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[BlueAngel]

So, if I truly believed that I should be Mormon... What would you do?

 

[SpaceCowboy]

How much has this one person infulenced what you believe to be truth is the question. Are you looking for the truth about Jesus Christ or a reason to be led by someone other then the Lord?

If you honestly did as much objective research on the religion of mormonism there would be no doubt in your mind that its a crock. But mormonism has an emotional connection to it because of this guy.

Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Your being led astray by your desires. Don't be fooled. When desire sets in your heart, it turns to sin real quick.

Take heed.

 

[BlueAngel]

I've looked into everything I've been able to, and found that everything was a lie about something that never happened.
I'm not being led astray by my desires. This has nothing to do with the guy. I could and would, leave him in a heartbeat, if that's what God wanted me to do.

 

[SpaceCowboy]

What do you want then?

 

[Jullianna]

I've come to him with this too! He looked at it, and pointed out everything that was wrong. He told me, again that you have to dig really deep to find something that's actually true about the Mormons, because there are so many lies from people who haven't even seen what Mormons are like. They say they know it to be true, but they don't!
They use the Book of Mormon, second only to the Bible, as a mater of fact, I haven't seen this guy use the book of Mormon once... Not even when he's trying to prove to me that all of this junk on the internet is wrong.
He hasn't tried pushing me to read the book, I haven't asked, he hasn't even mentioned it. Every time I bring it up, he says "I'm not trying to prove the book to you, I don't need the stinkin' book to show you".
All this stuff about Joseph Smith was made by people who hated him, and would make up stories about him. The thing with the plates, was not that he would make up different ways he got them, but he'd hide them, so people wouldn't abuse them. The different stories, came from the different times he'd bring them out to translate them.
Other people did see the plates, there were at least eight others who saw them, and gave a written report on them, with their signatures.

^this sounds a whole lot like this to me:

Genesis 3

1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’? ”

2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”
4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

 

[kayem77]

BlueAngel it concerns me that it seems as if you already have made a decision, despite knowing that you can't reconcile Jesus Christ with any other religion, because you can't simply compromise The Truth because it wouldn't be Truth anymore.

I reccomend that you check the website Ugly provided, since it has a lot of information about the actual teachings of the LDS Church, and I assure you the reason why most Christians don't agree with the LDS Church is simply because their teaching differ from those of the Bible. Just because someone is sweet and a good person,and is zealous for his faith doesn't mean he has the truth.
Paul was a very zealous pharisee too, remember?

I was advancing in Judaism beyond many Jews of my own age and was extremely zealous for the traditions of my fathers. Galatians 1:14

What's funny is that before that verse he was speaking about people causing confusion with a different gospel (Gal 1:6-8). I won't judge the guy you are talking about, he may as well be very nice and sweet , but I can tell you that what the LDS Church is not the same gospel our JesusChrist or his apostles preached.
You said you are afraid of knowing God's answer, why is that? don't you think that feeling of confusion may as well be God telling you something?

I remember talking to a Mormon friend of my mom once, we talked for over 2 o 3 hours about religion, and I remember asking her about the differences I found on websites and books, and she kept on saying that it was all misunderstood.
When I mentioned the books they use : The Book of Mormon, the Covenants & Doctrines and The Pearl of Great Price ( all 3 of them written by Joseph Smith), she denied the existence of the latter two,which was rather confusing. But I looked into Mormon websites and I noticed something....they are not that mentioned, and even new converts ignore their existence, but they are part of the Mormon Faith and Joseph Smith( the ''Prophet'') actually wrote those books:
Book of Mormon | LDS.org <------LDS official website

I won't even tell you some of the stuff those books say, since you mentioned that you already did some research, and if you did, that concerns me even more because those teachings simply cannot be reconciled with who our God is.

I suggest that you time a time for yourself to read the Bible, pray, and seek God. Root yourself in the Truth, and God will bring everything to light. Jesus commanded us to love one another, but he also said that the loving the world shouldn't be above loving Him. God cannot be found where lies are found, no matter how good or how true the lies may seem.

