SEVENTH DAY ADVENTISM

[john832]

Didn't see or think of it that way before, that would put it back to Sunday, right?

Uh, that would be Saturday night. Paul was traveling and stopped at many congregations at many times. He met with the brethren when he could. As far as changing the Sabbath..,

Act 16:13 And on the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met there.

Act 17:2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
Act 17:3 explaining and demonstrating that the Christ had to suffer and rise again from the dead, and saying, "This Jesus whom I preach to you is the Christ."

These were Gentile cities and he was teaching the Gentiles. Why not on Sunday? Why did he teach them on the Sabbath?

Act 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

Notice both Jews and Gentiles on the Sabbath.

Act 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
Act 13:43 Now when the congregation had broken up, many of the Jews and devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
Act 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

Now here was a golden opportunity to tell the Gentiles to come back tomorrow, the first day of the week but he didn't. He taught them on the next SABBATH. The Sabbath has never been changed.

In Acts 15 when a great controversy arose over physical circumcision, it required a headquarters conference of the Church to settle it. There is no such controversy in the New Testament over the Sabbath. Why? Because the day God made holy at creation has never been changed. Christ is still Lord of the seventh day Sabbath.

 

[hornetguy]

Uh, that would be Saturday night.

Saturday night (after sundown) WAS Sunday, the first day of the week.

 

[john832]

Saturday night (after sundown) WAS Sunday, the first day of the week.

But NOWHERE in the account does it say anything about the Sabbath being changed to the first day of the week. Have you EVER gone to any church service on a Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday? I have, that had nothing to do with which day of the week is the Sabbath.

 

[Stephen63]

Uh, that would be Saturday night. Paul was traveling and stopped at many congregations at many times. He met with the brethren when he could. As far as changing the Sabbath..,

Act 16:13 And on the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met there.

Act 17:2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
Act 17:3 explaining and demonstrating that the Christ had to suffer and rise again from the dead, and saying, "This Jesus whom I preach to you is the Christ."

These were Gentile cities and he was teaching the Gentiles. Why not on Sunday? Why did he teach them on the Sabbath?

Act 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

Notice both Jews and Gentiles on the Sabbath.

Act 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
Act 13:43 Now when the congregation had broken up, many of the Jews and devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
Act 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

Now here was a golden opportunity to tell the Gentiles to come back tomorrow, the first day of the week but he didn't. He taught them on the next SABBATH. The Sabbath has never been changed.

In Acts 15 when a great controversy arose over physical circumcision, it required a headquarters conference of the Church to settle it. There is no such controversy in the New Testament over the Sabbath. Why? Because the day God made holy at creation has never been changed. Christ is still Lord of the seventh day Sabbath.

The only thing worse than starting another rerun thread is resurrecting one from the dead..... in this case three times.

"Let's ride the dead horse into the ground until there's nothin' left but the mane & the head.

Don'tcha bury him too deep, now..... we'll want to dig 'em back up & ride 'em sum' more."

 

[tanakh]

The only thing worse than starting another rerun thread is resurrecting one from the dead..... in this case three times.

"Let's ride the dead horse into the ground until there's nothin' left but the mane & the head.

Don'tcha bury him too deep, now..... we'll want to dig 'em back up & ride 'em sum' more."

In some cases I would agree but this thread does contain a lot of information about the SDA that many may find interesting.

 

[Locutus]

Funnily enough I was thinking of starting a thread on on SaDA's - saved me the effort - I see have some wandering around here spying out our freedom in Christ.

 

[Stephen63]

In some cases I would agree but this thread does contain a lot of information about the SDA that many may find interesting.

Perhaps you're right..... but I couldn't pass up the opportunity, lol!

 

[prove-all]

the Jewish Encyclopedia: “The belief in the immortality of the soul came to the Jews
from contact with Greek thought and chiefly through the philosophy of Plato, its principal
exponent, who was led to it through Orphic and Eleusinian mysteries in which Babylonian
and Egyptian views were strangely blended” .

The doctrine of the immortality of the soul, according to this respected encyclopedia,
came from pre-Christian Greek philosophers who acquired it from pagan Egypt and Babylon!

 

[Uncommon]

I personally had a very strange experience with 7th Day Adventist Church in Clinton, MO.

1) My girlfriend, her parents, the entire church (7th Day) we went to wanted her to have a abortion. I would not comply and told them I would never want my child aborted and had proof of life after 1 week conception a heartbeat. My daughter Rachel was born oct 10, 2000 (Praise God)

2) Michael the Archangel is Jesus? I am still praying about this. Not suppose to worship angels.

