sinless? or sinning less.

[resurrection33]

What are your thoughts on sinless perfection? Can a person become sinless in this life?

Yes, I think we can repent of all of our sin in this lifetime. I think the Lord wants us to do just that. Jesus said:

You, therefore, must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. Matt 5:48 RSV

I can't think of a commandment that is impossible to follow, though I'll admit I've had my share of failures.

 

[DiscipleDave]

DiscipleDave said

Now lets say that Johnny started fornicating, in the year 2010. And in the year 2012 Johnny Appleseed was still fornicating, now for the last two years Johnny after he got done fornicating, repented every single time, and asked for forgiveness. In the year 2012 Johnny is hit by a car and is killed. Johnny then wakes up many years into the future and it is judgment Day. and he is Judged as a fornicator, and the Word of God teaches that no fornicator will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. So they CAN'T let Johnny into Heaven, because he is a fornicator, and even though he repented after each time he fornicated, forgiveness is only granted to those who are Truly Sorrow from the hearth, truly repent. If John would have Truly repented and cease to ever fornicate again, he would not be judged as a fornicator.

What I understand, in spite of your claim to the contrary, that you are preaching judgement/condemnation under the law.

If i teach we are no longer under the law, and i have articles that teach we are not under the law, nor do we have to obey those LAWS Why would i be preaching judgement/condemnation under the law? i wouldn't. your understanding is flawed because you think i am.

You call what God has cleansed, unclean.

Doesn't the Bible teach that dog returns to his own vomit, and that the pig that was made clean returning to the mud. i am not calling what God has cleansed unclean, people after they are clean choose their own selves to get dirty again.

Now i know what this generation thinks, that as soon as they are Saved, they are cleaned, and forever remain that way, and there is no possible chance of becoming unclean, BUT Scriptures teach contrary to that line of thinking.

I John 1:7 But if (CONDITIONAL) we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

When is a person cleansed by His Blood according to the Word of God? When that person is walking in the light, and NOT walking in darkness. All sin is darkness. So do i believe men which teach we are cleansed no matter what we do, or believe Scriptures? Scriptures win every time, sorry false teachers.

BTW, you misunderstand scripture. The fornicator who is turned away refers to those spiritually fornicating with Hagar, who is symbolic for righteousness by works of the law, Gal 4:24. It's spiritual fornicators that scripture refers to.

lol, was not referring to that Scripture but this one:

I Cor 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Let Scriptures be True and what men teach to be a lie. NO fornicator shall inherit the Kingdom of God. Don't need a degree to read and understand this verse. Of course if a person does not agree with this verse, they will try to interpret it to mean something other than what is plainly says, they will take it to the Hebrew or Greek, or say i am taking the verse out of context, or say i am teaching hate, or whatever else they can say, as to NOT BELIEVE the verse. So you have effectively negated or made void Gal 4:24. What will you say to negate or make void the above verses as to apply to fornicators? We shall see.

But what you seem to be preaching is we must be perfected by the flesh (Gal 3).

Your assumption is wrong. The flesh is sinful, imperfect, desires to sin continually, filthy rags, corrupted, a tool satan uses against us. We are perfected by Jesus Christ in us, giving us the Power and Strength to overcome the flesh and its wicked ways. i have been celibate for over 7 years now, do you think my flesh has stopped lusting? Do you think i no longer desire to have a sexual relationship, to feel the tough of a woman? Do you think my flesh does not desire to fornicate? my flesh is evil and wicked, and is NOT perfect. However He that lives in my is PERFECT and through Him i do not obey my sinful, wicked, evil flesh that desires to sin. It is Jesus in us that we are perfected by and through His Strength and Power to overcome any (ANY) temptation that comes upon us.

Those who preach messages of judgement/condemnation under the law are the liar that 1John 2:22 speaks against.

i 100% agree, glad i am not one who does that.

