Seems Revalations and Book of Enoc are seldom/never preached about today.

[Hevosmies]

But here are the specifics that the late Pope used from another who was Pope before him...at this time this pope was only a cardinal-bishop:

Catholic Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger:

He makes this confession as to the origin of the chief Trinity text of Matthew 28:19. "The basic form of our (Matthew 28:19 Trinitarian) profession of faith took shape during the course of the second and third centuries in connection with the ceremony of baptism. So far as its place of origin is concerned, the text (Matthew 28:19) came from the city of Rome." The Trinity baptism and text of Matthew 28:19 therefore did not originate from the original Church that started in Jerusalem around AD 33. It was rather as the evidence proves a later invention of Roman Catholicism completely fabricated. Very few know about these historical facts.


But look at the specifics he claims here:

1. He makes this confession as to the origin of the chief Trinity text of Matthew 28:19. "The basic form of our (Matthew 28:19 Trinitarian) profession of faith took shape during the course of the second and third centuries in connection with the ceremony of baptism.

2. The Trinity baptism and text of Matthew 28:19 therefore (((((did not originate from the original Church that started in Jerusalem around AD 33))))).....this is why we read Peter and Paul baptizing in Jesus (Yeshua's NAME only in Book of Acts) = First original church)

3. It was rather as the evidence proves a (((((later invention of Roman Catholicism completely fabricated))))). Very few know about these historical facts.



he claims it was a complete FABRICATION!! in other words, A LIE!!

Thanks. I will go through these sources and check them out. Thanks again

 

[Chester]

, but would like to hear more about Revelations from a preacher/teacher who actually understands it.

LOL! there are lots here who can help you with that one . . .

 

[Dino246]

The I take it you have never been a part of the door knocking, neighborhood scanning, and the broad questions pertaining to which part of church service did i most not enjoy?

And if you ever have that opportunity, look at the list of excuses why sinners don't want to go to church.

Even YOU will be on here making the similar claim as I have...well...that is unless you are a sinner who hates being condemned under church influence via the power of God!!

How about you respond to the criticism instead of making unwarranted assumptions about me.

 

[Locutus]

Here is the text from Ratzinger's book - it says nothing about Rome rewriting the text of Matt 28, what it does say is the text of the Creed came out of Rome based on the Matt 28 text:

 

[Hevosmies]

Here is the text from Ratzinger's book - it says nothing about Rome rewriting the text of Matt 28, what it does say is the text of the Creed came out of Rome based on the Matt 28 text:

Thanks for that. Seems like an out-of-context quotation by the oneness individual to support his claims. Sad.

 

[NayborBear]

But here are the specifics that the late Pope used from another who was Pope before him...at this time this pope was only a cardinal-bishop:

Catholic Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger:

He makes this confession as to the origin of the chief Trinity text of Matthew 28:19. "The basic form of our (Matthew 28:19 Trinitarian) profession of faith took shape during the course of the second and third centuries in connection with the ceremony of baptism. So far as its place of origin is concerned, the text (Matthew 28:19) came from the city of Rome." The Trinity baptism and text of Matthew 28:19 therefore did not originate from the original Church that started in Jerusalem around AD 33. It was rather as the evidence proves a later invention of Roman Catholicism completely fabricated. Very few know about these historical facts.


But look at the specifics he claims here:

1. He makes this confession as to the origin of the chief Trinity text of Matthew 28:19. "The basic form of our (Matthew 28:19 Trinitarian) profession of faith took shape during the course of the second and third centuries in connection with the ceremony of baptism.

2. The Trinity baptism and text of Matthew 28:19 therefore (((((did not originate from the original Church that started in Jerusalem around AD 33))))).....this is why we read Peter and Paul baptizing in Jesus (Yeshua's NAME only in Book of Acts) = First original church)

3. It was rather as the evidence proves a (((((later invention of Roman Catholicism completely fabricated))))). Very few know about these historical facts.



he claims it was a complete FABRICATION!! in other words, A LIE!!

It is my belief and conviction, that even if all you have posted, and indeed all these "August" scholars, labors, not being in vainful pursuits?
Have exposed, for lack of a better term (being as non-educated in (ahem) the "Higher Schools of Biblical Learning"), or put forth the "uncovering" of a "mystery", of the Wisdom of God!