3) Took me on a strange walk where there was animal signs: Cows, ravens, an eagle, vultures (seemed like witchcraft to me)

I would recommend you be very careful with Seveneth-Day Adventism something weird is there. In my humble opinion.

 

[mailmandan]

Funnily enough I was thinking of starting a thread on on SaDA's - saved me the effort - I see have some wandering around here spying out our freedom in Christ.

I deliver mail to an elderly man who is an SDA and he is always trying to give me literature from his church and just about all he talks about is keeping the Saturday Sabbath. He even tries to encourage me to tell my employer that I cannot work on Saturday because it's the Sabbath and suggests that if I continue to work on Saturday that my salvation will be in jeopardy.

 

[tanakh]

Uh, that would be Saturday night. Paul was traveling and stopped at many congregations at many times. He met with the brethren when he could. As far as changing the Sabbath..,

Act 16:13 And on the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met there.

Act 17:2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
Act 17:3 explaining and demonstrating that the Christ had to suffer and rise again from the dead, and saying, "This Jesus whom I preach to you is the Christ."

These were Gentile cities and he was teaching the Gentiles. Why not on Sunday? Why did he teach them on the Sabbath?

Act 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

Notice both Jews and Gentiles on the Sabbath.

Act 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
Act 13:43 Now when the congregation had broken up, many of the Jews and devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
Act 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

Now here was a golden opportunity to tell the Gentiles to come back tomorrow, the first day of the week but he didn't. He taught them on the next SABBATH. The Sabbath has never been changed.

In Acts 15 when a great controversy arose over physical circumcision, it required a headquarters conference of the Church to settle it. There is no such controversy in the New Testament over the Sabbath. Why? Because the day God made holy at creation has never been changed. Christ is still Lord of the seventh day Sabbath.

If I was to teach SDA members what I believed which day would I most likely choose to do it? Answer is the day they are most likely to meet which is Saturday. Would that mean that because I chose Saturday I believe it is the correct day to worship? Of course not Paul did the same thing. The early Church gathered in Synagogues because there the
Scriptures were read each Sabbath. The Sunday worship celebrates the resurrection it is a separate day from the Sabbath. The SDA argument could be turned round. Where in the Bible does it say that one cannot meet for worship on a Sunday?

 

[Grandpa]

I deliver mail to an elderly man who is an SDA and he is always trying to give me literature from his church and just about all he talks about is keeping the Saturday Sabbath. He even tries to encourage me to tell my employer that I cannot work on Saturday because it's the Sabbath and suggests that if I continue to work on Saturday that my salvation will be in jeopardy.

Yep. I think its in the apocrypha. 14 Macabees. If you deliver mail on saturdays that is the line that shall not be crossed.

But I believe there is an exception for police, hospital, firemen and emergency medical responders. Just because you wear a uniform don't start thinking you are part of the elite......

 

[AllenW]

There are holy born again Christians in the 7th Day Adventist church.
I know this to be true because I know these people personally.
It's not right to bad mouth their church because you don't like it.

Why not talk about your church and your denomination and tell us how good it is and how God blesses all of you so much.
Then we can do the same.
Next thing you know we'll be hugging each other and having "church" every time we meet, instead of just some particular day of the week.

 

[sparkman]

One of the biggest inconsistencies is the claim that others are sinning by non-observance of the Sabbath, yet the SDA church continues to have health care facilities that perform elective abortions and allow members to have abortions in cases where the pregnancy is viable.

This is an inconsistency because it reflects a disregard for the sixth commandment.

The Sabbath was a sign of the Mosaic Covenant (Exodus 31) which is no longer in effect (Acts 15, Galatians 3-4, II Corinthians 3, Ephesians 2:13-15, Romans 7:1-6, Hebrews 7-8). So, their claim concerning the Sabbath is bogus, especially in light of Colossians 2:16-17 and Romans 14.

I realize they have apologetics geared toward refuting these Scriptures but their reasoning is unsound. I recommend reading Sabbath in Christ by Dale Ratzlaff, an ex SDA pastor, to address all their claims very systematically. As an ex Sabbathkeeper, I share essentially the same views as Dale, except for his view on John 5. Other than that, his book is excellent. If anyone really desires to hear the truth on the matter, they can consult this book.

Even if the Sabbath is still applicable, and the day makes a crucial difference, there is still a massive inconsistency in that the organization allows, within the membership, the hacking to death of children in the womb, and performs these procedures themselves in their health care facilities. And I doubt if it will change in the near future. Know why? It's consistent with their view of man's nature that one doesn't become a living being until they take their first breath.