With that said, I really hope you aren't being led astray, my intentions are not to demonize your friend or Mormons in general, but sometimes love involves correction. God bless you

 

[Jullianna]

So, if I truly believed that I should be Mormon... What would you do?

I would stop talking with the person who was trying to proselytize me, bury myself in the Word and in prayer and let God show me the truth.

A cult is a cult is a cult and they are very good at teaching their people how to indoctrinate others. Don't fall victim to it. I truly hope you thoroughly read those links.

 

[Jullianna]

BlueAngel it concerns me that it seems as if you already have made a decision, despite knowing that you can't reconcile Jesus Christ with any other religion, because you can't simply compromise The Truth because it wouldn't be Truth anymore.

I reccomend that you check the website Ugly provided, since it has a lot of information about the actual teachings of the LDS Church, and I assure you the reason why most Christians don't agree with the LDS Church is simply because their teaching differ from those of the Bible. Just because someone is sweet and a good person,and is zealous for his faith doesn't mean he has the truth.
Paul was a very zealous pharisee too, remember?

I was advancing in Judaism beyond many Jews of my own age and was extremely zealous for the traditions of my fathers. Galatians 1:14

What's funny is that before that verse he was speaking about people causing confusion with a different gospel (Gal 1:6-8). I won't judge the guy you are talking about, he may as well be very nice and sweet , but I can tell you that what the LDS Church is not the same gospel our JesusChrist or his apostles preached.
You said you are afraid of knowing God's answer, why is that? don't you think that feeling of confusion may as well be God telling you something?

I remember talking to a Mormon friend of my mom once, we talked for over 2 o 3 hours about religion, and I remember asking her about the differences I found on websites and books, and she kept on saying that it was all misunderstood.
When I mentioned the books they use : The Book of Mormon, the Covenants & Doctrines and The Pearl of Great Price ( all 3 of them written by Joseph Smith), she denied the existence of the latter two,which was rather confusing. But I looked into Mormon websites and I noticed something....they are not that mentioned, and even new converts ignore their existence, but they are part of the Mormon Faith and Joseph Smith( the ''Prophet'') actually wrote those books:
Book of Mormon | LDS.org <------LDS official website

I won't even tell you some of the stuff those books say, since you mentioned that you already did some research, and if you did, that concerns me even more because those teachings simply cannot be reconciled with who our God is.

I suggest that you time a time for yourself to read the Bible, pray, and seek God. Root yourself in the Truth, and God will bring everything to light. Jesus commanded us to love one another, but he also said that the loving the world shouldn't be above loving Him. God cannot be found where lies are found, no matter how good or how true the lies may seem.

With that said, I really hope you aren't being led astray, my intentions are not to demonize your friend or Mormons in general, but sometimes love involves correction. God bless you

I have known a mormon lady for 12 years and we have discussed these things many times. She is only now beginning to understand. Very well said, kayem.

 

[Ritter]

I know I have given this piece of advice many times, but now would be the time for you to stop seeing anyone.

Your confusion, Miss Angel, indicates that you are not yet solidified in your personal beliefs. Which is fine! You're 16, and should be open minded; though not so open minded that you let your brains fall out and have your heart jump from your chest.

Anecdotally, I was pursued by a Jehovah's Witness who tried to evangelize me. She was a nice lady who would do anything for me. This made the cult influence all the more difficult to handle. Her tactics were, incidentally, similar to those your prospect used. Here is the thing: when you are a heretic or member of a cult, the information you deal with is far more fluidic. As orthodox (lowercase o) Christians, we are at a disadvantage in the fact that we are not as free to "rationalize" as they are. They will have clarifications and explanations for everything you bring forward to the table, but to the trai\ned eye they are but one thing: distortions of their own doctrine.

I'll never forget when Glenn Beck, a Mormon,complained about Mike Huckabee's saying that in Mormonism Satan is the brother of Jesus. Mike was called "mullah" Huckabee in a derogatory fashion. Beck played the victim card with reckless abandon. Now, to the non-discerning individual the Mormon would seem to be the authority on what Mormon's do and do not believe, but Beck turned out either to be wrong or deceptive on that point of doctrine.