Inasmuch, as God HAS, (whether all this be true, or not), had the foresight, (knowing the end from the beginning), as well as the Power, and AUTHORITY, in the "Carrying ON", if nothing else? The NAME of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Call it "Providence?" Call it "Preservation of the Saints?" (as an appeasement of sorts to the enemies of God), or whatever other "handle", one may wish to attach to it, in the, or until, "within the council of His GOOD Will", the Proper TIME, or, that His "Servants Prophecies", could be, or would be fulfilled!

One does not have to endeavor very far at all into History, in the finding out that Christians, from now, back to the "very beginnings of the Church", and yea, even Christ Himself, who really had not that many followers of His TRUER "Teachings", outside of the "free food" and "free healthcare." And, when "tribulation/s" came? "POOF!!"....."GONE!!"....In LESS then 60 seconds!

In "short?" This "diddy" you posted, if true? And, I have little doubt as to it being so, explains, (a) WHAT, may, or have may not have, been done! As I also have little doubt there were, or are now, yet "things/changes" hithertofore, not been (how can I say) revealed?

And, if it gives cause for "sheeps, to think?" It can't be all bad, now can it?

But, so oft times, I'll just say this: sometimes? a man's "ego", causes him in the "entertaining of strange (while not the "judging of") bedfellows!"

Praying you are not one of them!

 

[NayborBear]

I got "hijacked!"

In regards to the OP, I rather like the book of Enoch. As Enoch not only names names of those in the "attempted overthrow", He also names names, of some of the Holy Angels, aka "archangels", and some hints of "their" placings, in "God's Government!" As in, "entertaining Angels unawares", that Paul spoke of. Of which, in "God's Holy Vetting Process?" Are "there", to help the believer grow Spiritually!

 

[dcontroversal]

I like a good sermon, but many of the churches I have been to seem to stay on a theme year after year. Feels like a endless loop of a season 1 tv series (kind of like Star Trek, but less sci-fi)

Long ago the churches found time to preach about end times and such. I have asked many pastors about this and oddly enough most the replies was "We want to preach to people that God is love." (feel they are worried about some people leaving the church over such a topic)
That is always good, but God is so much more.

With all the information at our finger tips today why is this not preached? We are in the end days for sure (2020's will be highly interesting) so is this not important?

The Book of Enoc is way over looked and when I ask pastors about it, but get some answer that ends with "Well others church can do that, but we need to tell people God is love."

So does anyones church preach on end of days or anything?

I do.........I teach a lot about the end...every Sunday, 1.5 to 2 hours straight.....

 

[Deade]

I got "hijacked!"

In regards to the OP, I rather like the book of Enoch. As Enoch not only names names of those in the "attempted overthrow", He also names names, of some of the Holy Angels, aka "archangels", and some hints of "their" placings, in "God's Government!" As in, "entertaining Angels unawares", that Paul spoke of. Of which, in "God's Holy Vetting Process?" Are "there", to help the believer grow Spiritually!

Ugh! NayborBear, stay away from that Book of Enoch. Especially the later chapters. The devil has had his hands on that. Besides, "entertaining angels unawares" is not some mystical thing. An angel is just a messenger in this case. That hobo at your door wanting food could be there by God's providence.

 

[rlm68]

Here is the text from Ratzinger's book - it says nothing about Rome rewriting the text of Matt 28, what it does say is the text of the Creed came out of Rome based on the Matt 28 text:

If you take the time to read the examples I gave you will notice there are THREE other Catholic sources confirming the same thing. All of them claim Matthew 28:19 was changed by 2nd/3rd century to the trinity. But if we look at history, it was the Catholic monks who spent day after day writing down verse after verse copying the Bible. This Matthew 28:19 is no different than the story of Lazarus (beggar) and the rich man. In the Catholic Encyclopedia like Matthew 28:19, there is a claim that Christ NEVER told the story of Lazarus and the rich man in a burning hell. After all, the Hebrew/Jews never believed in a literal burning hell. Yahweh never mentioned such a thing to Moses or to the prophets. So clearly, giving Christ credit for this story is an outright lie. And this story of Lazarus/rich man in a burning is nowhere else within the Gospels.

Obviously, you don't want to know the truth concerning the Catholics and changing scripture. If you read the actual Hebrew Old Testament (Torah), you will see changes in the KJV that do not match. So it's rather clear the 2nd/3rd century Catholics added/changed scripture throughout the entire Bible to fit their agenda.

