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Praise God. For it is He who reveals the truth in His Word. (1 Cor 3:5-8)
"Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour."
"Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour."
@justbyfaith In answer to request to show that remission of sins is accomplished through water baptism INDEPENDENT of receiving the Holy Ghost...
The scriptural support was put in place quite awhile before Cornelius.
In John the Baptist's day,,,when Jesus hadn't been revealed even to John yet... when 100% trust in Jesus could not be done, and the Holy Ghost could not yet be given because Jesus had not yet been glorified.... John was given the task of water baptism with a purpose that was clearly stated in both Mark 1:4 and Luke 3:3 as it is written "John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. Mark 1:4 KJV
What that means is that remission of sins was scripturally proven to be available BEFORE either of the two things you've claimed are the cause for it.
If that blows your mind, GOOD...It should. But that is no excuse for disbelieving the scripture which states that John's baptism IN WATER is a function and manifestation of repentance to the accomplishment of remission of sins.
If you can't acknowledge the purpose of baptism when ONLY baptism was available, it is no wonder that you cannot acknowledge it when God then provides even more astounding details of salvation that you could get distracted by.
Water baptism doesn't provide the fullness of salvation, but it does produce the one piece (remission of sins) because Jesus indeed shed his blood to make the atonement.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
The scriptural support was put in place quite awhile before Cornelius.
In John the Baptist's day,,,when Jesus hadn't been revealed even to John yet... when 100% trust in Jesus could not be done, and the Holy Ghost could not yet be given because Jesus had not yet been glorified.... John was given the task of water baptism with a purpose that was clearly stated in both Mark 1:4 and Luke 3:3 as it is written "John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. Mark 1:4 KJV
What that means is that remission of sins was scripturally proven to be available BEFORE either of the two things you've claimed are the cause for it.
If that blows your mind, GOOD...It should. But that is no excuse for disbelieving the scripture which states that John's baptism IN WATER is a function and manifestation of repentance to the accomplishment of remission of sins.
If you can't acknowledge the purpose of baptism when ONLY baptism was available, it is no wonder that you cannot acknowledge it when God then provides even more astounding details of salvation that you could get distracted by.
Water baptism doesn't provide the fullness of salvation, but it does produce the one piece (remission of sins) because Jesus indeed shed his blood to make the atonement.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
Remission of sins was available before Jesus died through John's baptism as it is written:
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all." - Isaiah 53:6 KJV
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
"John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins." - Mark 1:4 KJV
This is possible because the sins(or debts for sin) were removed (remitted) from the sinner who was getting baptized...and those sins were placed on Jesus so Jesus could carry them to the cross for us....as it is written:All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all." - Isaiah 53:6 KJV
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
@justbyfaith the statement including "BEFORE either of the things you've claimed" was written towards @FreeGrace2 's claim, not yours. Just an FYI there. I should have written it more clearly.. something along the lines of :
"What that means is that remission of sins was scripturally proven to be available BEFORE either 100% trust in Jesus OR the receiving of the Holy Ghost."
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
"What that means is that remission of sins was scripturally proven to be available BEFORE either 100% trust in Jesus OR the receiving of the Holy Ghost."
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
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FreeGrace2 said:
I have refuted your flawed and misunderstanding of both Acts 2:38 and 39.
zzzzzzzzzzzz.
" It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs."
If there was a point to quoting this verse, please explain.
To correct those in need of correction is in no way a "dishonoring" of them. If I had called you a name, that would be a dishonor.
I have refuted your flawed and misunderstanding of both Acts 2:38 and 39.
zzzzzzzzzzzz.
" It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs."
If there was a point to quoting this verse, please explain.
To correct those in need of correction is in no way a "dishonoring" of them. If I had called you a name, that would be a dishonor.
Because he was saved and received the Spirit BEFORE he was water baptized.
If you had actually read ch 10 and 11, you would have realized that.
Regarding v.2 above, attempting to correct someone who is in error doesn't mean they lack charity.
Titus 1:13 - This saying is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith.
That is my hope.
Your views are NOT sound in the faith. And you have been shown the truth.
If you had actually read ch 10 and 11, you would have realized that.
Regarding v.2 above, attempting to correct someone who is in error doesn't mean they lack charity.
Titus 1:13 - This saying is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith.
That is my hope.
Your views are NOT sound in the faith. And you have been shown the truth.
FreeGrace2 said:
Cornelius refutes all of your notions.
Cornelius was saved and received the Spirit BEFORE ever being water baptized. That's how so.
Cornelius refutes all of your notions.
Cornelius was saved and received the Spirit BEFORE ever being water baptized. That's how so.
FreeGrace2 said:
Well, how about that!!??
You are now admitting that early Acts was "transitional". I made that point way back.
I pointed out early on that early Acts was transitional, but you weren't buying it.
Since you believe it is, why are you still holding on so tightly to Acts 2:38 then? Things were obviously different during the transitional period.
Well, how about that!!??
You are now admitting that early Acts was "transitional". I made that point way back.
I pointed out early on that early Acts was transitional, but you weren't buying it.
Since you believe it is, why are you still holding on so tightly to Acts 2:38 then? Things were obviously different during the transitional period.
Are your views like wansics? Or different? Maybe I'm getting you 2 mixed up.
What do you mean by "IT went like this"? What, exactly, "went like this"?
Above, you have baptism before receiving the Spirit. That's NOT what occurred with Cornelius, or what Paul taught the Galatian believers.
Do you believe that water baptism is required for soul salvation? I need to clear up who believes what.
Thanks.
What do you mean by "IT went like this"? What, exactly, "went like this"?
Above, you have baptism before receiving the Spirit. That's NOT what occurred with Cornelius, or what Paul taught the Galatian believers.
Do you believe that water baptism is required for soul salvation? I need to clear up who believes what.
Thanks.
FreeGrace2 said:
I am in DENIAL
What a low down dishonest move that was. Leaving out the REST of the sentence. But of course you were too dishonest to include the REST of the sentence. I am in total DENIAL of your views. That's what.
I am in DENIAL
What a low down dishonest move that was. Leaving out the REST of the sentence. But of course you were too dishonest to include the REST of the sentence. I am in total DENIAL of your views. That's what.