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Just would like to point out a correction here. During the time of Job, the Throne was in Heaven, and not on Earth. It will not be on Earth until the New City Jerusalem comes to the Earth. At the time of Job, the Throne was in Heaven. satan did not go to Heaven and be at the Throne. The Lord was on Earth in those days, that is where satan spoke with the Lord, on Earth, where he is bound. Once he was cast out of Heaven, he is to never return there.
Are you suggesting that medicine is not of God but from satan? Could not Jesus have cured the blind man by His mere words, but He did not do that, but spit in dirt from the earth, to make a cure for the blind man. He did this very thing to show us, that things of the Earth mixed with things of God, can cure sicknesses and the such. Why did Jesus use the dirt? is it not as you say the arm of the flesh, dirt being from the Earth
Are not all medicines deriv.ed from the Earth as well? Yes they are. Jesus could have merely said "See" and the man would have seen. But for our benefit, He showed us that medicines are good too, that medicines (arm of the flesh as you say) mixed with Faith (the belief that Jesus healing power mixed with medicines can work) will work, because of the Faith in the medicines
i am not saying that a person can't be healed by Faith only with no medicine. It is all about the faith. A person may have Faith that Jesus will heal them without taking any medicines at all, and He does this for that person because of their Faith. Another person may have Faith that Jesus will heal them through the medicines that they take, and He does this for that person because of their Faith. Neither are wrong for both had Faith in Jesus, yes?
i agree with you on this statement, if we are talking about the medical system today, and not the individuals that is under that system. The medical system of today is most certainly corrupt, greedy, selfish, uncaring, and the such. But that has nothing to do with individuals that have real issues in their flesh. Tell me can a person have faith in God that there is a cure for them via medicines? yes or no?
Are you going to be the one to tell a person not to get penicillin to cure them, when it is God that brought about penicillin?
We use wood (from the earth) to cook our food and make fires to stay warm in winters, and this is good, but to use a plant root to reduce a fever this is not good? God created all things on this planet, all things are good for He said it was good. Now if someone mixes ingredients of the Earth to make viruses are bio-hazard material, this would bad, yes? but how can taking things of the Earth and mixing them together in an attempt to HELP people be evil? Are life saving medicines from God or from the devil? If satan had his way, would he not kill everyone right now, and not give any unsaved person the chance to accept Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord? Tell me if a person (Saved or unsaved) takes a particular medicine and they are cured of the disease that they had, is that from God or from satan, that they were CURED?
And Jesus showed us a clear method, by taking something of the Earth mixed with something from Him to heal the blind man, correct?
You say you had aches and pains and even severe burns, did you use any creams at all for your burns? Aren't creams medicine? Did you take any aspirin, Tylenol, or something like that for your pain? Are they not medicines. If then you see a person who is severely burned, should you not use medicine to ease that persons pain? Or just let them suffer through the pain, knowing full well they can take some medicine to get rid of the pain.
Are you saying that life saving surgeries are ungodly? i tell you the Truth, medicines are from God, not from satan, it is not in satans interest to help people, it is in satans interest to inflict people, not to cure them, not to help them. Medicines are from God and not from satan. Now it is True that the medical system is corrupt, and there is much wrong with that system, and all medicines should be free to anyone who needs it, or very cheap. But let us not confuse who gave us medicines and life saving operations and that is God, not satan. If they are from God and not satan, how then are they evil to use? The system may indeed be evil, but the medicines and operations that that system uses and abuses, is not evil but is from God.
James 5:14-15
New King James Version (NKJV)
14 Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. 15 And the prayer of faith will save the sick, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven.
Know you not that even the Tree of Life is medicine? Consider:
Revelations22:1 And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the Tree of Life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Ezekiel47:12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.
If the leaf on the tree of life is medicine, how can it be said that medicine in not of God? When God Himself makes trees that are medicines.
Revelations22:1 And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the Tree of Life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Ezekiel47:12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.
If the leaf on the tree of life is medicine, how can it be said that medicine in not of God? When God Himself makes trees that are medicines.
Dear lesjude, if your Faith is so Strong that you need not any medicines or help from the medical system, that is awsome, and wonderful. one of the gifts of the Spirit is the gift of Faith. Not everyone has that particular gift buy may have one of the other gifts
. Not everyone is at the same level of Spiritually either, for as it is written one may be on milk of the word and another on meat of the word. Clearly different levels. If your Faith is so strong that you believe you need not medicines at all, that you rely 100% on Jesus to take care of you and heal you of anything at all. That is awesome and great, would that all would have this kind of Faith. But they all do not, It is however wrong to tell others who have little faith that they should have faith as you do, when they are not at that level that you are at. If then you believe you do not need to take any medicines that is where your spiritual level is at. But another who believes that Jesus will cure them via medicines is at another level than what you are on. you are wrong to tell them to be at the level that you are on, when they have not reached that level of Faith yet. For example you said above you were healed instantly or very quickly, if this would not have happened, and you lived in aches and pain and severe burns for many years, you might not be at the level of Faith that you are at now. Being miraculously healed as you indicate plays a very huge part in where you are at spiritually in your Faith. If you weren't healed miraculously, you might not be at the spiritual level that you are now. My point is many Christians are crawling, some walking, some are running, few are flying. for one that is running, telling people they should not be crawling is not thinking about the process it takes for one to run. To run you must first crawl then walk. There is an order of things, and not everyone is running, not everyone is flying, not everyone is crawling, not everyone is walking. Everyone is at a different level and it is a process for one to reach the level that you are on, saying you trust Jesus 100% and need not any medicines or surgeries. What happens when you try to feed a baby a steak? They will not be able to swallow it or they will puke it up all over you. If you eat steak, fine, but do not try to feed steak to people who are not at that level yet.
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This is EXACTLY why I post which is tell people what is available to them by grace through faith by giving them the word and our testimony of NORMAL Christianity.They have to want it and submit to the training. Religion is the opiate of the people. Most seem to let religious systems do their thinking for them.
I asked a navy carrier pilot who taught pilots the techniques to land on carriers why some failed and some made it. He said the pilots were about equal in flying ability when he got them. The ones that made it he said were the ones that wanted it more then anything.