Should Christians eat pork?

JaumeJ · Oct 20, 2012

Does this teaching shed any light on the subject?

Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
Act 15:25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
Act 15:26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Act 15:27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.
Act 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
Act 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

RickShafer · Oct 20, 2012

Oh no JaumeJ,
You mentioned meats!
Actually I do believe in fruit bearing seeds as a major health benefit.
Vitamin B17 is found in all fruit seeds except citrus.
It has been found to have a molecule that kills cancer.
(Amygdalin, or Laetriel) - Call me crazy but I know it to be true.
I witnessed a cyst disappear from my neck as I ate two pounds of apricot seeds
over a period of time.
I know it works - Gen. 1:29; God's word doesn't lie.

JaumeJ · Oct 20, 2012

RickShafer said:

About mentioning meats "?" I also like to use what the Lord has given us for health. Something good to have for a good night's sleep is a tablespoon of honey with about a half teaspoon of cinamon. I tried it, and I had a very good sleep, but it was just to see if it worked. Also ginger is good against certain skin eruptions, and it is said even certain cancer. Whatever I ever do, I ask the Lord to bless it either way. Now, what about that mentioning meat? Sometimes when the reference is "meats" it refers to food in general. I will research that one too...........I got back in time, here are comparatives from various versions of the Word.....I think meats here means any foods......

Act 15:29
(ASV) that ye abstain from things sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication; from which if ye keep yourselves, it shall be well with you. Fare ye well.
(Darby) to abstain from things sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what is strangled, and from fornication; keeping yourselves from which ye will do well. Farewell.
(DRB) That you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication: from which things keeping yourselves, you shall do well. Fare ye well.
(FDB) qu'on s'abstienne des choses sacrifiées aux idoles, et du sang, et de ce qui est étouffé, et de la fornication. Si vous vous gardez de ces choses, vous ferez bien. Portez-vous bien.
(FLS) savoir, de vous abstenir des viandes sacrifiées aux idoles, du sang, des animaux étouffés, et de l'impudicité, choses contre lesquelles vous vous trouverez bien de vous tenir en garde. Adieu.

(HNT)

אשר תרחקו מזבחי אלילים ומן־הדם ומבשר הנחנק ומן־הזנות אם־מאלה תשמרו את־נפשתיכם תיטיבו לעשות ושלום לכם׃

(INR) di astenervi dalle carni sacrificate agli idoli, dal sangue, dagli animali soffocati, e dalla fornicazione; da queste cose farete bene a guardarvi. State sani".
(IRL) cioè: che v'asteniate dalle cose sacrificate agl'idoli, dal sangue, dalle cose soffocate, e dalla fornicazione; dalle quali cose ben farete a guardarvi. State sani.
(KJV) That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
(KJV+) That ye abstainG567 from meats offered to idols,G1494 andG2532 from blood,G129 andG2532 from things strangled,G4156 andG2532 from fornication:G4202 fromG1537 whichG3739 if ye keepG1301 yourselves,G1438 ye shall doG4238 well.G2095 Fare ye well.G4517
(ROB) Să vă feriţi de cele jertfite idolilor şi de sânge şi de (animale) sugrumate şi de desfrâu, de care păzindu-vă, bine veţi face. Fiţi sănătoşi!
(SSE) Que os abstengáis de cosas sacrificadas a ídolos, y de sangre, y de lo ahogado, y de fornicación; de las cuales cosas si os guardareis, bien haréis. Pasadlo bien.
(Vulgate) ut abstineatis vos ab immolatis simulacrorum et sanguine suffocato et fornicatione a quibus custodientes vos bene agetis valete
(Webster) That ye abstain from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from lewdness: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye will do well. Fare ye well.
(WNT) You must abstain from things sacrificed to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from fornication. Keep yourselves clear of these things, and it will be well with you. Farewell."

libertygirl · Oct 20, 2012

megaman125 said:

5. My last point is going to be a warning, a warning not to go down the path of legalism. That's the path the pharisees were on, and we shouldn't want to be like them. Now I certainly wouldn't stop anyone that doesn't want to eat the unclean animals (again, Romans 14:6 on abstaining), but keep in mind that you're getting dangerously close to legalism and trying to do works to earn salvation, so please just be weary of that (I've heard this stuff from other people, and they went as far as accusing people who ate pork of not loving God, rejecting God, God rejecting them, and not being saved). Again, eating pork is not even a sin, so in no way should that even affect a person's salvation.