By their works of the law they deny God, Tit 1:16. They deny that Jesus is the Christ, the savior of the world, as they preach righteousness by deeds of the law, which is what you seem to be doing.

Nope, only your understanding of what i am teaching is in error here. We are not under the Law, but what we are under is the NEW commandment Jesus Gave to us Christians to follow, and it was not a request, but a commandment, and that is to LOVE ONE ANOTHER. Those who fail to LOVE ONE ANOTHER commit sin, not because it is some kind of LAW or ordinance, or whatever else, but because we fail to obey our Master and Lord Jesus Christ which commanded us to LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

Under the old covenant, a person committed sin by breaking a Law. under the new covenant a person commits sin when they fail to LOVE ONE ANOTHER as commanded by our Savior Jesus Christ

I John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
[SUP]23[/SUP]And this is his commandment, That we should 1) believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and 2) LOVE ONE ANOTHER, as he gave us commandment.
[SUP]24[/SUP]And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Those who don't keep His Commandment commits sin.

DiscipleDave said

Now we are commanded to forgive others their trespasses against us. We do not judge if they are worthy or not to receive such forgiveness, we are commanded to forgive them. God is not under the same commandment. God is not commanded to forgive us. God is a Judge. God decides who He will forgive and who He will not forgive.

Ahh... so you claim God is less forgiving than Christians are.
And that in spite of the fact that God is love.

Are you one of those who believe that EVERYONE is going to Heaven? Because God is LOVE and won't possibly send anyone there, is that what you believe? Tell me, all those who end up in Hell. Did God forgive them?

Apparently you view God on one side of the coin. LOVE side, and not the other side, that is wrath, vengeance, Judge, bringer of the Tribulations, Punisher, Reap what sow, such as if you reap to the flesh, of the flesh you shall reap corruption FROM GOD.

And because people only view one side of the coin, they have a warped ideal about who God is, and this is the reason there is not fear of God in them, which is the beginning of knowledge. Why would you fear God if He is all LOVE and nothing else? you wouldn't. But Scriptures plainly teach us who God is, and what He is capable of.

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[DiscipleDave]

I agree.

And how does one do righteousness?

Either of the 2 following options.
Option 1: PERFECT obedience to the law of righteousness.
OR
Option 2: Believing on Jesus, thus our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5. Note also here that our works are to believe on Jesus, John 6:29. God's will is that we believe on Jesus, John 6:40. We overcome the world when we believe on Jesus, 1John 5:5. Jesus'commandment is that we believe on him, John 3:16.

And we CANNOT mix these 2 options together. We cannot mix works of the law, with grace.
Rom 11:6
And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

So how do you see those Adventists I described to you before?
They're divorcees who married another, which Mark 10:11,12 says is adultery?
Are they lost, or did they just slip up and still are saved?

You do major error in your assumption in option 2. Don't get me wrong i agree with option 2, but you forget a Major component in option 2, convienent i think, because you don't believe it.

Here is what you said:

Option 2: Believing on Jesus, thus our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5. Note also here that our works are to believe on Jesus, John 6:29. God's will is that we believe on Jesus, John 6:40. We overcome the world when we believe on Jesus, 1John 5:5. Jesus'commandment is that we believe on him, John 3:16.

Here is what you should have said:

Option 2: Believing on Jesus, thus our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5. Note also here that our works are to believe on Jesus, AND LOVE ONE ANOTHER. John 6:29. God's will is that we believe on Jesus, John 6:40. We overcome the world when we believe on Jesus, 1John 5:5. Jesus'commandment is that we believe on him, AND LOVE ONE ANOTHER. John 3:16.

