Secret Rapture or Second Coming?

[Psalm1]

You show yourself as really ignorant of what Historic Premillennialism teaches. Your hermeneutic is overly literalistic. You attitude is very pugnacious, unwilling to truly listen to another point of view. All signs of spiritual immaturity.

Try defending your doctrine.
You have not done so.
Stop worrying about how defective I am and debate your position

I got many verses.
I have seen almost nil from your position.
In fact you have not posted any.
You should have a lot of them, since you claim to be a exegesis centered impartial student.

So get 4 or 5 verses and let's see if they support a postrib rapture.
The "Darby card" is lame

 

[Psalm1]

You show yourself as really ignorant of what Historic Premillennialism teaches. Your hermeneutic is overly literalistic. You attitude is very pugnacious, unwilling to truly listen to another point of view. All signs of spiritual immaturity.

Try me.
Let's go.
I can debate my position anytime.

 

[Aussie52]

Ok.
So, the postribber doctrine, is from the early church?
That doctrine is celebrated by it's adherents as coming from man ?

Ok got it.
No wonder you guys are confused.
You should applaud Darby followers ...as you insist a doctrine from man is your foundation.

Or maybe your man is better that their man?
Your man following is guaranteed error...as you guys demonstrate.

I will stick to God's word no matter who you get to skew it.

Arrogant as well as immature!

 

[Lovette]

Secret rapture is false hope. Rapture is preceded by the resurrection, which is scheduled to take place right after the second coming (Rev. 20:1-5). No resurrection, no rapture.

 

[Psalm1]

Arrogant as well as immature!

Sad all you got to offer is personal immature responses.

You ever honestly debate?
You guys get so hurt over any pushback .
Go ahead and invoke the postribbers side show
Darby
Lahaye
Left behind movies.
Scofield.
I can work past it.
You will be even more offended.
On the other hand, you could grab a bible and defend your doctrine.
So far nothing.
A postribber thread....with no postrib rapture.
Huh?

This is you guys shining moment.
Show me where the pretrib rapture verses are wrong.

Better yet, defend your position.
Must be a ton of verses.

Can a postribber help us?
Maybe a verse ?

 

[Psalm1]

Where is that postrib rapture.
It was laying there someplace.
So many people said so.

It just gotta be around here someplace.
Looking.
Looking.
Looking.

Where did that thing go?????

Maybe it was a fluke.

 

[Aussie52]

Where is that postrib rapture.
It was laying there someplace.
So many people said so.

It just gotta be around here someplace.
Looking.
Looking.
Looking.

Where did that thing go?????

Maybe it was a fluke.

I am sorry to disappoint you, but I will not be debating the issue with you.
I have over the last few months come out of dispensationalism with its pre-trib rapture.
I had been a dispensationalist for more than 50 years. Like you, I was aggressive in its defense, completely intolerant of any alternative view.
A few months ago, the scales fell from my eyes as I saw for the first time the fruits of dispensationalism.
After watching on TV the horrors perpetrated in Gaza by Israel and the unconditional support given by dispensational Christians to Israel, I began the re-evaluate my end-time views.
How can a theological view condone the killing of so many thousands of Palestinians, including women and children?
How can so many dispensationalists support a president (Trump) who is immoral, a bully and so egotistical?
The dispensational fruit is indeed rotten to the core.
So, I have walked away from dispensationalism as not only is it bad fruit, but it is also a perversion of Biblical interpretation.
Dispensationalism with its pre-tib rapture is something imposed upon Scripture not derived from it.
I still have many unanswered questions but one thing I am sure of, that a doctrine that was invented by Darby in 1830 is not biblical at all.

 

[Xegomaniac]

I would NOT want to be deceived into believing a lie. Thank you Lord for helping me find Truth. Only those who love Truth will endure to the end. Find Truth BEFORE it's too late. PTR LIE CREATED BY CHARASMATICS LIE LIE LIE

 

[Xegomaniac]

The events of 1830 are well documented in biographies of Darby. He fell from a horse injuring himself. During the days of his recovery, he 'discovered' dispensationalism and a pre-trib rapture., and the rest as they say, is history.

darby was a heratic spreading lies.

