Seek first the Kingdom of God

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Amen. However, the OSAS believe you can lose your righteousness.

But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Matthew 24:13
"Lean not on your understanding but trust in the Lord."
We agree that we are not saved by our understanding of the Word.
This would imply that with or without correct understanding we can be saved.
"For we are saved if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end."
"I don't consider myself to have attained but one thing I do: forgetting what is behind I press on."
Going on to perfection is about attaining to the Resurrection; doesn't mean that those who don't are not saved but that they lose their reward: have no part in the first resurrection.
We are saved by loosing our life in Christ: only by the end of Paul's life he said, "I have fought a good fight I have finished my course, I have kept the faith, henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, and not for me only but for all those who Love His appearing."
These rule with Christ for a thousand years, "The rest of the dead are not raised until the thousand years are fulfilled."
Few enter in at the straight Gate in the narrow Way: in fellowship of the sufferings of Christ, to lose affections after the flesh.
"Some were tortured not accepting deliverance that they may obtain a better Resurrection.
Salvation of the person who builds with wood: affection in this life like first love for His wife rather than for the Lord, "some men's work shall be burned and he shall suffer loss but he himself shall be saved yet as through fire." The person who builds with Gold and has part in the first resurrection, is also by the Grace of God. Going on to perfection is not by works: only understood this in my interaction here recently in the last few month.
For the longest time I though that going on to perfection was works.
What changed is realising I'm powerless: Even Jesus said, "I can do nothing of myself, except what I see the Father doing."
"You shall have power after the Holy Spirit is come on you and you shall be My witnesses: Implies we see Him work in us and through us." Implies we Seek first the Kingdom of God...
 
You probably meant the "non-OSAS" crowd. And anyone who believes that one can "lose" the imputed righteousness of Christ does not really understand the Gospel or Gospel Truth.


I finally get to agree with you sir! A Christmas miracle indeed! LOL.
 
You’ve only mentioned the spiritual part. The kingdom of God is His church- spirt and truth. We must also search the Bible for truth to make sure we are in His church and not some man-made church. To seek His kingdom is to seek His church- which is the body of Christ.

Song:
Seek ye first the kingdom of God (truth)
and His righteousness (Spirit)
and all these things (God’s family and physical needs)
will be added unto you
singing hallelujah.

 
Meant to say the OSAS believe you can't lose your righteousness.

All scripture was written for us.

Not all scripture is written to us.

Scripture Study Tips

When dissecting any verse of scripture. Ask yourself, of whom, to whom, with what words, what time, where, to what intent, with what circumstances, considering what is written before and what follows any single verse context.
"""""Myles Coverdale, Bible theologian/translator."""""

So, ask: Who is writing? Who’s it written to? What are the circumstances? What’s the context before? What's the context after?

Parsing Matt 24:13

Matt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Invariably posted, OUT OF CONTEXT.

Remove the TEXT and all that's left is the CON!

Matt 24:13 Proper Context.

Who is the speaker? JESUS

Who is Jesus speaking to? JEWS ONLY, There are ""NO"" Christians yet.

What is Jesus speaking about? ISRAELS FUTURE

Jesus is answering JEWS (NOT CHRISTIANS)

What is the question about? THE END TIMES!

Context: Matt 24 vs:1-12 Jesus is speaking to "Jews only about Israels Future" Fortelling the tribulation period to come. BTW the tribulation is referred to as JACOB/ISRAELS TROUBLE. Jeremiah 30:7

13 He that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved

(NOTE: Jews that are alive during the great tribulation & make it to the end (only a few "Remnant" make it Rom 9:27 ) AND ALL THAT DO WILL BE SAVED!

14 This "gospel of the kingdom" shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations & then shall the end come

Vs 14) Here Jesus is speaking to Jews. The Gospel of the Kingdom is: THE KING IS COMING. A MESSAGE GIVEN COLLECTIVELY & EXCLUSIVELY TO THE NATION OF ISRAEL.

These passages "ARE NOT" written to Christians! There are "NO" Christians yet!
 
All scripture was written for us.

Not all scripture is written to us.

Scripture Study Tips

When dissecting any verse of scripture. Ask yourself, of whom, to whom, with what words, what time, where, to what intent, with what circumstances, considering what is written before and what follows any single verse context.
"""""Myles Coverdale, Bible theologian/translator."""""

So, ask: Who is writing? Who’s it written to? What are the circumstances? What’s the context before? What's the context after?

Parsing Matt 24:13

Matt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Invariably posted, OUT OF CONTEXT.

Remove the TEXT and all that's left is the CON!

Matt 24:13 Proper Context.

Who is the speaker? JESUS

Who is Jesus speaking to? JEWS ONLY, There are ""NO"" Christians yet.

What is Jesus speaking about? ISRAELS FUTURE

Jesus is answering JEWS (NOT CHRISTIANS)

What is the question about? THE END TIMES!

Context: Matt 24 vs:1-12 Jesus is speaking to "Jews only about Israels Future" Fortelling the tribulation period to come. BTW the tribulation is referred to as JACOB/ISRAELS TROUBLE. Jeremiah 30:7

13 He that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved

(NOTE: Jews that are alive during the great tribulation & make it to the end (only a few "Remnant" make it Rom 9:27 ) AND ALL THAT DO WILL BE SAVED!

14 This "gospel of the kingdom" shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations & then shall the end come

Vs 14) Here Jesus is speaking to Jews. The Gospel of the Kingdom is: THE KING IS COMING. A MESSAGE GIVEN COLLECTIVELY & EXCLUSIVELY TO THE NATION OF ISRAEL.

These passages "ARE NOT" written to Christians! There are "NO" Christians yet!

Exaclty, the gospel of the kingdom was accompanied by signs. Signs are for the Jews not Gentiles.

Matthew 10
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.