Here is His commandment according to the Word of God:

I John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
[SUP]23[/SUP]And this is his commandment, That we should 1) believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ (You got this one down pact), and 2) LOVE ONE ANOTHER (This you failed to mention whatsoever), as he gave us commandment.
[SUP]24[/SUP]And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Notice how you conveniently left out LOVE ONE ANOTHER, because you don't believe you have to have any works at all, that believing is enough, with nothing else required, you are wrong. to LOVE ONE ANOTHER, is to have works. Read James, he talks about those who have Faith only with no works. You say you can't mix the two, because you are confused and do not understand the Truth. Those who believe Jesus AND LOVE ONE ANOTHER, will most assuredly have Works to support their Faith. Faith and Works go hand in hand, and if you read the article, you will see many Scriptures which teach exactly that.

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[DiscipleDave]

Sorry, to many posts, i did not respond to anyone who might have asked me a question after post #233

If you did, please re ask your question if it is after post #233

Again sorry.

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[skylove7]

You do major error in your assumption in option 2. Don't get me wrong i agree with option 2, but you forget a Major component in option 2, convienent i think, because you don't believe it.

Here is what you said:

Option 2: Believing on Jesus, thus our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5. Note also here that our works are to believe on Jesus, John 6:29. God's will is that we believe on Jesus, John 6:40. We overcome the world when we believe on Jesus, 1John 5:5. Jesus'commandment is that we believe on him, John 3:16.

Here is what you should have said:

Option 2: Believing on Jesus, thus our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5. Note also here that our works are to believe on Jesus, AND LOVE ONE ANOTHER. John 6:29. God's will is that we believe on Jesus, John 6:40. We overcome the world when we believe on Jesus, 1John 5:5. Jesus'commandment is that we believe on him, AND LOVE ONE ANOTHER. John 3:16.

Here is His commandment according to the Word of God:

I John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
[SUP]23[/SUP]And this is his commandment, That we should 1) believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ (You got this one down pact), and 2) LOVE ONE ANOTHER (This you failed to mention whatsoever), as he gave us commandment.
[SUP]24[/SUP]And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Notice how you conveniently left out LOVE ONE ANOTHER, because you don't believe you have to have any works at all, that believing is enough, with nothing else required, you are wrong. to LOVE ONE ANOTHER, is to have works. Read James, he talks about those who have Faith only with no works. You say you can't mix the two, because you are confused and do not understand the Truth. Those who believe Jesus AND LOVE ONE ANOTHER, will most assuredly have Works to support their Faith. Faith and Works go hand in hand, and if you read the article, you will see many Scriptures which teach exactly that.

^i^ Responding to Post #233

Amen DiscipleDave! You always speak the importance of loving one another! Very important, thanks! So happy you are well! God bless you and your work.

 

[michael56]

You do major error in your assumption in option 2. Don't get me wrong i agree with option 2, but you forget a Major component in option 2, convienent i think, because you don't believe it.

Here is what you said:

Option 2: Believing on Jesus, thus our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5. Note also here that our works are to believe on Jesus, John 6:29. God's will is that we believe on Jesus, John 6:40. We overcome the world when we believe on Jesus, 1John 5:5. Jesus'commandment is that we believe on him, John 3:16.

Here is what you should have said:

Option 2: Believing on Jesus, thus our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5. Note also here that our works are to believe on Jesus, AND LOVE ONE ANOTHER. John 6:29. God's will is that we believe on Jesus, John 6:40. We overcome the world when we believe on Jesus, 1John 5:5. Jesus'commandment is that we believe on him, AND LOVE ONE ANOTHER. John 3:16.

Here is His commandment according to the Word of God:

I John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
[SUP]23[/SUP]And this is his commandment, That we should 1) believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ (You got this one down pact), and 2) LOVE ONE ANOTHER (This you failed to mention whatsoever), as he gave us commandment.
[SUP]24[/SUP]And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Notice how you conveniently left out LOVE ONE ANOTHER, because you don't believe you have to have any works at all, that believing is enough, with nothing else required, you are wrong. to LOVE ONE ANOTHER, is to have works. Read James, he talks about those who have Faith only with no works. You say you can't mix the two, because you are confused and do not understand the Truth. Those who believe Jesus AND LOVE ONE ANOTHER, will most assuredly have Works to support their Faith. Faith and Works go hand in hand, and if you read the article, you will see many Scriptures which teach exactly that.

