at the baptism of an infant... we cannot fully understand the mysteries of God, but I believe that a miracle can happen in these children so that they are regenerated, that is, MADE CHRISTIAN, THROUGH INFANT BAPTISM."
The Orlando Sentinel, April 10, 1983....."I think people have a hard time believing God is going to allow people to burn in literal fire forever. I think the fire that is mentioned in the Bible is a burning thirst for God that can never be quenched."
United Church Observer, July 1, 1966- "While I certainly believe that Jesus Christy was born of a virgin, I do not find anywhere in the New Testament that the particular belief is necessary for personal salvation."
The Star, April 10, 1979- "I've never cast the demon out of anyone. I don't have the power, and I'm not sure anyone does."
March 8, 1979- National Enquirer- Regarding the Pope, Graham said, "He'll be warmly greeted because he's such a down-to-earth, fun-loving man who creates friends wherever he goes. I firmly feel Pope John Paul II will be the most respected pope of the century and he'll become the moral leader of the world."
The video that cannot be denied:
[video=youtube;axxlXy6bLH0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axxlXy6bLH0[/video]
So.... tell me HOW a christian with DECADES of ministry & experience NEVER change his beliefs & rid himself of heresy?
Tell me HOW the world, including the gay community, muslim countries, & the RCC all love this man, when the scriptures proclaim true christians will be hated?
Tell me HOW Graham could proclaim that Bill Clinton was a christian who missed his calling, & should have been an evangelist? Sheesh!
Anyone who can't see the truth about Graham obviously has their eyes closed.
Well friend,you did indeed miss it.
He is not preaching some other way.listen to his sermons. What he IS SAYING is that a buddhist,muslim,or some remote native can receive salvation and not know the name of Jesus,even though they encountered him.
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yes, that's exactly how I took it. I even went to YouTube and read the conversation that took place between them, I don't know why part of it was missing. Before I was saved, I knew I was searching for something I just didn't know what name or thing it was. Most people believe in s higher power, but you do have to seek out Jesus to know the Father, it's just sometimes you don't know who or what youre seeking
It NEVER says ANYTHING about encountering Christ at all. Imaging someone encountering the Lord & He never identifies Himself..... what would have been His purpose to show Himself without IDENTIFYING Himself in da first place?
He says in 1:50- on the following:
Dr. Schuller: "Tell me, what is the future of Christianity?"
Dr. Graham: "Well, Christianity and being a true believer, you know, I think there's the body of Christ which comes from all the Christian groups around the world, or outside the Christian groups. I think that everybody that loves Christ or knows Christ, whether they're conscious of it or not, they're members of the body of Christ. And I don't think that we're going to see a great sweeping revival that will turn the whole world to Christ at any time."
"What God is doing today is calling people out of the world for His name. Whether they come from the Muslim world, or the Buddhist world, or the Christian world, or the non-believing world, they are members of the body of Christ because they've been called by God. They may not even know the name of Jesus, but they know in their hearts they need something that they don't have and they turn to the only light they have and I think they're saved and they're going to be with us in heaven."
Dr. Schuller: "What I hear you saying is thatit's possible for Jesus Christ to come into a human heart and soul and life even if they've been born in darkness and have never had exposure to the Bible. Is that a correct interpretation of what you're saying?"
Dr. Graham: "Yes it is because I believe that. I've met people in various parts of the world in tribal situations that they have never seen a Bible or heard about a Bible, have never heard of Jesus but they've believed in their hearts that there is a God and they tried to live a life that was quite apart from the surrounding community in which they lived."
Dr. Schuller: "This is fantastic. I'm so thrilled to hear you say that. There's a wideness in God's mercy.
Dr. Graham: There is. There definitely is."
Now, how do you think people who believe in any god & live good moral lives are gonna go to heaven?
That means Jehovah's Witnesses & Mormons are going to heaven. Wiccans & white witches are going, too. Buddhists & Muslims are now going. New agers are going.
This video states plainly that people that don't know Christ at all, but are serving a god of some kind, are going to heaven because they're called by the God of Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob. That is blasphemy.
I wouldn't DARE insult my Heavenly Father or my Savior like that.
Now, what does that say for those who would dare stand with such an individual?
I'm not proving this to turn dissenters around..... no, no..... I'm showing all our dear readers what people will do to cover up such an obvious heretic as Graham. That's all. And now I'm done.
But..... it does makes one wonder why certain people would ignore & cover up such damning evidence, yes?
Another note: This video was done in 1997. Graham has NEVER made a single public statement denying it nor explaining it.
John 14:6 (KJV) Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Dr. Schuller: "Tell me, what is the future of Christianity?"
Dr. Graham: "Well, Christianity and being a true believer, you know, I think there's the body of Christ which comes from all the Christian groups around the world, or outside the Christian groups. I think that everybody that loves Christ or knows Christ, whether they're conscious of it or not, they're members of the body of Christ. And I don't think that we're going to see a great sweeping revival that will turn the whole world to Christ at any time."
"What God is doing today is calling people out of the world for His name. Whether they come from the Muslim world, or the Buddhist world, or the Christian world, or the non-believing world, they are members of the body of Christ because they've been called by God. They may not even know the name of Jesus, but they know in their hearts they need something that they don't have and they turn to the only light they have and I think they're saved and they're going to be with us in heaven."
Dr. Schuller: "What I hear you saying is thatit's possible for Jesus Christ to come into a human heart and soul and life even if they've been born in darkness and have never had exposure to the Bible. Is that a correct interpretation of what you're saying?"
Dr. Graham: "Yes it is because I believe that. I've met people in various parts of the world in tribal situations that they have never seen a Bible or heard about a Bible, have never heard of Jesus but they've believed in their hearts that there is a God and they tried to live a life that was quite apart from the surrounding community in which they lived."