Sometimes getting a clue is having to face the facts you wished never existed!!

 

[rlm68]

Thanks for that. Seems like an out-of-context quotation by the oneness individual to support his claims. Sad.

Why do I need to make false claims when the Catholics admit within their history to changing scripture?

I will copy/paste the message I left for the individual who you quoted to give the answer you gave ^


If you take the time to read the examples I gave you will notice there are THREE other Catholic sources confirming the same thing. All of them claim Matthew 28:19 was changed by 2nd/3rd century to the trinity. But if we look at history, it was the Catholic monks who spent day after day writing down verse after verse copying the Bible. This Matthew 28:19 is no different than the story of Lazarus (beggar) and the rich man. In the Catholic Encyclopedia like Matthew 28:19, there is a claim that Christ NEVER told the story of Lazarus and the rich man in a burning hell. After all, the Hebrew/Jews never believed in a literal burning hell. Yahweh never mentioned such a thing to Moses or to the prophets. So clearly, giving Christ credit for this story is an outright lie. And this story of Lazarus/rich man in a burning is nowhere else within the Gospels.

Obviously, you don't want to know the truth concerning the Catholics and changing scripture. If you read the actual Hebrew Old Testament (Torah), you will see changes in the KJV that do not match. So it's rather clear the 2nd/3rd century Catholics added/changed scripture throughout the entire Bible to fit their agenda.

Sometimes getting a clue is having to face the facts you wished never existed!!

 

[trofimus]

I do.........I teach a lot about the end...every Sunday, 1.5 to 2 hours straight.....

And how many years? lol

 

[trofimus]

And if we follow the Book of Acts (WHICH IS OUR FIRST ESTABLISHED CHURCH EXAMPLE), we would not be baptizing via the trinity. Within the Book of Acts, both Peter and Paul BAPTIZED in the NAME of Yeshua (Jesus) ONLY, not in the trinity.

So clearly by your own 3 points a-b-c, it's clear what has been established IS NOT what the FIRST CHURCH PREACHED (Book of Acts)!!

Therefore, my original statement still stands as I made it..

There is no logic in you response to my post about the canon.

You have just one agenda ("Trinity is false") and you are putting it everywhere without a proper context.

 

[dcontroversal]

And how many years? lol

Started with devotionals and witnessing in 1990, devotionals, witnessing and teaching since 1992 and full bore teaching, preaching, witnessing since 95...3 times a week

 

[Hevosmies]

Obviously, you don't want to know the truth concerning the Catholics and changing scripture. If you read the actual Hebrew Old Testament (Torah), you will see changes in the KJV that do not match. So it's rather clear the 2nd/3rd century Catholics added/changed scripture throughout the entire Bible to fit their agenda.

Sometimes getting a clue is having to face the facts you wished never existed!!

You are proving what I said earlier, if Matthew 28:19 is corrupted, WHAT ELSE IS? Yea, hath God saith? Now you are admitting that catholis supposedly added/changed scripture throughout the ENTIRE Bible to fit their agenda.
So now we dont know what verses are true. We need a special guru like you to tell us what is and what isnt.

This is how cults start. Beware.

 

[pottersclay]

I've been studying the history of preaching and following the teaching of Alistair begg of Truth for life.
Bringing in other books or rather sprucing up a sermon to the point of entertaining it's hearers is exactly what the enemy wants you to do.
We have 3 or more generations that are far from God due to the fact that their parents have not been the best examples.
Lost generations...side tracked and entertained by the cares of this world.
Going to church used to be a family tradition ( this is what we do) now it's come to a matter of choice.
Many parents have said I'll let my child make up his own mind. What.
Our worship has become a entertaining enterprises. A more cowbell thing. Saints stop pointing the finger at this church or that.
Jesus left us to over see this place in his absence. Yes he is the head but if the body has made it's mind up on it's broke let's move on then what use is the head?
Of course we're being attacked.....thats suppose to happen....we are not to adjust to make things comfortable. God sakes were talking about life or death here.
It's not about the numbers it's about the relationship with our heavenly father. He will do the work if we remain faithful.
The letters to the 7 churches should be a warning to us all. Guess what???? They don't exsist no more. They were not taken over they were removed. Ended. Get serious saints, if you car or truck or house is in need of repair do you walk away from it or do ya find the problem and fix it? Better yet find some one to fix it if you are unable.
Problem is we look at ourselves as lay people if we're not a pastor, teacher elder, no such thing. We are all Gods people.