Amen, this is true.

RickShafer · Oct 20, 2012

Yea, your right Jaume.
Meats mean, like foodstuffs.
After all, they offered all sorts of things to idols.
I was kidding about 'the meats'.
Although, here in America we have a tremendous problem with hearts, - (attacks and disease),
because of all the red meat we consume.
Fish is good. Jesus actually made fish, in more ways than one.
He cooked it, He multiplied it, and He created it. - I like fish.

psychomom · Oct 20, 2012

RickShafer said:

Mmmm...salmon! I think I'll go cook some right now, to the dismay of my kiddos who wonder why the house has to smell like fish all the time.

They'll have to be patient, though, since we had sole yesterday...lol

babyboyblue · Oct 20, 2012

RickShafer said:

Since when is the body and soul two separate entities? Body+Life = soul
Eating right is good and so is eating the right thing.
Your spiritual make up has a lot to do with obedience.

Romans 6:16

16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

RickShafer · Oct 20, 2012

babyboyblue said:

Let me get this straight...
Body + Life = Soul ??
Is that what you said?

We are three parts: body, soul and spirit.
The soul is our mind, will, and emotions.
The body dies. The soul is separate from that.
The spirit is that part of us that either serves God or mammon.
Sin has little or nothing to do with what state our bodies are in.
There are many weak and feeble people who are strong in the faith.
Don't confuse eating right with serving God.
There are many strong, healthy people who's total outlook, (on everything), rests in their physical wellness.
This is a somber mistake.
For the body passes away.
Obedience to God is so much more than what you put in your body.
Take care of it but don't think that by being physically well you are serving God.
Try obedience of the soul - (the mind, will, and emotions).

sweetspiritgirl · Oct 20, 2012

Thats under the old testiment..were in the new . God gave men the demonion over all animals..he provided meat for mans food as he did the tres the fields and so forth.. I dont judge anyone on what they eat..whats unclean for some may not be cleanfor another ..I eat meat i eat off the trees and from the fields all which God provided

angelofmercy · Oct 20, 2012

These arguments will NEVER cease!

What is the difference between one who eats pork and one who doesn't?

Hard to tell since once again the grave is indiscriminate.

babyboyblue · Oct 20, 2012

RickShafer said:

Yes you read correct.
Genesis 2:7

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Looks like two parts to me. Body made of dust + breath of God = Living Soul.

RickShafer said:

We are three parts: body, soul and spirit. - Where the scripture for this?
The soul is our mind, will, and emotions. - What grade school you went to? Your mind is your mind.
The body dies. The soul is separate from that. - Body dies and the breath separates.
The spirit is that part of us that either serves God or mammon. - The spirit is the breath of God.
Sin has little or nothing to do with what state our bodies are in. - Sin has everything to do with the state of our bodies.
There are many weak and feeble people who are strong in the faith. - Faith is faith. Not physical
Don't confuse eating right with serving God. - Don't confuse disobedience with serving God.
There are many strong, healthy people who's total outlook, (on everything), rests in their physical wellness. - Physical wellness is one thing. Your relationship with God is another.
This is a somber mistake. - Yes, that you made.
For the body passes away. - It sure does.
Obedience to God is so much more than what you put in your body. - Obedience to God is so much more, including what you put in the body for you are the temple of the Holy Spirit (1 cor 6:19)
Take care of it but don't think that by being physically well you are serving God. - Taking care of your body is a part of serving God.
1 Corinthians 10:31

31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

Try obedience of the soul - (the mind, will, and emotions) - How can one be obedience OF the soul. You can be obedient IN the soul.

