Saved by Water

[Charlie24]

There is a difference between what you say and what the Word actually expresses. The Word of God requires everyone to be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus for the remission of sin. Therefore when a person trusts that what God's Word says is true and responds in obedience to the command a spiritual reality occurs. This is only made possible through the shed blood of Jesus on Calvary.

Being baptized into Christ is in fact water baptism. (Romans 6:4-6, Col. 2:12-13) Think about what you, yourself, pointed out. "As you go down into the water you are buried with Christ, as you come up out of the water you are resurrected with Christ, a new man." This is a picture of one being reborn. A person must die in order to be born again. To relegate the rebirth experience in water baptism to a mere public display is to err.

It is the literal symbol of what spiritually happened inside the heart. But you will see it the way you want!

You have turned the salvation of God into works of a man, it is no longer grace, it will not be accepted by God!

 

[Wansvic]

And you my friend are making a ceremony performed by a man a necessity for salvation.

Why not address the scriptures presented?

Acts 22:15-16
For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.

And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

 

[Wansvic]

Man is saved by grace through faith, not by a ceremony depending on another man to perform for you!

Man saved by ceremony is a salvation of works, and what does Paul say about that?

Rom. 11:6

"And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work."

Yes, he is saved by grace through faith. He believes God's message in its entirety and obeys because he trusts what God says to be true.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Water takes sin away just like repentance does. Or do you think repentance does not take sin away?

The Bible is very clear about what results in sin forgiven.

Acts 10:43 - All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”

No water, no circumcision, no nothing else. Just believing in Him.

Same answer Paul gave the jailer who asked what he MUST DO to be saved.

"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved." Acts 16:31

The Bible is totally consistent. So those who think they have verses that add anything else to remission of sins, they are misunderstanding those verses.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Acts 22:16 and Acts 2:38, confirm that sins are washed away in obedience to water baptism.

I have repeatedly explained why those 2 verses were specific to the audience. But you just aren't listening.

Cornelius and Gal 3:2,5 REFUTE your wet theory.

And my point regarding Acts 10 is the statement in verse 43 becomes a reality in verse 48.

And now you've demonstrated that you are unable to read text accurately.

Peter only baptized Cornelius AFTER seeing the evidence that he had received the Holy Spirit.

Again, your theory is all wet.

 

[Wansvic]

not for salvation.

My point is you keep ignoring what the word actually says, And want to base your whole eternity on two or three verses. I just can't understands why you would do this. is not eternity to long to walk down a path based on so little evidence?

Acts 2:38 and 22:16 say otherwise.

Those who have not had sins remitted will not enter Heaven.

 

[Wansvic]

No different than the Jews and circumcision.

A ceremony performed by a mere man. in which paul called works.

not for salvation.

My point is you keep ignoring what the word actually says, And want to base your whole eternity on two or three verses. I just can't understands why you would do this. is not eternity to long to walk down a path based on so little evidence?

The Word of God does not contradict itself. Obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus is for remission of sin according to the Word. Whether a people chooses to accept it as the truth is another matter altogether.

The Word expressly states that the truth concerning any topic can be seen through the existence of 2-3 scriptures that state the same thing. Acts 2:38 and 22:16 meet this requirement. This in no way negates the need to believe in Jesus. The two rely upon each other. And as such, there is no contradiction.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Acts 2:38 and 22:16 say otherwise.

Those who have not had sins remitted will not enter Heaven.

Your right.

But remission is by the blood. Not water.

But believe what you want.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

The Word of God does not contradict itself. Obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus is for remission of sin according to the Word. Whether a people chooses to accept it as the truth is another matter altogether.

The Word expressly states that the truth concerning any topic can be seen through the existence of 2-3 scriptures that state the same thing. Acts 2:38 and 22:16 meet this requirement. This in no way negates the need to believe in Jesus. The two rely upon each other. And as such, there is no contradiction.

I am done with this

As I said, I did not come here to argue.

Good day sir.

 

[SophieT]

I do not ignore what Jesus said in Matthew it is confirmed by how the apostles baptized. Sadly you just don't see it. What's the name?

