Schizophrenia = Possession?

[7seasrekeyed]

Christian disciplines doesn't renew the mind. The renewal of the mind daily is not a "work," but a act of Faith placed exclusively in Gods beloved Son in whom He is please and what He accomplished at Calvary's Cross. Facts and reasoning, i.e., flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption (1 Cor. 15:50).

Most Christians are blinded (as you are) with a veil over their face by the misinterpretation of the scriptures as Israel was and is to the very day (a evil spirit is behind this - that puts the Christian in bondage). They make the scriptures as a duty, instead of faith alone. It has always been hard for a Christian man then and now to give up the works of the flesh. They want to do what the scriptures says to do with the flesh (Romans 8:13), instead of following Gods prescribe order of victory which is placing Faith exclusively in Christ and His Finished Work, i.e., The Cross, i.e., The Blood of Jesus; which then allows the Holy Spirit to accomplish and bring victory and do what needs to be done in the Christian life. The Holy Spirit only works in the perimeters of Christ and the Finished Work. (Romans 8:2). The "Law" says do - "Grace" says done!

The Holy Spirit warns us through Paul by stating, "For if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you either.. 22Take notice, therefore, of the kindness and severity of God: severity to those who fell, but kindness to you, if you continue in His kindness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. Romans 11:21-22

The letter kills (i.e., reading the scriptures and understanding the scriptures are two different things), but the Spirit brings life: This is why Jesus wept over Jerusalem because they have missed their opportunity (Luke 19:41-44).

Out of 603,550 men who were readied for war that came out of Egypt under the power of God (Numbers 1:44-46), only two took their inheritance; Joshua (a type of Christ) and Caleb (a type of the body of Christ) (Matthew 7:14). There is only one message that changes the body of Christ into the image of Christ, and that is Jesus Christ and Him Crucified.
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you could not have said it better if you open and closed the Bible at random places and strung verses together

oh wait...................

 

[7seasrekeyed]

​Don't confuse what love is. Jesus is, and was, and always will be the ultimate example of love. God is love. And yet that didn't stop the Lord from calling the Sadducees and the Pharisees what they were. He called them snakes, vipers, and two fold child of the Devil in the book of Matthew.

I have noticed that people who fall back on name calling and telling others they are not saved are usually quick to say Jesus did so I can too

can you do everything Jesus did?

no?

maybe you should control your emotional outbursts then because Jesus knew what He was talking about

you? not so much

 

[Dino246]

I wasn't being conflictive, just trying to understand your position.
You said viruses are physical substances and demons are spiritual entities, so it seems to me
like you're saying that a demon per se cannot be substantial, I.e., a physical manifestation?

Fair enough; I don't deny that demons can manifest in the physical world, but I reject the idea that a physical object can "be" a demon. From what I see in Scripture and have heard of in the real world, demons can affect or attach to physical entities, but not permanently become physical entities. That's the distinction.

 

[Dino246]

... Most Christians are blinded (as you are) with a veil over their face by the misinterpretation of the scriptures ...

Unsaved people with a seared conscious that are in the flesh make comments as you have.

(Preacher4truth) "That's an unChristian remark."

​Don't confuse what love is. Jesus is, and was, and always will be the ultimate example of love. God is love. And yet that didn't stop the Lord from calling the Sadducees and the Pharisees what they were. He called them snakes, vipers, and two fold child of the Devil in the book of Matthew.

You attack people who disagree with you, calling them unsaved, blinded, seared of conscience, and you have the nerve to call it "love". Man, you are deceived. When your posts are replete with arrogance, self-importance, and insults toward other believers, you aren't acting like Jesus.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

(Preacher4truth) "That's an unChristian remark."



You attack people who disagree with you, calling them unsaved, blinded, seared of conscience, and you have the nerve to call it "love". Man, you are deceived. When your posts are replete with arrogance, self-importance, and insults toward other believers, you aren't acting like Jesus.

