Shocking and Surprising Discoveries about the Resurrection from the Last Chapter of Matthew!
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Completely agree, Jesus had already risen before sunrise of Sunday, the first day of the week.
Because if he walked out of the tomb, that would be a re-animated corpse, not a brand new body. And Jesus in his new body had his first encounter with Mary. He didn't appear Mary when she first came there, he didn't appear to Peter or John either when she returned with them, He appeared to her when Peter and John had left and she was there weeping. Why would he hid himself before that if he had already "walked out"? Because that's when he was really resurrected, according to Mark 16:9. That timing is important.
Non sequitur. And other logical fallacies as well.
So what? I did not say He did not, nor does that in any way prove she saw the stone being rolled away.
You are grasping at straws. None of those things suggest I have denied what
the text does say nor do any of them even hint at how Jesus exited the tomb.
It just doesn't make any sense if there was a long interval between the angel rolling away the stone and him greeting the women. Or for Jesus to hide in somewhere when Mary arrived the first time.
They found the stone rolled away from the tomb. Luke 24:2 should put an end to your vain imaginings.
That doesn't disprove that they felt the earthquake and saw the angel descending from the sky in Matt. 28:2. How far away could they be at that time? And after all, I said at the beginning, that was just a "likely scenario".
I don't think He needs to move a rock in order to walk out.
JMO but I think the rock was moved for people to see He had risen, not to let Him out.
I never said anything about the earthquake and/or angel descending from the sky. Your inability to
deal with what I actually say is sadly lacking while you concoct other scenarios to talk at instead.
He was out, and out of nowhere he appeared to Mary. I just highly disagree that he needed to walk out, and that just definitely couldn’t happen at any time when the guards were still there.
i think it definitely could happen, both before and after the resurrection.
He is God - He is the Creator and Sustainer of all time and space, unbound by it, eternal.
He walks straight through people (Luke 4:30) who are trying to grab Him in the body that was crucified, and i agree with @Magenta that it's the same body raised and the same body ascended. resurrection is physical -- it effects a change, but it isn't a 'replacement' -- His body was not in the tomb by the time anyone looked, and ((@JaumeJ)) no one could look until the stone was moved. that is why the stone had to be moved; so we could know for sure with faith that resurrection is physical. the primary reason wasn't so He could get out -- if death itself can't hold Him, how can a tomb??
He wasn’t rotting in there anyway, for he had gone down to Hades to set the captives free, and Hades is the underworld where dead people are being locked in, tomb was just a symbol of that. He died an earthly death in the most graphic, brutal way, and that was a crucial part of the Father’s arrangement. When he appeared to Mary, he was fresh out of Hades, not that small tomb.
If the women felt the earthquake and saw the angel descending from the sky, then why do you vehemently insist that they didn't witness the stone being rolled away? That stone weighed thousands of pounds, they used some special devices to move it in front of the tomb; however, in Luke's account - or John's or Mark's, they weren't perplexed about how that stone was rolled away, they wondered where the body was. Matthew's account is complementary to others, not contradicting others.
Okay so let's recap:
Jesus ate Passover dinner on the 14th of Abib with his disciples (Tuesday Eve)
He was captured that same evening (at least before daybreak). Still Passover evening.
The 15th of Abib is the first day of unleavened bread, a High Sabbath. Jesus was crucified and died that afternoon.
Jesus was entombed before dark on the 15th. (Wednesday)
"Before dark" on the 16th (Thursday) = 1 full 24 hour period.
"Before dark" on the 17th (Friday) = 2 full 24 hour periods.
"Before dark" on the 18th (Saturday) = 3 full days and nights in the tomb.
Sometime after that (But before dawn on Sunday) he was resurrected.
This means he resurrected on Saturday. (Sabbath). This is also "on the third day".
Nobody knows where he was from that time until he revealed himself to Mary on Sunday morning (after sunrise).
He was probably in Shoell (Hades), or Abraham's bosom, but we cannot verify with eye witnesses.
