Slain in the spirit?

[Blain]

You are so right. There is one truth and that truth is found in the teachings of the apostles not denominational teachings. I read just yesterday there are currently over 45,000 denominations worldwide and an expected 64,000 by 2050 if the Lord Jesus tarries.

We live in a world that expects instant gradification. And sadly the same can be said of those who want to be granted entry into the kingdom of God. The bible does not say, "Come on in, since you say you believe in Jesus. What it does say, as I know you know,
"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."

Also, the word DOES NOT SAY be ye doers of your denominations beliefs. It says, receive with meekness the engrafted word that is able to save your soul; be doers of the Word not hearers only deceiving yourselves. (James 1:21-22)

We all need to get back to what the bible actually teaches if we want to enter into the promised land of Heaven.

A side note: Something that popped into my mind years ago about the word denominations could very well be true. If the letters are twisted around something interesting is revealed. Denominations becomes Demon i nations. And what better description for institutions that pick and choose aspects of the word of God that are appealing to me, myself and I, rather than accept the sum of God's word.

Jesus said it best when the enemy challenged Him with downright deception, It is Written!

Keep in mind that Jesus said, MY sheep HEAR my VOICE... His voice is heard in the word. Those who are reborn know when the enemy is trying to deceive them. Why? Because they know what the word actually says; they've heard it straight from Jesus.

Lastly, eventhough I had received the Holy Spirit it wasn't until being rebaptized in water in the name of Jesus in accordance with the word that better comprehension stated happening. And it makes sense since Jesus said unless a person is born again they cannot SEE (comprehend) the kingdom. (John 3:3)

 

[lrs68]

As some defend it... Matthew 7:21-23 is going on right now before our very eyes.

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“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, ​

but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will ​

say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in ​

your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ ​

​

Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’​

Those who know and can understand which temporary gifts actually ended will avoid that kind.
They will sense the evil about it.

Who will say God is unfair?
When He has made it so plain to see?

No excuses...


.............

But you keep denying the most important factor about this warning.

but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

As long as someone is doing the Father's Will then they cast out demons and see miracles happening in the name of Jesus they are GOLDEN.

But you are hypocritaly misusing this portion of Scripture for YOUR PERSONAL VIEWPOINTS.

 

[Wansvic]

That is why Jesus said....

Many are saved (called) but few are chosen (to serve with Him.)

But... Only a few will find it.

Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads ​

to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow ​

and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.​

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Matthew 7:13-14​

It's true.

When taken in context the account reveals the man that was called to the wedding was not chosen because he did not have on a wedding garment.

A foreshadow of when the NT believer is adorned with the garment is found in Exodus 40.

"And thou shalt anoint the laver and his foot, and sanctify it.
And thou shalt bring Aaron and his sons unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and wash them with water. (the antitype being the NT water baptism)
And thou shalt put upon Aaron the holy garments,
and anoint him, and sanctify him; that he may minister unto me in the priest's office.

And thou shalt bring his sons, and clothe them with coats:
And thou shalt anoint them, as thou didst anoint their father, that they may minister unto me in the priest's office: for their anointing shall surely be an everlasting priesthood throughout their generations." (Ex. 40)

 

[Wansvic]

As some defend it... Matthew 7:21-23 is going on right now before our very eyes.

​

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, ​

but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will ​

say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in ​

your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ ​

​

Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’​

Those who know and can understand which temporary gifts actually ended will avoid that kind.
They will sense the evil about it.

Who will say God is unfair?
When He has made it so plain to see?

No excuses...


.............

It would seem your belief that spiritual gifts have ceased is hindering you from accepting Jesus' explanation in the account. You may want to set aside your bias and examine what the scripture reveals. Remember the enemy's tactic is to distort the truth.

 

[Genez]

Arguing against the word is not using wisdom. Jesus addressed the issue in the selfsame account:

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes." Matthew 7:21-29

Believe as you wish...
The ones who will say in that day, "Lord, Lord"... also believed what they wished.

God stops and corrects no one who is not controlled by the Spirit.

Play on, soldier.

 

[Genez]

When taken in context the account reveals the man that was called to the wedding was not chosen because he did not have on a wedding garment.

A foreshadow of when the NT believer is adorned with the garment is found in Exodus 40.

"And thou shalt anoint the laver and his foot, and sanctify it.
And thou shalt bring Aaron and his sons unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and wash them with water. (the antitype being the NT water baptism)
And thou shalt put upon Aaron the holy garments,
and anoint him, and sanctify him; that he may minister unto me in the priest's office.