Jesus says it like this, "You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye." Matthew 7:5 NIV

Paul said, "Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth?" Gal. 4:16 NIV

 

[Miri]

I wouldn’t rule out the spiritual completely, but there is a lot of evidence suggesting
it is a physical condition. The brain is very complex and things can go wrong with it and
our bodies. I know of two born again Christians with it. Incidentally people use to
think epilepsy was demon possession, now we know better.


https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/schizophrenia/causes/



Causes

The exact causes of schizophrenia are unknown. Research suggests a combination
of physical, genetic, psychological and environmental factors can make a person
more likely to develop the condition.
Some people may be prone to schizophrenia, and a stressful or emotional life event
might trigger a psychotic episode. However, it's not known why some people develop
symptoms while others don't.

Increased risk

Things that increase the chances of schizophrenia developing include:
Genetics

Schizophrenia tends to run in families, but no single gene is thought to be responsible.
It's more likely that different combinations of genes make people more vulnerable to the
condition. However, having these genes doesn't necessarily mean you'll develop
schizophrenia.
Evidence that the disorder is partly inherited comes from studies of twins. Identical
twins share the same genes.
In identical twins, if one twin develops schizophrenia, the other twin has a one in two
chance of developing it, too. This is true even if they're raised separately.
In non-identical twins, who have different genetic make-ups, when one twin develops
schizophrenia, the other only has a one in seven chance of developing the condition.
While this is higher than in the general population, where the chance is about 1 in 100,
it suggests genes aren't the only factor influencing the development of schizophrenia.

Brain development

Studies of people with schizophrenia have shown there are subtle differences in the
structure of their brains.
These changes aren't seen in everyone with schizophrenia and can occur in people who
don't have a mental illness. But they suggest schizophrenia may partly be a disorder of the brain.

Neurotransmitters

Neurotransmitters are chemicals that carry messages between brain cells.
There's a connection between neurotransmitters and schizophrenia because drugs that
alter the levels of neurotransmitters in the brain are known to relieve some of the
symptoms of schizophrenia.
Research suggests schizophrenia may be caused by a change in the level of two
neurotransmitters: dopamine and serotonin.
Some studies indicate an imbalance between the two may be the basis of the problem.
Others have found a change in the body's sensitivity to the neurotransmitters is part
of the cause of schizophrenia.

Pregnancy and birth complications

Research has shown people who develop schizophrenia are more likely to have
experienced complications before and during their birth, such as:

• a low birth weight
• premature labour
• a lack of oxygen (asphyxia) during birth

It may be that these things have a subtle effect on brain development.

Triggers

Triggers are things that can cause schizophrenia to develop in people who are at risk.
These include:

Stress

The main psychological triggers of schizophrenia are stressful life events, such as:

• bereavement
• losing your job or home
• divorce
• the end of a relationship
• physical, sexual or emotional abuse

These kinds of experiences, although stressful, don't cause schizophrenia. However, they
can trigger its development in someone already vulnerable to it.

Drug abuse

Drugs don't directly cause schizophrenia, but studies have shown drug misuse increases
the risk of developing schizophrenia or a similar illness.
Certain drugs, particularly cannabis, cocaine, LSD or amphetamines, may trigger
symptoms of schizophrenia in people who are susceptible.
Using amphetamines or cocaine can lead to psychosis, and can cause a relapse
in people recovering from an earlier episode.
Three major studies have shown teenagers under 15 who use cannabis regularly,
especially "skunk" and other more potent forms of the drug, are up to four times
more likely to develop schizophrenia by the age of 26.

 

[loveme1]

I have considered folks are housing evil spirits.. well it is written that a person can be.. yet we label folks with all sorts rather than cast out the devils.. we sedate the person and hold them in asylums or such..

I’m not going to delve for it is complex and the Lord gives us much insight on the matter.. yet if we turned up to cast out devils we would probably be thrown in and sedated also.. that is the way of the world so to speak.

 

[mj007]

Would you say any of those folks who house evil spirits are on this site?

I have considered folks are housing evil spirits.. well it is written that a person can be.. yet we label folks with all sorts rather than cast out the devils.. we sedate the person and hold them in asylums or such..

I’m not going to delve for it is complex and the Lord gives us much insight on the matter.. yet if we turned up to cast out devils we would probably be thrown in and sedated also.. that is the way of the world so to speak.