He may have been drinking a Pina Colada at Trader Vick's for all we know.
Point is that when the stone was rolled away, the tomb was empty.
That very same Sunday Evening (after dark) he visited the disciples. This means that Sunday could not have started on Saturday Evening.
The rest is, as they say, Gospel. And all scriptures reconcile.
If you try to inject the non-Biblical, Pharisee calendar (with days beginning in the evening) it will only confuse you.
Note: Joseph of Arimathea (as did most Jews of the time) practiced the Pharisee calendar. That's why he could get the body.
The women only watched and did not anoint him when he was entombed because "the Sabbath drew on".
Jesus ate Passover dinner on the 14th of Abib with his disciples (Tuesday Eve)
He was captured that same evening (at least before daybreak). Still Passover evening.
The 15th of Abib is the first day of unleavened bread, a High Sabbath. Jesus was crucified and died that afternoon.
Jesus was entombed before dark on the 15th. (Wednesday)
"Before dark" on the 16th (Thursday) = 1 full 24 hour period.
"Before dark" on the 17th (Friday) = 2 full 24 hour periods.
"Before dark" on the 18th (Saturday) = 3 full days and nights in the tomb.
Sometime after that (But before dawn on Sunday) he was resurrected.
This means he resurrected on Saturday. (Sabbath). This is also "on the third day".
Nobody knows where he was from that time until he revealed himself to Mary on Sunday morning (after sunrise).
He was probably in Shoell (Hades), or Abraham's bosom, but we cannot verify with eye witnesses.
He may have been drinking a Pina Colada at Trader Vick's for all we know.
Point is that when the stone was rolled away, the tomb was empty.
That very same Sunday Evening (after dark) he visited the disciples. This means that Sunday could not have started on Saturday Evening.
The rest is, as they say, Gospel. And all scriptures reconcile.
If you try to inject the non-Biblical, Pharisee calendar (with days beginning in the evening) it will only confuse you.
Note: Joseph of Arimathea (as did most Jews of the time) practiced the Pharisee calendar. That's why he could get the body.
The women only watched and did not anoint him when he was entombed because "the Sabbath drew on".
He was at Bethany six days before Passover (John 12:1), and on the NEXT day, which means five days before Passover, was the triumpant entry into Jerusalem (John 12:12, Mark 11:12). Passover was on a fixed date, which was Nissan 14. And guess what date is five days before that? Nissan 10, Lamb selection day. Now tell me, which day was that day in the passion week? In all church teachings that Lamb selection day was on Palm sunday. Unless you believe that it was the previous Saturday, that would put the crucifixion on Thursday, not Wednesday.
the evening and the morning were the first day
(Genesis 1:5)
beginning with evening is exactly the Biblical way of counting days. not with sunrise, and definitely not with 'midnight'
was not the world first in darkness, until The Light came to us?
He rose on Firstfruits, which is always the day after sabbath ((Leviticus 23:11, 1 Corinthians 15:20-23))
The Hebrew word use in Gen 1 for "morning" literally means "sunrise" or "the time before the sun comes up when it is getting lighter".
God created during the daylight hours, then there was evening (night time), then there was "Dawn". That was a "DAY".
Read Exodus and the gathering of Manna. Read Judges. Even the New Testament Jesus could not have visited the disciples on Sunday evening AND have it be the SAME DAY he revealed himself to Mary if Sunday started the previous evening. That would make Sunday more than 24 hours.
Mary went to the tomb before daybreak so that she could be there as soon as the Sabbath ended (Dawn).
There is NO scripture in the entire Bible that supports an evening start to a day, other than the Pharisee occult lunar practice.
I guess I have missed where scripture says which day is "Lamb selection Day". Could it not have been the 12th of Abib.
(Nissan is from the Babylonian calendar) Abib is the first month of the Hebrew calendar.
I have to go for a few hours but I would love to be enlightened about this if I am wrong. Thanks.