^i^ Responding to Post #233

You do major error in your assumption in option 2. Don't get me wrong i agree with option 2, but you forget a Major component in option 2, convienent i think, because you don't believe it.

Now here is what you should have said:

Love is a fruit of the Spirit and comes from faith. We do not naturally love as the bible teaches us to love. Obedience comes from faith(Rom1:5)
Therefore we obey, by loving through faith. You omitted to mention that

 

[haz]

If i teach we are no longer under the law, and i have articles that teach we are not under the law, nor do we have to obey those LAWS

Therefore I assume you do not keep the Sabbath?

When is a person cleansed by His Blood according to the Word of God? When that person is walking in the light, and NOT walking in darkness. All sin is darkness. So do i believe men which teach we are cleansed no matter what we do, or believe Scriptures? Scriptures win every time, sorry false teachers.

So you claim that if a Christians is not living perfect in behavior as you see it, then they are in darkness/lost?

was not referring to that Scripture but this one:

I Cor 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Let Scriptures be True and what men teach to be a lie. NO fornicator shall inherit the Kingdom of God. Don't need a degree to read and understand this verse. Of course if a person does not agree with this verse, they will try to interpret it to mean something other than what is plainly says, they will take it to the Hebrew or Greek, or say i am taking the verse out of context, or say i am teaching hate, or whatever else they can say, as to NOT BELIEVE the verse. So you have effectively negated or made void Gal 4:24. What will you say to negate or make void the above verses as to apply to fornicators? We shall see.

You err in looking only in physical terms, just as Nicodemus did.

The sexual immorality spoken of in scripture refers to spiritual sexual immorality with Hagar, who is symbolic for righteousness by works of the law, Gal 4:24. There are many warnings in the NT against turning back to the law for righteousness by works.

Drunkenness, for example, is also spiritual.
Consider Rev 17:1,2
Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and talked with me, saying to me, “Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters, with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

There is no physical wine made from physical fornication. It's all spiritual, and remember that scripture is spiritually discerned, 1Cor 2:14.

We are not under the Law, but what we are under is the NEW commandment Jesus Gave to us Christians to follow, and it was not a request, but a commandment, and that is to LOVE ONE ANOTHER. Those who fail to LOVE ONE ANOTHER commit sin, not because it is some kind of LAW or ordinance, or whatever else, but because we fail to obey our Master and Lord Jesus Christ which commanded us to LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

Under the old covenant, a person committed sin by breaking a Law. under the new covenant a person commits sin when they fail to LOVE ONE ANOTHER as commanded by our Savior Jesus Christ

And the wages of sin is death, so when a Christian slips up for whatever reason you say they are in darkness/lost, facing death.

That's loving??!

Jesus said we are to forgive 7x70.
But according to the doctrine you follow, God is less forgiving than He calls for us to be.

Love is long suffering. It forgives 7x70. And considering that none of us is perfect in physical behavior, I see loving one another includes forgiving one another just as God forgave us.

It seems the doctrine you follow is similar to the view that that servant, who had been forgiven his debt by the king, but then went and had his fellow servant cast into prison until he pay his debt.

Tell me, all those who end up in Hell. Did God forgive them?

The sin that the world is convicted of is unbelief in Jesus, John 16:9. Those in Hell are unbelievers who rejected Christ.

 

[haz]

Notice how you conveniently left out LOVE ONE ANOTHER, because you don't believe you have to have any works at all, that believing is enough, with nothing else required, you are wrong. to LOVE ONE ANOTHER, is to have works. Read James, he talks about those who have Faith only with no works. You say you can't mix the two, because you are confused and do not understand the Truth. Those who believe Jesus AND LOVE ONE ANOTHER, will most assuredly have Works to support their Faith. Faith and Works go hand in hand, and if you read the article, you will see many Scriptures which teach exactly that.