 

[Psalm1]

I am sorry to disappoint you, but I will not be debating the issue with you.
I have over the last few months come out of dispensationalism with its pre-trib rapture.
I had been a dispensationalist for more than 50 years. Like you, I was aggressive in its defense, completely intolerant of any alternative view.
A few months ago, the scales fell from my eyes as I saw for the first time the fruits of dispensationalism.
After watching on TV the horrors perpetrated in Gaza by Israel and the unconditional support given by dispensational Christians to Israel, I began the re-evaluate my end-time views.
How can a theological view condone the killing of so many thousands of Palestinians, including women and children?
How can so many dispensationalists support a president (Trump) who is immoral, a bully and so egotistical?
The dispensational fruit is indeed rotten to the core.
So, I have walked away from dispensationalism as not only is it bad fruit, but it is also a perversion of Biblical interpretation.
Dispensationalism with its pre-tib rapture is something imposed upon Scripture not derived from it.
I still have many unanswered questions but one thing I am sure of, that a doctrine that was invented by Darby in 1830 is not biblical at all.

Lol.
I challenge you to get into the bible and who cares about Darby.
You then invoke Darby, trump and dispensationalism.
You created a thread that is rapture related.
Then the bible challenging it offends you.
Huh?

 

[dkontner]

Sad all you got to offer is personal immature responses.

You ever honestly debate?
You guys get so hurt over any pushback .
Go ahead and invoke the postribbers side show
Darby
Lahaye
Left behind movies.
Scofield.
I can work past it.
You will be even more offended.
On the other hand, you could grab a bible and defend your doctrine.
So far nothing.
A postribber thread....with no postrib rapture.
Huh?

This is you guys shining moment.
Show me where the pretrib rapture verses are wrong.

Better yet, defend your position.
Must be a ton of verses.

Can a postribber help us?
Maybe a verse ?

Revelation 7
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Jesus saves

 

[Psalm1]

darby was a heratic spreading lies.

Name a lie from Darby.
Fill me in.
The Darby thingy is a side show.
It is 2 hopefuls.
*error by association
* excuses postribbers of their lack of verses.

The truth is nobody even heard of "Darby" or "the secret rapture" until postribbers made both rabbit trails popular.

Darby made the doctrine of the pretrib rapture popular a hundred years ago.
Postribbers made Darby popular in this day and age..

What a waste of thought.

Debate is lowered into, "attack the message via the messenger".
One of the poorest strategies to promote any back and forth from bible doctrine.
...and it is yalls banner and main belief.

Let's talk end times and rapture timing


Ok Darby Darby Darby Darby Darby.

What?
What are you talking about ?
" well Darby was a liar"
"Darby was a heretic"

Ok prove it.

Crickets.

Well why not call it the " smear Darby end times thread complete with error by association".... even if that is a lie.

The Darby thread.
Ridiculous.

 

[Psalm1]

Revelation 7
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Jesus saves

Amen.
The ones left behind are all martyred.
Matt 25
The foolish virgins were left behind.

Be ready or get left behind.

The passage actually states" a innumerable number", of that group in heaven during the trib
A martyrdom so vast and horrific it can not be numbered.
Must have been people in a group a half mile in diameter.
Billions of left behind Christians with dirty robes.
Washed clean in heaven.
All postribbers.

 

[Psalm1]

I would NOT want to be deceived into believing a lie. Thank you Lord for helping me find Truth. Only those who love Truth will endure to the end. Find Truth BEFORE it's too late. PTR LIE CREATED BY CHARASMATICS LIE LIE LIE

General smears.
Got a postrib rapture verse?

The extra biblical stuff is just filler and conjecture.

 

[dkontner]

General smears.
Got a postrib rapture verse?

The extra biblical stuff is just filler and conjecture.

Good luck and God bless...

2 Thessalonians 2:1-4​

1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

 

[Psalm1]

Jesus teaching the pretrib rapture.
Mat 24
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Jesus was wrong ?

 

[Psalm1]

Good luck and God bless...

2 Thessalonians 2:1-4​

1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Amen.
He is revealed pretrib.
Good Pretrib rapture verses.

 

[Psalm1]

Jesus teaching the pretrib rapture;
Rev 3
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth

Was Jesus wrong?

 

[Aussie52]

Jesus teaching the pretrib rapture;
Rev 3
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth

Was Jesus wrong?

The word 'keep' does not mean remove from, but rather to preserve in a situation. Anyway, the verse was about coming persecution on the 1st century Church, nothing to do with the rapture.

 

[Psalm1]

The word 'keep' does not mean remove from, but rather to preserve in a situation. Anyway, the verse was about coming persecution on the 1st century Church, nothing to do with the rapture.

The apostles were going to go into Asia.
They were kept from doing so.

Under your interpretation, they went anyways.

Kept from means kept from.

What you need is "kept in"
Like the egypt captivity and babalonian captivity.
You also need lot to not leave Sodom, but stay and be protected.
You need the baby Jesus to stay and not be taken away to Egypt. Just go through heroes slaughter and survive.
You need lot and Noah taken away after the flood and fire.

Postrib raprure is just plain wrong.