Additionally, feminists within the organization likely wouldn't allow this to take place. And, it has given the Seventh Day Adventists advantages in some markets because they can claim that while Roman Catholic organizations won't perform abortions, they will. And, some individuals who have gotten wealthy through abortions were major philanthropists who helped with building funds on SDA education sites.

 

[tourist]

One of the biggest inconsistencies is the claim that others are sinning by non-observance of the Sabbath, yet the SDA church continues to have health care facilities that perform elective abortions and allow members to have abortions in cases where the pregnancy is viable.

This is an inconsistency because it reflects a disregard for the sixth commandment.

The Sabbath was a sign of the Mosaic Covenant (Exodus 31) which is no longer in effect (Acts 15, Galatians 3-4, II Corinthians 3, Ephesians 2:13-15, Romans 7:1-6, Hebrews 7-8). So, their claim concerning the Sabbath is bogus, especially in light of Colossians 2:16-17 and Romans 14.

I realize they have apologetics geared toward refuting these Scriptures but their reasoning is unsound. I recommend reading Sabbath in Christ by Dale Ratzlaff, an ex SDA pastor, to address all their claims very systematically. As an ex Sabbathkeeper, I share essentially the same views as Dale, except for his view on John 5. Other than that, his book is excellent. If anyone really desires to hear the truth on the matter, they can consult this book.

Even if the Sabbath is still applicable, and the day makes a crucial difference, there is still a massive inconsistency in that the organization allows, within the membership, the hacking to death of children in the womb, and performs these procedures themselves in their health care facilities. And I doubt if it will change in the near future. Know why? It's consistent with their view of man's nature that one doesn't become a living being until they take their first breath.

Additionally, feminists within the organization likely wouldn't allow this to take place. And, it has given the Seventh Day Adventists advantages in some markets because they can claim that while Roman Catholic organizations won't perform abortions, they will. And, some individuals who have gotten wealthy through abortions were major philanthropists who helped with building funds on SDA education sites.

All healthcare facilities regardless of the religious affiliation perform abortions because they are mandated by the federal government to do so. That's the only reason that they do it just like any other healthcare facilities. What is the point of singling out SDA?

 

[tourist]

There are holy born again Christians in the 7th Day Adventist church.
I know this to be true because I know these people personally.
It's not right to bad mouth their church because you don't like it.

Why not talk about your church and your denomination and tell us how good it is and how God blesses all of you so much.
Then we can do the same.
Next thing you know we'll be hugging each other and having "church" every time we meet, instead of just some particular day of the week.

At least there is not the usual hateful bashing of the Catholic church in this thread. Most refreshing.

 

[oldethennew]

oh yes, people have never changed, only in their own minds...but unfortunately,
they still display the same habits from after the FALL..., or course, unless, they
are called chosen and elected...

 

[graceNpeace]

All healthcare facilities regardless of the religious affiliation perform abortions because they are mandated by the federal government to do so. That's the only reason that they do it just like any other healthcare facilities. What is the point of singling out SDA?

What part of the world are you thinking about!
I cannot speak for the USA but in every other part of the world where there are SDA and RCC health facilities the SDA facilities perform abortions and the RCC do not!

 

[tourist]

What part of the world are you thinking about!
I cannot speak for the USA but in every other part of the world where there are SDA and RCC health facilities the SDA facilities perform abortions and the RCC do not!

I'm referring the health care facilities in the US. Interesting point you have raised. Maybe the leadership at the top is a little suspect.

 

[Jackson123]

Uh, that would be Saturday night. Paul was traveling and stopped at many congregations at many times. He met with the brethren when he could. As far as changing the Sabbath..,

Act 16:13 And on the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met there.

Act 17:2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
Act 17:3 explaining and demonstrating that the Christ had to suffer and rise again from the dead, and saying, "This Jesus whom I preach to you is the Christ."

These were Gentile cities and he was teaching the Gentiles. Why not on Sunday? Why did he teach them on the Sabbath?

Act 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

Notice both Jews and Gentiles on the Sabbath.

Act 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
Act 13:43 Now when the congregation had broken up, many of the Jews and devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
Act 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

Now here was a golden opportunity to tell the Gentiles to come back tomorrow, the first day of the week but he didn't. He taught them on the next SABBATH. The Sabbath has never been changed.

In Acts 15 when a great controversy arose over physical circumcision, it required a headquarters conference of the Church to settle it. There is no such controversy in the New Testament over the Sabbath. Why? Because the day God made holy at creation has never been changed. Christ is still Lord of the seventh day Sabbath.

because jews prayer was customarily Made oN sabbath