Yes, James 2 does speak of works that shows our faith. But you misunderstand it as you still look only in physical terms.

Consider the examples James 2 uses of clothing the naked and feeding the hungry.

BTW, there are non-Christians who also clothe the naked and feed the hungry so how are such physical works any different from what Christians do?

So who are the naked James 2 refers to?

It refers to the lost, the spiritually naked who lack the robes of righteousness, the garment of salvation.
Isa 61:10.
I will greatly rejoice in the Lord,
My soul shall be joyful in my God;
For He has clothed me with the garments of salvation,
He has covered me with the robe of righteousness,

And who are the hungry James 2 refers to?
It refers to the lost, the spiritually hungry who lack Christ our spiritual food.
1Cor 10:3,4
all ate the same spiritual food, and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.

Our works are to believe on Jesus (John 6:29), and these works can be seen in that we let our light (Christ in us) shine in love for others, preaching the gospel to them so that their spiritual nakedness can be covered with the robes of righteousness, and that they can have spiritual food (Christ).

Matt 5:14-16
“You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden.Nor do they light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house.Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven.

 

[DiscipleDave]

You do major error in your assumption in option 2. Don't get me wrong i agree with option 2, but you forget a Major component in option 2, convienent i think, because you don't believe it.

Now here is what you should have said:

Love is a fruit of the Spirit and comes from faith. We do not naturally love as the bible teaches us to love. Obedience comes from faith(Rom1:5)
Therefore we obey, by loving through faith. You omitted to mention that

If there is a homeless guy asking for food, and i give to him because i love him, and have compassion on him, did i give him food by loving through faith, or by LOVING ONE ANOTHER?

Those who use the "Loving through faith" Card, excuse themselves from LOVING ONE ANOTHER through deeds, through works. they believe they are fine, just merely loving through Faith. lol, that like saying the family down the road is starving, let us love them in Faith and pray from them. No wait, let us go a little bit farther in loving them through faith and let our family fast for a day and pray as well. Therefore they effectively have loved through Faith, but did nothing to help them by deeds, you know such as going there and giving them food.
The person in the parable that was beaten and left on the side of the road and everybody walked by him on the other side of the road, i wander how many loved him through Faith, you know saying a pray for him, "Lord, please help that beaten man"

Faith is ONLY HALF of the commandment. and i did not ommit anything, because i clearly quoted Scriptures. But for you, i will quote it again.

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should 1) believe (FAITH) on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and 2) LOVE ONE ANOTHER, (WORKS) as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

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[DiscipleDave]

DiscipleDave said.

If i teach we are no longer under the law, and i have articles that teach we are not under the law, nor do we have to obey those LAWS

Therefore I assume you do not keep the Sabbath?

Therefore I assume you do not keep the Sabbath?

i have kept the Sabbath for over 12 years now, what does that have to do with what i said. Do i keep the Sabbath because Chrsitians are commanded to do so? NO. Do i keep the Sabbath because Jesus instructed Christians to do so, He didn't. Do i keep the Sabbath because the Apostles taught Christians to continue to keep the Sabbath, they didn't either. i keep the Sabbath because i want to keep it. NOT because i HAVE TO KEEP IT. The Truth is we Christians are not obligated or commanded to keep the laws of the old Testament, and if you were to read the article by clicking the website below, you would see the Scriptural proof that we don't have to.

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[DiscipleDave]

DiscipleDave said

When is a person cleansed by His Blood according to the Word of God? When that person is walking in the light, and NOT walking in darkness. All sin is darkness. So do i believe men which teach we are cleansed no matter what we do, or believe Scriptures? Scriptures win every time, sorry false teachers.

So you claim that if a Christians is not living perfect in behavior as you see it, then they are in darkness/lost?

nope, not as i see it, but as the Word of God teaches it. What i think, is irrelevant, prone to error and corruption. The Bible is clear what is darkness. Do a study and you too can learn that all sin is darkness.