 

[beastslayer1970]

(Preacher4truth) "That's an unChristian remark."



You attack people who disagree with you, calling them unsaved, blinded, seared of conscience, and you have the nerve to call it "love". Man, you are deceived. When your posts are replete with arrogance, self-importance, and insults toward other believers, you aren't acting like Jesus.

You can tell people by who they follow. Swaggerites get vile this way, because their gods, Jimmy and his people, are this way.

 

[Nehemiah6]

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/schizophrenia/causes/

This is presumably the National Health Service, and there is a GLARING OMISSION if you will note. No mention of Satan, evil angels, evil spirits, or demons. So it is of any benefit to those who have a spiritual issue?

 

[jaybird88]

You can tell people by who they follow. Swaggerites get vile this way, because their gods, Jimmy and his people, are this way.

Swaggerites, lol.

how do people like swaggert come back, completely 100% exposed for who he really was yet he is bigger than ever. amazing.

 

[Angela53510]

Swaggerites, lol.

how do people like swaggert come back, completely 100% exposed for who he really was yet he is bigger than ever. amazing.

While this thread is not about Swaggart, you did remind me of when he fell. I was a pentecostal, and followed his ministry. When it came out what he had done, (especially after he always was so kind about his wife, and how wonderful she was in his sermons) I was shocked to my core.

But, I am not perfect, lust can be hard to deal with, although for a minister of the gospel with a huge ministry on TV??? Well, when he was told to step aside from his ministry by the denominational leaders, and he refused, that was the end. He was totally unaccountable. He had given into a terrible temptation, but his arrogance and inability to obey the very people he had asked for oversight, told me he was a liar and a schemer.

He planted those first seeds of distrust for me in the whole Pentecostal/Charismatic movement. I was a young Christian in those days, but even I saw that supposedly being "filled with the Holy Ghost and power" according to Swaggart, was a lie.

Of course, all Christians are filled with the Holy Spirit! But, that is the voice we must listen to! Swaggart obeyed his lusts for flesh, power and pride! How does anyone do that, while claiming the Holy Spirit is leading them in a special way? Beyond my comprehension!

 

[jaybird88]

While this thread is not about Swaggart, you did remind me of when he fell. I was a pentecostal, and followed his ministry. When it came out what he had done, (especially after he always was so kind about his wife, and how wonderful she was in his sermons) I was shocked to my core.

But, I am not perfect, lust can be hard to deal with, although for a minister of the gospel with a huge ministry on TV??? Well, when he was told to step aside from his ministry by the denominational leaders, and he refused, that was the end. He was totally unaccountable. He had given into a terrible temptation, but his arrogance and inability to obey the very people he had asked for oversight, told me he was a liar and a schemer.

He planted those first seeds of distrust for me in the whole Pentecostal/Charismatic movement. I was a young Christian in those days, but even I saw that supposedly being "filled with the Holy Ghost and power" according to Swaggart, was a lie.

Of course, all Christians are filled with the Holy Spirit! But, that is the voice we must listen to! Swaggart obeyed his lusts for flesh, power and pride! How does anyone do that, while claiming the Holy Spirit is leading them in a special way? Beyond my comprehension!

i remember my mamaw listening to Jimmy on the radio when i was a kid. i never really followed him. the only time i really liked him was when he stood up in front of everyone and admitted what he did. then i really didnt like him for refusing to step down. what an ego.

 

[oldethennew]

well said, Angela,

The Holy Spirit will not and cannot dwell within/alongside the devil and his minions
inside of a person, no matter how strong of a 'sooth-sayer-demonic worshiper.
powerful deceiver they are -
eventually their insides become their outsides, thus revealing just who they really serve,..

 

[7seasrekeyed]

While this thread is not about Swaggart, you did remind me of when he fell. I was a pentecostal, and followed his ministry. When it came out what he had done, (especially after he always was so kind about his wife, and how wonderful she was in his sermons) I was shocked to my core.