Now back to the question. Are there any scriptures were the apostles baptized people using the phrase " I baptize you in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost?

go read Revelation

I think your type of religion is in there...the kind that is not approved by the author of our salvation

 

[SophieT]

Water takes sin away just like repentance does. Or do you think repentance does not take sin away?

ridiculous.

 

[peldom10]

I continue to be amazed at the left's failure to consider facts.....yes...in scriptures studies also.
WOW!

 

[SophieT]

I am done with this

As I said, I did not come here to argue.

Good day sir.

none of these water washer folk have ever shown what they believe to be true

the intent is to convince others they are right and not to have an actual discussion

 

[SophieT]

There is a difference between what you say and what the Word actually expresses. The Word of God requires everyone to be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus for the remission of sin. Therefore when a person trusts that what God's Word says is true and responds in obedience to the command a spiritual reality occurs. This is only made possible through the shed blood of Jesus on Calvary.

Being baptized into Christ is in fact water baptism. (Romans 6:4-6, Col. 2:12-13) Think about what you, yourself, pointed out. "As you go down into the water you are buried with Christ, as you come up out of the water you are resurrected with Christ, a new man." This is a picture of one being reborn. A person must die in order to be born again. To relegate the rebirth experience in water baptism to a mere public display is to err.

this is heresy and I don't know why you have not yet been shown the door

we are baptized into Christ by the Holy Spirit

you are teaching heresy with your water nonsense

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

none of these water washer folk have ever shown what they believe to be true

the intent is to convince others they are right and not to have an actual discussion

its crazy, and sad.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

this is heresy and I don't know why you have not yet been shown the door

we are baptized into Christ by the Holy Spirit

you are teaching heresy with your water nonsense

Sadly, I wish the translators actually translated the word instead of transliterate it.. They made a religious term. and everyone automatically assumes water..

 

[Wansvic]

I have repeatedly explained why those 2 verses were specific to the audience. But you just aren't listening.

Cornelius and Gal 3:2,5 REFUTE your wet theory.


And now you've demonstrated that you are unable to read text accurately.

Peter only baptized Cornelius AFTER seeing the evidence that he had received the Holy Spirit.

Again, your theory is all wet.

I have not ignored you. However, I choose to accept what the Word actually expresses.

As to the Galatian scriptures, you conflate two separate issues. Paul's comments in Gal 3:2,5 are specific to receiving the Holy Spirit. And actually address the fact that following OT laws in no way brings about the receiving of the Holy Spirit. Although that scripture is not addressing water baptism the same holds true. Having one's sins remitted in water baptism in the name of the Lord is a NT requirement that requires one's faith and in no way relies on one keeping OT laws.

As seen in the record concerning Cornelius, the group receives the Holy Ghost/Spirit, and afterward submits to water baptism in the name of the Lord having their sins remitted according to what scriptures Acts 2:38 and 22:16 convey. As well as what Peter stated in verse 43. Each of the experiences had nothing to do with keeping OT laws.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Acts 2:38 and 22:16 say otherwise.

Again, to a specific audience. The biblical pattern for everyone else is found in the case of Cornelius and Gal 3:2,5.

Those who have not had sins remitted will not enter Heaven.

True. And acts 10:43 tells us HOW to get they remitted. Believing in Christ.

 

[peldom10]

The Bible is very clear about what results in sin forgiven.

Acts 10:43 - All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”

No water, no circumcision, no nothing else. Just believing in Him.

Same answer Paul gave the jailer who asked what he MUST DO to be saved.

"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved." Acts 16:31

The Bible is totally consistent. So those who think they have verses that add anything else to remission of sins, they are misunderstanding those verses.

If you believe ...you will be baptized. It's called complying with God's commandments.....being righteous.

 

[FreeGrace2]

I have not ignored you. However, I choose to accept what the Word actually expresses.

You are kidding no one. The story of Cornelius and Gal 3:2,5 prove that the Spirit is received on the basis of faith. No water.

As to the Galatian scriptures, you conflate two separate issues.

The 2 verses are as clear as can be. Paul asked them HOW they received the Spirit. How would you have answered the 2 questions: v.2 and v.5.

Paul's comments in Gal 3:2,5 are specific to receiving the Holy Spirit.

But you've been claiming one receives the Spirit through water baptism.