Dr. Schuller: "This is fantastic. I'm so thrilled to hear you say that. There's a wideness in God's mercy.
Dr. Graham: There is. There definitely is."
Now, how do you think people who believe in any god & live good moral lives are gonna go to heaven?
That means Jehovah's Witnesses & Mormons are going to heaven. Wiccans & white witches are going, too. Buddhists & Muslims are now going. New agers are going.
This video states plainly that people that don't know Christ at all, but are serving a god of some kind, are going to heaven because they're called by the God of Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob. That is blasphemy.
I wouldn't DARE insult my Heavenly Father or my Savior like that.
Now, what does that say for those who would dare stand with such an individual?
I'm not proving this to turn dissenters around..... no, no..... I'm showing all our dear readers what people will do to cover up such an obvious heretic as Graham. That's all. And now I'm done.
But..... it does makes one wonder why certain people would ignore & cover up such damning evidence, yes?
Another note: This video was done in 1997. Graham has NEVER made a single public statement denying it nor explaining it.
John 14:6 (KJV) Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; [SUP]2 [/SUP]Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer(1 Timothy 4:1-5).
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables(2 Timothy 4:2-4).
It will get worse and more popular with that occult interpretation of the Bible,which eventually will deceive the world,and all religions will accept,and be the main theme of the coming unified religious system that the Pope is now pushing for.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer(1 Timothy 4:1-5).
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables(2 Timothy 4:2-4).
It will get worse and more popular with that occult interpretation of the Bible,which eventually will deceive the world,and all religions will accept,and be the main theme of the coming unified religious system that the Pope is now pushing for.
In the old days before Christianity it was out in the open because that is what they believed and it was not frowned upon in society,especially when that is how the king,and government,and religion,operated,believing such things came from God.
With Christianity becoming so popular and that operation of God that frowns upon such practices,and is popular in the world,it is kind of frowned upon by many people,and although Islam is contray to Christianity they still do not like things of the occult,and Asia does not seem to be occult like in the old days,so in general the occult is not so popular in the world.
That is why secret socities have to be secret because their ways are so extreme that mainstream society would not accept them,so they cannot come right out and say what they want and what they are doing,and since the beast kingdom is of the occult they can only move as fast as the masses of people will accept to get that back out in mainstream society.
So the people of the occult in the secret,inner circle,will throw out an outer circle that is lightly occult,like the new age movement,even throwing out an interpretation of the Bible according to that,an interpretation that appears to be the truth but is slightly occult,not too extreme,and then allow it to grow from there,throwing out the occult more as time goes on,and the interpretation grows more according to the occult,which works on the lustful side of people,where at first it is slightly occult,but then in the future as their lusts grow,they can obtain godlike powers.
The secret,inner circle,that is extreme in the occult,will throw out an outer circle that is lightly occult,where to a lot of people it is not too threatening,sounds reasonable,sounds like what the Bible is saying,and then as time goes on the outer circle becomes more occult,and more occult,until the outer circle becomes the inner circle,or close enough to it,that the beast kingdom can come in to play,for then the extreme occult that mainstream society would not accept,will now accept it.
This is what the new age movement is about to teach an interpretation of the Bible that is lightly occult,and to get the occult out in society that will appear tolerable to people,and as time goes on tolerable to more people,and let it grow from there because their lusts will take off,for the occult is about people exalting themselves,which is minor at first,but will grow from there,exalting people,and diminishing Jesus,which John the Baptist said,I must decrease,but Christ must increase,but this occult interpretation of the Bible is doing the opposite,people will increase,and Christ will decrease,at least the Christ of the Bible,for they will exalt the New Age Christ if they go for that mumbo jumbo,and stay on that course.
With Christianity becoming so popular and that operation of God that frowns upon such practices,and is popular in the world,it is kind of frowned upon by many people,and although Islam is contray to Christianity they still do not like things of the occult,and Asia does not seem to be occult like in the old days,so in general the occult is not so popular in the world.
That is why secret socities have to be secret because their ways are so extreme that mainstream society would not accept them,so they cannot come right out and say what they want and what they are doing,and since the beast kingdom is of the occult they can only move as fast as the masses of people will accept to get that back out in mainstream society.
So the people of the occult in the secret,inner circle,will throw out an outer circle that is lightly occult,like the new age movement,even throwing out an interpretation of the Bible according to that,an interpretation that appears to be the truth but is slightly occult,not too extreme,and then allow it to grow from there,throwing out the occult more as time goes on,and the interpretation grows more according to the occult,which works on the lustful side of people,where at first it is slightly occult,but then in the future as their lusts grow,they can obtain godlike powers.
The secret,inner circle,that is extreme in the occult,will throw out an outer circle that is lightly occult,where to a lot of people it is not too threatening,sounds reasonable,sounds like what the Bible is saying,and then as time goes on the outer circle becomes more occult,and more occult,until the outer circle becomes the inner circle,or close enough to it,that the beast kingdom can come in to play,for then the extreme occult that mainstream society would not accept,will now accept it.
This is what the new age movement is about to teach an interpretation of the Bible that is lightly occult,and to get the occult out in society that will appear tolerable to people,and as time goes on tolerable to more people,and let it grow from there because their lusts will take off,for the occult is about people exalting themselves,which is minor at first,but will grow from there,exalting people,and diminishing Jesus,which John the Baptist said,I must decrease,but Christ must increase,but this occult interpretation of the Bible is doing the opposite,people will increase,and Christ will decrease,at least the Christ of the Bible,for they will exalt the New Age Christ if they go for that mumbo jumbo,and stay on that course.