I meant "the shroud collapsing inward" has no verse to support it. I know Jesus' body did not rot
Shocking and Surprising Discoveries about the Resurrection from the Last Chapter of Matthew!
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That's just what I heard from a sermon, a conclusion based on the description in John 20 and the Turin Shroud. Since his body wasn't supposed to rot, and apparently he didn't walk out of the tomb, it's reasonable to reach to this conclusion.I meant "the shroud collapsing inward" has no verse to support it. I know Jesus' body did not rot
In which verse did it say that He walked out of the tomb like Lazarus? In all four gospels the tomb was already empty. We don't know when he disappeared, what's for sure is that he rose early on the third day and revealed himself to Mary (Mark 16:9).
Divine revelation requires eyewitness. Didn't John receive the apocalyptic vision in Spirit at Patmos?
In which verse does it say Jesus did not walk out of the tomb???
The alternative is, the gospel writer made it up. I don't believe that to be the case. I'm not sure why you would reject divine revelation being the source of the gospel writer knowing that the angel rolled the stone away from the mouth of the tomb, without being an eye witness.
All verses that say the tomb was ALREADY empty.
Neither do I, but that divine revelation was that sight of the angel rolling the stone away, not a piece of information flashes across anybody's own mind. The real alternative is that in Mark, Luke and John, this part is skipped, those women saw that from a distance, when they drew near they found the tomb empty.
Which says nothing of whether Jesus exited on foot or not.
I am not sure what you are saying here. You think it had to be witnessed by someone, I am saying that is not the case.
He couldn't exit on foot when the tomb was still shut and the guards were still there. Again, prior to Matt. 28:2-4, nothing happened; after that, tomb was already empty. Nobody walked out of it in between. "Walked right out again" is actually a line in Thank You Jesus for the Blood by Charity Gayle, I love that song, heard it performed at sunday service, but unfortunately that doesn't seem to be accurate.
Then how did they know that? How else did the women know that if not for that angel telling them that Jesus is alive, not in the tomb anymore? Seeing all that was THE divine revelation.
I am not sure why you find it so difficult to believe that Jesus could have walked out after the stone was rolled away.
Being an eye witness and having something revealed by divine revelation are two different things.
Because he didn't. No record of that. Again, after the stone was rolled away, the tomb was ALREADY empty.
But in this case, that "something" was the angel.
By the time anyone got there, the tomb was empty. That does not in any way mean Jesus could not have walked out, and there is absolutely nothing in the text saying, suggesting, or in any way hinting that He did not.
Non sensical. The angel did not say one way or another how Jesus exited the tomb, only that He had.
Nor does the text say the women witnessed the stone being rolled away.
It is a fanciful thing to imagine, though.
So there's a long interval between Matt 28:4 and 28:5? The angel escorted Jesus out and waited there for the women? No verse indicated such an interval. Angel didn't roll away the stone for Jesus to walk out, but for the women to enter in and examine.
Angel said in 28:5 -"Do not be AFRAID." That suggests the women were afraid, they would've fainted like the guards, but the angel told them not to. What else would they be afraid of other than that sight? The earthquake? That's not any imagination, angel said it to the women who were present at the moment.
When Jesus Yeshua, the first born of the Resurrection rose from the dead, He was already being transformed. The most outstanding proof of this was when He appeared to Thomas, who doubted, in the closed and locked room
Another indication of His being transformed is when He said, "do not touch me for I am not yet fully transformed."
Always keep in mind, we are referring to the Almighty here, and dHe will do whatever pleases Him to do, and doubting this is a demonstration of being weak in the faith. All who do must pray as I do for our faith to be perfected.
Another indication of His being transformed is when He said, "do not touch me for I am not yet fully transformed."
Always keep in mind, we are referring to the Almighty here, and dHe will do whatever pleases Him to do, and doubting this is a demonstration of being weak in the faith. All who do must pray as I do for our faith to be perfected.
Alright, I posted all these verses to suggest that the women were presence. Which verse suggests that the women were not present? Jesus was resurrected in a new body, not the old beaten corpse. That's neither imagination nor assumption.
Didn't he say "I have not yet ascended to my father?" By the way, according to some articles I read, "don't touch me" in original Greek actually means "don't keep touching me", therefore in most modern versions it's translated "don't cling to me."
Did the stone need to be rolled away for the Lord to leave that tomb? Was he stuck inside?
Why do you pretend I said the women were not at the tomb? Or that Jesus did not resurrect in a new body?
You assume that the women witnessed the stone being rolled away.
Nothing in the text suggests it.
That you choose to veer away from that to insinuations of me denying things the text does say is noxious.