Scotland Referendum

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Petals said:
The last referendum was in 1979, & this one is in 2014.. so I would imagine the next one would probably be in a very long time from now, most ppl here in Scotland are saying it won't happen again in our lifetime, which makes me all the more disappointed, it was a once in a lifetime chance & yet we threw it away & all because ppl were afraid of change & the unknown.. I agree, it is the unknown, but me & the rest of the 45% that voted Yes was ready for change & for better things. I woke up this morning with that horrible feeling of - "Was that all just a dream". I can't believe it's all over now & we won't get this chance again.
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It's probable that the long-term economic and political ramifications of a sovereign Scotland would be generally negative. In my opinion, there's simply no justifiable reason to contend that independence would've been sensible. As succinctly stated by another poster in this thread, it's insanity.

There's a good chance the "change" you'd be looking forward to wouldn't be anything like you're unjustifiably romanticizing.
 
Lizathrose said:
It's probable that the long-term economic and political ramifications of a sovereign Scotland would be generally negative. In my opinion, there's simply no justifiable reason to contend that independence would've been sensible. As succinctly stated by another poster in this thread, it's insanity.

There's a good chance the "change" you'd be looking forward to wouldn't be anything like you're unjustifiably romanticizing.
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Fair enough, that's your opinion but there are many factors about living here which would make us vote Yes to independance, I could go on, but there is no point, cos whatever I say on here, I am hit with a negative comment & right now I don't need that. As I say, the Americans got their Independance from British rule many many years ago.. & now that the Scots are going for independance, you're all criticizing us about it, despite the fact that it's up to the Scottish ppl what they want for their future?
 
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"Unjustifiably Romanticizing?" Who are we to tell the people of Scotland whether or not they're justified or not? Both of us are American; therefore, we have no dog in the fight, and need to keep our opinions to ourselves, especially when they're inflammable.
 
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I am really sorry that the referendum didn't happen. I am even more sorry that people on here are not being supportive of what you are going through Petals.....did your parents ever tell you "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all." Come on guys....let's lift one another up...not put each other down!
 
Petals said:
The last referendum was in 1979, & this one is in 2014.. so I would imagine the next one would probably be in a very long time from now, most ppl here in Scotland are saying it won't happen again in our lifetime, which makes me all the more disappointed, it was a once in a lifetime chance & yet we threw it away & all because ppl were afraid of change & the unknown.. I agree, it is the unknown, but me & the rest of the 45% that voted Yes was ready for change & for better things. I woke up this morning with that horrible feeling of - "Was that all just a dream". I can't believe it's all over now & we won't get this chance again.
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It's unfair to say everyone who voted no was afraid of change. Some of them saw being British as a part of their identity in the same way you wish to simply be Scottish. I honestly think that was the more compelling argument to most of the "No" voters in spite of what your Prime Minister may tell you.

Petals said:
I'm sorry but technically speaking, I AM British AND I am also Scottish, we didn't get our independance so I still remain both British & Scottish, but had we got our independance then I would no longer be British, I would just be Scottish. This is a really hard time for me, & all I'm getting is negativity on here.
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blondensmart said:
It seems that a lot of people have opinions on this topic. Anyone who is Scottish and wanted to vote YES are devastated enough with the failure of the referendum. No need to rub salt in fresh wounds.
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I do not mean to rub salt in wounds. I know what it is like to bank a lot of emotions in an election. Probably better than anyone else on this forum.

This is, however, a forum of discussion. If you don't want someone to contend with your point of view, I would suggest staying out of the thread for a few days and do things you enjoy. When you are ready to participate in a discussion with people who may disagree with you, come back.

I'll state one more time for the record that my opinion was neither yes nor no. The fact your country held the referendum is sign enough that a dream far greater than Scottish independence; one that spread and secured freedom for half the earth's surface and a quarter of its population is now dead.
 
blondensmart said:
"Unjustifiably Romanticizing?" Who are we to tell the people of Scotland whether or not they're justified or not? Both of us are American; therefore, we have no dog in the fight, and need to keep our opinions to ourselves, especially when they're inflammable.
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blondensmart said:
It seems that a lot of people have opinions on this topic. Anyone who is Scottish and wanted to vote YES are devastated enough with the failure of the referendum. No need to rub salt in fresh wounds.
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stacky33083 said:
I am really sorry that the referendum didn't happen. I am even more sorry that people on here are not being supportive of what you are going through Petals.....did your parents ever tell you "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all." Come on guys....let's lift one another up...not put each other down!
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I'm not usually so brash, but this is pathetic.

There is another common colloquialism that states if you cannot stand the heat, get out of the fire.

While a measure of civility is to be expected in discussions like these, a serious topic demands serious evaluation.

And if you happen to believe Americans should have no interest in this topic, please see my long post from earlier in the day.
 
Petals said:
Fair enough, that's your opinion but there are many factors about living here which would make us vote Yes to independance, I could go on, but there is no point, cos whatever I say on here, I am hit with a negative comment & right now I don't need that. As I say, the Americans got their Independance from British rule many many years ago.. & now that the Scots are going for independance, you're all criticizing us about it, despite the fact that it's up to the Scottish ppl what they want for their future?
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For the record, this is pathetic too.

If there are reasonable reasons to leave, tell us the reasonable reasons why or at the very least post articles.

Instead of making a vague parallel between the Referendum and the American War for Independence, explain why we are being hypocritical.

It would be preferable to the whining.
 
Desdichado said:
For the record, this is pathetic too.

If there are reasonable reasons to leave, tell us the reasonable reasons why or at the very least post articles.

Instead of making a vague parallel between the Referendum and the American War for Independence, explain why we are being hypocritical.

It would be preferable to the whining.
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If you lived here, you would know the reasons why we would want our independance.. but since you don't live here, then you shouldn't dismiss us for wanting our independance, cos you're not us.
 
Desdichado said:
I'm not usually so brash, but this is pathetic.

There is another common colloquialism that states if you cannot stand the heat, get out of the fire.

While a measure of civility is to be expected in discussions like these, a serious topic demands serious evaluation.

And if you happen to believe Americans should have no interest in this topic, please see my long post from earlier in the day.
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Oh - and the "colloquialism" you are looking for is..."If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen." Not the fire.
 
I think your definition of whining is completely different to my & many other ppl's definition of the word whining, Desdichado, just sayin'.
 
Petals said:
I think your definition of whining is completely different to my & many other ppl's definition of the word whining, Desdichado, just sayin'.
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My threshold for it is lower than other people's, I'll give you that.
 
Desdichado said:
She's running into a common refuge of someone who is either unwilling or unable to provide an actual argument.

"Your opinion is invalid because x."
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But that is not whining....she is explaining herself....and she didn't sit around hoping for a yes. She went out door to door and talked to people...giving them facts.....so I am sorry but you don't know all that she did for the yes vote to pass.
 
stacky33083 said:
But that is not whining....she is explaining herself....and she didn't sit around hoping for a yes. She went out door to door and talked to people...giving them facts.....so I am sorry but you don't know all that she did for the yes vote to pass.
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She has not been forthcoming with the facts in this particular venue.

Is she obligated to post them? No. But her case would look better if she did.

And yes, invalidating someone else's point of view on vapid premises is whining.
 
Desdichado said:
She has not been forthcoming with the facts in this particular venue.

Is she obligated to post them? No. But her case would look better if she did.

And yes, invalidating someone else's point of view on vapid premises is whining.
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eerrmmm... your responses sound like whining to me... LOL
 
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