But, I am not perfect, lust can be hard to deal with, although for a minister of the gospel with a huge ministry on TV??? Well, when he was told to step aside from his ministry by the denominational leaders, and he refused, that was the end. He was totally unaccountable. He had given into a terrible temptation, but his arrogance and inability to obey the very people he had asked for oversight, told me he was a liar and a schemer.

He planted those first seeds of distrust for me in the whole Pentecostal/Charismatic movement. I was a young Christian in those days, but even I saw that supposedly being "filled with the Holy Ghost and power" according to Swaggart, was a lie.

Of course, all Christians are filled with the Holy Spirit! But, that is the voice we must listen to! Swaggart obeyed his lusts for flesh, power and pride! How does anyone do that, while claiming the Holy Spirit is leading them in a special way? Beyond my comprehension!

I have asked that same question so many times and seen people who have sinned deeply just go on, never apologize...just walk off and continue

what shall we think about that? are their consciences so seared over?

it is a real problem in some ministries and it underscores the need for discernment

this business of don't judge was probably started by the people that really need judgement on what they say and what they do

it is beyond comprehension as you say!

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Jesus says it like this, "You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye." Matthew 7:5 NIV

Paul said, "Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth?" Gal. 4:16 NIV

again Jesus knew what He was talking about and who He was speaking to

Paul suffered greatly for the truth he preached

you are simply an unknown on a Christian site spewing your disgust at people who disagree with what you say

comparing yourself to Jesus and Paul is silly at best and downright dangerous for you at worst, if you actually believe it

 

[Miri]

This is presumably the National Health Service, and there is a GLARING OMISSION if you will note. No mention of Satan, evil angels, evil spirits, or demons. So it is of any benefit to those who have a spiritual issue?

Have a look at my post again, I said I would not rule out the spiritual
entirely, but there are also lots of physical reasons etc, then posted the link
to show you what I mean .

 

[stillness]

12 years ago the Lord told me: enter in as a little child and put away your divided spirit.
The Lord tells us, "No man can serve 2 masters," referring to, divided between Love of God and love of money. This condition is more close to home than you realise. Revelation 3:15, sufficient of ourselves and not know our real need: from God's point of view, He is not in our life, "Behold I stand at the door and knock." In our case divided between Loving Him first or a woman. I have a woman friend like your, she has progressed greatly in the past year and helped me learn not to be codependent and learn to be content single and return to the Lord with my whole heart, a work in progress, at first it appeared to be like the enemy accusing me through her. When the enemy is given room in our divided spirit it will happen. But the enemy's power to deceive is paralyzed in thanksgiving to God and living in the light we have we get more light. It's not position by the enemy, but oppression he doesn't have that power but to deceive. In my friends case the stronghold had to do with the love of money.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Have a look at my post again, I said I would not rule out the spiritual entirely, but there are also lots of physical reasons etc, then posted the link to show you what I mean .

It is not the fact that you -- as a Christian -- understand that there is a spiritual dimension.

The point I was making is that the so-called experts (including the NHS which you quoted extensively) -- REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE -- the existence and influence of Satan, evil spirits, and demons. According to their modern secular *religion* of psychiatry, these entities do not exist and must not be taken into account. Which means that all of their advice in this connection is essentially worthless.

If the experts neglect and ignore what could possibly be the chief source of schizophrenia, then why should anyone listen to them? It would be just like a medical doctor claiming that the mycobacterium of tuberculosis does not exist, therefore he will never deal with the treatment of TB (which has been a major comeback recently in many parts of the world).

 

[Zmouth]

The point I was making is that the so-called experts (including the NHS which you quoted extensively) -- REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE -- the existence and influence of Satan, evil spirits, and demons.

Schizophrenia is a mental disorder characterized by abnormal social behavior and failure to understand what is real.

So which of the following demonstrates the existence of Satan?

1. ​the blind
2. the lame
3. the leper
4. the deaf
5. the resurrected
6. the poor

So which of the following demonstrates an evil spirit?

1. one who can't see
2. one who can't walk
3. one who has a disease
4. one who can't hear
5. one who is alive
6. one who doesn't have much money

Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; Luke 7:22