Suffice to say, Mormons are not Christians and it is clear by their founding that they cannot be, but they will use every justification to look like us in order to rope us in.

Be wise, spend some time away. Use this experience to reach him and others like him.

 

[Pheonix]

I've often heard christians say that we need to spend time finding the truth in the lie. This is absolutely wrong. The fact is we should spend our time finding the lie in the truth. If you want someone to believe a lie, you have two options.

1. Make the lie so massive its hard not to believe it, because its so ridiculous it must be true.
2. Take the truth and lace it with lies. If you've ever used rat poison you understand the concept. Alter the truth, make little changes to it so it looks right yet all the while you are consuming the truth you are also consuming the lies. They build up over time and before you know it, you are so lost and confused you can't find your way back without completely abandoning everything you believe and starting over again. Even then it takes a long time to get rid of the poison built up in your system.

Frankly BlueAngel it sounds like you have already made up your mind on the matter from the responses I've been seeing you make. What it comes down to is, will you follow God or yourself or someone else. As far as I'm concerned on the subject of Mormonism, it ends on this simple fact: They condone multiple wives. God says the elders are to be the husband of one wife. One period. Not 2 or 5 or 10, and before you mention remarriage after a death, its talking about one at a time. So the real question you need to ask is are you willing to share your husband with other women, because chances are at some point he will entertain the thought. Even if it isn't an official marriage.

 

[kayem77]

I know I have given this piece of advice many times, but now would be the time for you to stop seeing anyone.

Your confusion, Miss Angel, indicates that you are not yet solidified in your personal beliefs. Which is fine! You're 16, and should be open minded; though not so open minded that you let your brains fall out and have your heart jump from your chest.

Anecdotally, I was pursued by a Jehovah's Witness who tried to evangelize me. She was a nice lady who would do anything for me. This made the cult influence all the more difficult to handle. Her tactics were, incidentally, similar to those your prospect used. Here is the thing: when you are a heretic or member of a cult, the information you deal with is far more fluidic. As orthodox (lowercase o) Christians, we are at a disadvantage in the fact that we are not as free to "rationalize" as they are. They will have clarifications and explanations for everything you bring forward to the table, but to the trai\ned eye they are but one thing: distortions of their own doctrine.

I'll never forget when Glenn Beck, a Mormon,complained about Mike Huckabee's saying that in Mormonism Satan is the brother of Jesus. Mike was called "mullah" Huckabee in a derogatory fashion. Beck played the victim card with reckless abandon. Now, to the non-discerning individual the Mormon would seem to be the authority on what Mormon's do and do not believe, but Beck turned out either to be wrong or deceptive on that point of doctrine.

Suffice to say, Mormons are not Christians and it is clear by their founding that they cannot be, but they will use every justification to look like us in order to rope us in.

Be wise, spend some time away. Use this experience to reach him and others like him.

This is SO true...

 

[kayem77]

I have known a mormon lady for 12 years and we have discussed these things many times. She is only now beginning to understand. Very well said, kayem.

12 years of discussing the same thing...you may have thought that someone would take shorter time to realize...sadly sometimes it takes a life to discover the truth...

 

[Ugly]

No offense, but this is very wrong... People make covenants in the pre-mortality, to find each other and marry on earth. One of my youth leaders and her husband, knew they were 'meant for each other' when she was younger than me. They just waited until she was 18 to get married... There is a such thing as being intended for each other.
Another thing, confusion stems from the conflict between God spirit, and the natural man. Natural man is an enemy to God, and if the natural man is avoiding the truth, God's going to try prodding it.

Show me evidence in the bible of these things....
'pre-mortality'
'one person intended for another'
'confusion = conflict... and not satan.'
Be sure everything is in correct context, and no isolating scripture.

 

[lil_christian]

Kay, I'm kinda continuing this thread from another one, because I don't want to crowd the other one...

So,I met a Mormon dude, and he is perfect in every way, and I'm sure he is meant for me... But I won't leave my religion, and he won't leave his... What happens then? Would I have to leave the one God intended for me?