Alistair Begg truth for life ministry....the pastors study. Check it out.

 

[garee]

I like a good sermon, but many of the churches I have been to seem to stay on a theme year after year. Feels like a endless loop of a season 1 tv series (kind of like Star Trek, but less sci-fi)

Long ago the churches found time to preach about end times and such. I have asked many pastors about this and oddly enough most the replies was "We want to preach to people that God is love." (feel they are worried about some people leaving the church over such a topic)
That is always good, but God is so much more.

With all the information at our finger tips today why is this not preached? We are in the end days for sure (2020's will be highly interesting) so is this not important?

The Book of Enoc is way over looked and when I ask pastors about it, but get some answer that ends with "Well others church can do that, but we need to tell people God is love."

So does anyones church preach on end of days or anything?

The church usually uses scripture. And not the private interpretation of some person called Enoch as a guess.

The scriptures refer to the prophecies of Enoch, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints.

If we call the saying below as a book . It is a very short book (47 words)

Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

To prophecy is simply to declare the will of God. But it does not tell us which prophecy. Enoch could of used the books of the law as the words God gave to Moses as a reminder.

It does mean we are given a blank piece of paper and just fill in what a person might think Enoch said if he did say more than what scripture accredits to him.

Deuteronomy 33:1-3 King James Version (KJV) And this is the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death.And he said, The Lord came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them. Yea, he loved the people; all his saints are in thy hand: and they sat down at thy feet; every one shall receive of thy words.

 

[garee]

You are proving what I said earlier, if Matthew 28:19 is corrupted, WHAT ELSE IS? Yea, hath God saith? Now you are admitting that catholis supposedly added/changed scripture throughout the ENTIRE Bible to fit their agenda.
So now we dont know what verses are true. We need a special guru like you to tell us what is and what isnt.

This is how cults start. Beware.

Catholicism is founded on necromancy .It makes the word of God without effect. There is a animated movie called "Coco" from the help of Disney that describes that foundation of necromancy that a Catholic must follow when following the legion (3500 and rising) workers with familiar spirits that must be called "patron saints".

 

[Locutus]

Why do I need to make false claims when the Catholics admit within their history to changing scripture?

I will copy/paste the message I left for the individual who you quoted to give the answer you gave ^


If you take the time to read the examples I gave you will notice there are THREE other Catholic sources confirming the same thing. All of them claim Matthew 28:19 was changed by 2nd/3rd century to the trinity. But if we look at history, it was the Catholic monks who spent day after day writing down verse after verse copying the Bible. This Matthew 28:19 is no different than the story of Lazarus (beggar) and the rich man. In the Catholic Encyclopedia like Matthew 28:19, there is a claim that Christ NEVER told the story of Lazarus and the rich man in a burning hell. After all, the Hebrew/Jews never believed in a literal burning hell. Yahweh never mentioned such a thing to Moses or to the prophets. So clearly, giving Christ credit for this story is an outright lie. And this story of Lazarus/rich man in a burning is nowhere else within the Gospels.

Obviously, you don't want to know the truth concerning the Catholics and changing scripture. If you read the actual Hebrew Old Testament (Torah), you will see changes in the KJV that do not match. So it's rather clear the 2nd/3rd century Catholics added/changed scripture throughout the entire Bible to fit their agenda.

Sometimes getting a clue is having to face the facts you wished never existed!!

I checked one of your supposed sources you gleaned off the internet and established it was taken out of context and totally misapplied - I've no doubt if I checked the other "sauces" I'd find a similar misrepresentation.

Poor research on your part.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Here's what Strong's Concordance says of the H6944 word ['holy'] in Deuteronomy 33:2 -

[quote taken from Bible Hub]

"Strong's Exhaustive Concordance

consecrated thing, dedicated thing, hallowed thing, holiness, most holy day, portion, thing, saint,

From qadash; a sacred place or thing; rarely abstract, sanctity -- consecrated (thing), dedicated (thing), hallowed (thing), holiness, (X most) holy (X day, portion, thing), saint, sanctuary.'

[end quoting]