DiscipleDave said

was not referring to that Scripture but this one:

I Cor 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Let Scriptures be True and what men teach to be a lie. NO fornicator shall inherit the Kingdom of God. Don't need a degree to read and understand this verse. Of course if a person does not agree with this verse, they will try to interpret it to mean something other than what is plainly says, they will take it to the Hebrew or Greek, or say i am taking the verse out of context, or say i am teaching hate, or whatever else they can say, as to NOT BELIEVE the verse. So you have effectively negated or made void Gal 4:24. What will you say to negate or make void the above verses as to apply to fornicators? We shall see.

You err in looking only in physical terms, just as Nicodemus did.

The sexual immorality spoken of in scripture refers to spiritual sexual immorality with Hagar, who is symbolic for righteousness by works of the law, Gal 4:24. There are many warnings in the NT against turning back to the law for righteousness by works.

Do you know who else says exactly the same thing you do here? Those who profess to be Christian and have no desire to stop fornicating, therefore use whatever means they can to excuse their fornicating, which you have successfully given them, if they were to believe the words from you. So according to you fornication is NOT fornication, but fornication is spiritual fornication. So all those who are spiritually fornicating will not enter into Heaven, is that correct?

Drunkenness, for example, is also spiritual.
Consider Rev 17:1,2
Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and talked with me, saying to me, “Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters, with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

This has NOTHING to do with the verse that plainly teaches that fornicators and drunkards will not enter into Heaven, but i see you made a good try of it to excuse that also.

There is no physical wine made from physical fornication. It's all spiritual, and remember that scripture is spiritually discerned, 1Cor 2:14.

lol. Are you suggesting that because it is all spiritual, that nothing is to be believed as literal, NOTHING at all? i assure you with no doubts whatsoever that no fornicator will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven, as does Scriptures plainly teach. Now you and all fornicators can try to make excuses, but will not change the Truth of Scriptures that plainly teach NO fornicator will enter into Heaven, and it does not matter how loudly you claim it is spiritual.

DiscipleDave said

We are not under the Law, but what we are under is the NEW commandment Jesus Gave to us Christians to follow, and it was not a request, but a commandment, and that is to LOVE ONE ANOTHER. Those who fail to LOVE ONE ANOTHER commit sin, not because it is some kind of LAW or ordinance, or whatever else, but because we fail to obey our Master and Lord Jesus Christ which commanded us to LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

Under the old covenant, a person committed sin by breaking a Law. under the new covenant a person commits sin when they fail to LOVE ONE ANOTHER as commanded by our Savior Jesus Christ

And the wages of sin is death, so when a Christian slips up for whatever reason you say they are in darkness/lost, facing death.

That's loving??!

You do error not know the Truth. There are three types of sin according to the Word of God
1) Sins unto Death
2) Sins not unto Death
3) Sins not forgiven unto man

A person who SLIPS, this is not a sin unto death. Nobody slips on purpose. It is written for we stumble in many things, if any man does not stumble in Word, the same is a perfect man (James 3:2) We all stumble in many things. Stumble - NOBODY Stumbles on purpose, a person stumbles by accident, unintentionally. These are not sins unto death. Sins unto death is that sin that you KNOW is sinful and you choose to do it anyways. These are sins unto death.

Jesus said we are to forgive 7x70.
But according to the doctrine you follow, God is less forgiving than He calls for us to be.