What happens if this dude is right, and God tells me to join this religion that so many are saying is a "cult"... what becomes of the friends that believe it's a cult, would they leave me alone because they don't understand?

So ultimately, if God tells me that it's right, I lose all the friends who think Mormonism is wrong.... I don't want that. I treasure all of my friends.

There are friends I have here, that think that Mormonism is from the devil. There are people all over the world who think that. There's so much stuff dissing Mormonism, it's hard for this guy to find any facts for me to go off of. He loves me, and I adore him, but this has been a problem for me, because I'm scared that if God tells me it's right for me to become a Mormon, my friends will think I've sold myself to the devil.
Honestly, I'm scared of Gods answer.
The guy keeps telling me that if my friends leave me just because of my religion, then they never were really my friends... But I don't want to lose any of them.
Whenever I get a friend, I make a place in my heart for them, and never want to let them out...

This is causing some distress, because I love God, and I want to ask him what's right, and I love this guy, and want to be with him, but I love my friends, and don't want to lose them...

Okay so I'm usually very hands-off when it comes to the Singles Forum, mainly because Christian Chat Rules say that you gotta be 18+ to post in here. And sometimes I'm hands-off about stuff like this too. mostly because I've never dated before. Though I can't say I'm ignorant on how relationships should work.

Okay, so first off, hate to burst your bubble, but most teenage relationships don't last. (Not like the 17/18+ relationships, but the 13-16 relationships.) To me, 8 or 9 times out of 10, they're practically a joke. They're not serious at all. It's just all stupid stuff they think is love but is really just infatuation.

Second thing is, if you have to change in order to be with him, he isn't it. If you have to compromise your morals, looks, or beliefs for him, he isn't it. Just as plain and simple as that. If he's the person that God wants for you, then you wouldn't need to change that.

Third and last, Mormonism, no matter how hard they try to make it look on the outside, it's bad on the inside. It doesn't line up with Scripture. At. All. I've read whole forums about it on CC before. and they claim that you can become a god yourself. Definitely not Scriptural. So I suggest you stay away from the doctrine/religion.

If this situation is truly causing THAT many issues, then I say stay away from it. He is NOT meant for you.

Well...there's my two cents. Hope that they're of worth...and I hope I don't get yelled at for posting in here. >.> And I also hope I don't sound harsh.

 

[Jullianna]

12 years of discussing the same thing...you may have thought that someone would take shorter time to realize...sadly sometimes it takes a life to discover the truth...

Cults are very good at what they do, presenting lies as truth, deception as love, wolves as sheep. They prey upon the desire of christians to be as loving as we all called, not realizing that we are also called to stand for the truth and to stand against evil.

I am also beginning to have a feeling that there are more deceptions in this thread than just the one regarding mormonism.

 

[BlueAngel]

Ok... so I finally got over myself, and prayed about it.
I was told no, so I called the guy, so he could come and talk to me. I told him how I felt, and he told me that he'd been doing some praying of his own.
So, we're both of the mind that Mormonism is terribly wrong, and he's being baptized this weekend...

 

[zeroturbulence]

Ok... so I finally got over myself, and prayed about it.
I was told no, so I called the guy, so he could come and talk to me. I told him how I felt, and he told me that he'd been doing some praying of his own.
So, we're both of the mind that Mormonism is terribly wrong, and he's being baptized this weekend...

THAT IS AWESOME!!!!!!!!

 

[BlueAngel]

I feel pretty good about it myself
The things you can do with Gods help is awesome.

 

[kayem77]

Ok... so I finally got over myself, and prayed about it.
I was told no, so I called the guy, so he could come and talk to me. I told him how I felt, and he told me that he'd been doing some praying of his own.
So, we're both of the mind that Mormonism is terribly wrong, and he's being baptized this weekend...

I feel like the guy on the picture Zeroturbulence posted

that's awesome! praise the Lord!
wait...he agreed Mormonism is wrong? he is being baptized as a Christian or as a Mormon? I got confused

 

[BlueAngel]

Lol... he agreed that Mormonism is wrong, and he's being baptized this weekend into the christian church.