RickShafer · Oct 20, 2012

"God is a Spirit: and they that worship Him, must worship Him
in spirit and in truth." John 4:24 - (You left out this part, God)
You got the body(dust), and you have the soul, but you overlooked the actual Spirit that breathed life
into him. As I said, man is three parts. Body, soul, and spirit. And as I pointed out, the spirit is left to who
resides in that body and soul - whether God or mammon.
"No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one,
and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. (Matt. 6:24)

Since you have no clue what the soul is I'll leave it there.

babyboyblue · Oct 20, 2012

RickShafer said:

I disagree with all of that.

God is a Spirit and they that worship Him worship IN spirit and in truth. Not AS a spirit and in truth.
I would still like to see the passage that says God created body, soul and spirit.

The Spirit that breathed the life into Man was God.
Genesis 1:2

... And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

But we seemed to have gotten off topic.... I reiterate Christians have no place eating that which has been deemed unclean by the Bible. Leave it alone.
Matthew 7:14

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

RickShafer said:

PS: I took offense to this. Are you an expert in this thing? Just because you believe something different than I do; doesn't give you the right to say I don't know what I'm talking about.

RickShafer · Oct 20, 2012

babyboyblue said:

Please reread it. I quoted the scripture verbatim. I didn't say "AS a spirit".
I'm sorry if I offended you.
I frankly think the over emphasis on diet and the body is wrong.
I was merely pointing out what the apostle Paul said in Timothy 4:8 "For bodily exercise profiteth little:
but godliness profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and that which is to come."
And I pointed to this fact. You see, I tend to rile against the makings of outward righteousness attained,
(as claimed), by what one eats or what one wears.
I'll restate what I paraphrased previously - "Do not ye understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught? But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man." - Matt.15:17,18.
And as for who made me an expert, nobody. The three part nature of man is common biblical knowledge.
But if I've offended you I'm truly sorry.
Please forgive me.

babyboyblue · Oct 20, 2012

RickShafer said:

Thank you. Apology accepted.

To use the two verses you gave:

Tim 4:8 - How does one expect to be express godliness through disobedience to God?
Matt 15 - Let's look at verse 19 as well.

Matthew 15:17-19

King James Version (KJV)

17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

This God used to show by what comes out of their mouth is what's in their heart. Only a disobedient person would (knowingly or not) disobey the word of God. What you eat, drink, wear, talk, think, look, watch, live, shop, drive, study ... everything you do comes from the heart and shows the world the type of person you are.

Whatsoever you do, do it to the glory of God. If God said do not eat pig, How can you give glory to him by treating his command as not important and eating it?

RickShafer · Oct 20, 2012

Outward is for show.
If anything these verses have made clear, it is the tantamount
difference between the carnal-(or physical); and the spiritual.
The theme of these verses is most stridently translucent.
Read Acts 10:10-15.
The four-footed beasts are not deer or oxen, they are beasts that Peter objected to eating.
What did the voice say? "Rise, Peter; kill, and eat."
And when Peter objected, the voice came to him again saying "What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common."
And verily this was a sign that the gospel was to be taken to the gentiles (which is the only real importance of it), but
see what the voice commanded him. This is the new testament written in Jesus' blood. 'The old things are past away and behold
all things have become new.'
There is a greater truth here.
But as to such a small thing as pertaining to certain animals and meats....it is covered under the blood.
Do I eat pork? No. But not because it's not lawful.(See how the voice changed the dietary law.) But because it's not good for me.
As Paul says, "all things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient." (I Cor. 6:12)

Laodicea · Oct 20, 2012

Jesus died to make us clean He did not die to make pork clean. Why would people think that pork is now clean since Jesus death and resurrection?

RickShafer · Oct 20, 2012

All I do is read the word,
and react to what it says.
Hey Laodicea; how do you read those verses: Acts 10:10-15?
What was the voice saying?
Just for my own edification; could you please enlighten me?

Nautilus · Oct 20, 2012

bacon....yeah im eating pork

weakness · Oct 20, 2012

Take heed that you DON'T BITE AND DEVOUR ONE ANOTHER

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