Do you not know the Bible at all brother Haz? in Acts Chapter 5 a married couple died instantly for telling one lie. Adam and Eve were kicked out of the Garden for one sin. King David lost his first born son, because of one sex act. YOU say it is my doctrine, but it is the Word of God that teaches these things. Tell me. All those that end up in Hell, will they be forgiven and let out? Do you know the Bible Brother. Over and over again, Jesus teaches us that He is going to cast people out. He even teaches that if we do not forgive others, God will not forgive us, EVER.
Make no mistake. God is not under any commandments. We Christians are commanded to forgive each other, we are commanded to forgive or not go to Heaven. God is NOT under the same commandment. You imply that because we are commanded to forgive 7 x 70 times, that God also is commanded to do the same, you do error thinking that, if that is what you believe, because it is what you are implying. As you say

God is less forgiving than He calls for us to be.

Putting God and us in the same boat. As if God is under the same obligations we are, as if God had to forgive us 7 x 70 times.

Love is long suffering. It forgives 7x70. And considering that none of us is perfect in physical behavior,

Says you, not Scriptures. Want to see all the Scriptures that teach we are to be perfect and Holy read this article Perfect / Stumble. What does the Bible call those who can't cease from sin?

2Pe_2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

I see loving one another includes forgiving one another just as God forgave us.

True, and Amen.

It seems the doctrine you follow is similar to the view that that servant, who had been forgiven his debt by the king, but then went and had his fellow servant cast into prison until he pay his debt.

huh? please explain what you mean here. Also the doctrine i follow is what the Word of God teaches, i follow no other doctrine. If anything i teach is contrary to the Word of God, then by all means, point that out. but you keep saying "my doctrine" please don't give me the credit for what i teach, it belongs to Him who gave it to me, and that is God. How evil would i be if i took credit for the Truths that He told me. Again, if what i teach (what you say is my doctrine) then show me the Scriptures that contradict what i teach. You can't, Do you know why you can't do this, because it is you that disagrees with what i teach, not the Scriptures. What i teach lines up with Scriptures, but because you do not believe the Truth, it makes you feel better by saying it is my doctrine, without giving any proof or evidence of anything that i said that is contrary to Scriptures, it is only contrary to what you THINK is the Truth. a false doctrine, is any belief that is contrary to Scriptures. So then if you think i am following a doctrine of some sort, then point out the Scriptures. If you can't do so, then let everyone else who reads this post believe the Truth.

DsicipleDave

Tell me, all those who end up in Hell. Did God forgive them?

The sin that the world is convicted of is unbelief in Jesus, John 16:9. Those in Hell are unbelievers who rejected Christ.

Seriously, what Bible are you reading? Are you reading a Bible? Anyone who is not forgiven will end up in Hell, regardless if they claim to be Christian or not. It is plainly written that if you do not forgive others, neither will you be forgiven. According to you though, ONLY those who are not Christian will end up in Hell and by believing that, you are saying that All Christians will go to Heaven. Do you want to know the hard Truth. MANY Christian will end up in Hell. saying on Judgement Day "Lord, Lord have we not got baptized? have we not gone to church every Sunday? have we not believed on your name? Are we not covered by your Blood? Are we not under Grace? Isn't Once Saved Always Saved True? And He will tell them, i never knew you because you practiced sin (living in sin) Woe to this generation indeed

Who is Judgement Day for? The UNSAVED are judged already, they are unsaved.

Psa 1:5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, ... . .. ..

Judgement Day is for all those who profess to be Christians, they will either be goat or the sheep, look up the parable by Jesus. Both call Him "Lord" When you do it not for the least of these you do it not to me.


a Warning to all who read this, Get in the Word, Study, and read it every day, you better find out the Truth before it is too late. i have read the entire Bible over 80 times in my life and even now still learning Truths. Think you know the Truth, and have not even read it once? The Bible is the road map to HEAVEN, But instead of reading it, studying it, you are going to put your trust in a man (preacher) to teach you how to get to Heaven, the blind shall lead the blind. Don't you realize that those blind do not realize they are being led by a blind man? Get into the Word, NOW, because one day is coming the Word will be outlawed. Don't believe me, don't believe any person on this planet, get into the Word yourself, it is the way to Heaven. you have been warned this day, to get into the Word, and learn the Truth for yourself.

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