And thou shalt bring his sons, and clothe them with coats:
And thou shalt anoint them, as thou didst anoint their father, that they may minister unto me in the priest's office: for their anointing shall surely be an everlasting priesthood throughout their generations." (Ex. 40)

Keep trying....

 

[Genez]

But you keep denying the most important factor about this warning.

but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

As long as someone is doing the Father's Will then they cast out demons and see miracles happening in the name of Jesus they are GOLDEN.

But you are hypocritaly misusing this portion of Scripture for YOUR PERSONAL VIEWPOINTS.

The will of the Father is to rightly handle the Word of God.

 

[Genez]

It would seem your belief that spiritual gifts have ceased is hindering you from accepting Jesus' explanation in the account. You may want to set aside your bias and examine what the scripture reveals. Remember the enemy's tactic is to distort the truth.

Not all spiritual gifts were to cease...

 

[wolfwint]

When most christians today research a thing, it's limited because they're only looking for agreeable articles.
You can't do REAL research for a couple of days or even weeks. One has to read nearly hundreds of articles, searching first for those that are written word for word, & discard them whether for or against, because they're false teachers trying to make a living off the controversies.
Then, divide up the fors & againsts, counting each. Usually the ones who have the most are overwhelmingly higher and true.
Then research again the ones that lost. you will usually find most of them don't agree on what are supposed to be the facts.
While doing this, be prayful about everything & search the Word for confirmation.
I'm a Pentecostal myself, but I use this method to be absolutely sure. I find many Pentecostal subjects to be wrong in these last days simply because the movement is going through the Falling Away, just like all the movements are.They are mixing their doctrines with the charismatics & believing their heretical teachings.
Sad, but true.
While I am immovable believing the Pentecostal Movement. I also will admit their failings as well.
EVERY denomination has them, & they are growing.
One major difference I've found is that most of the other denominations WON'T SAY A WORD about nor discuss THEIRS.
What they WILL do is mix the charismatics & Pentecostals together like MacArthur & Peterson do, which is absolute evidence that they have made themselves the Pentecostals enemies.

When I became a Christian I was 25, caming out of the protestant church, thaught I am a Christian because of child baptism.
The first person I met who told me that I need Jesus, was when I was 17. I rejectet and said I dont need Jesus, I have my own believe to God. Several years later I wantet to be a girl to be my girlfriend. She told me she cant, because I am not a Christian. I said, i am. I am baptised. She told me from the bible that I am not. I begann to visit her youth group
One night was the theme Jesus Christ. In this night God opend my eyes for my sins. And I told to me if it is true what Jesus did for me, I will that this Jesus comes into my life.
I later went to the youthleader and told him I have to deceide myself for Jesus. He read some bible passages, and I believed all this wd the bible said. We prayed togethet, I ask for forgivnesd for all my sins and ask the Lord to come into my life. From this moment I had peace and joy in my heart. And I knew I belong to Jesus now.
In the beginning time I became also in Touch with the assembly of god, a pentecostal church, and had friends there. They told me I need the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the gift of speaking in tongues, otherwise something lack in my Christian life. Also I became in contact with several cults people who wantet to convince me from their believe. Even I had no ideas about Theologie or had read the bible, something in me said that their believe is wrong.
So I understand later that I got the gift to distinguish the spirits. I was the meaning that every Christian get this gift. Till I met believers which have no problem with the RCC doctrines or listening to new revealations from angles.
About the pentecostal movement. How many years after Azusa Was the splitting into the Oneness movement. And what they claim? Without speaking in tongues, no Holy Spirit and ergo no salvation, right.
The doctrine of the pentecostal and later also the charismatic movements divided the whole christianity. Into a first class and a second class christianity. You can deny it. But thats a fact. My whole live I became to hear. You need the baptism with the Holy Spirit and the speaking in tongue. Then you are empowert, then you can have a closer relationship to God.
This sounds always, without the baptism of the Holy Spirit you are a looser, but with it you are the winner. And if you dont search it is is your own fault.
I can only speak from germany. Where are all the empowert pentecostal and charismatic believers? Where is there influence in the society? In my church for example is a great openess for charismatic teachings. But nobody practice and teach it from thr pulpit.
Thats paradox, either I brlirve it is right ore not. And if it is right I should practice it, right?
Slain in the Spirit, what is the theme of this thread is for shure not from God.
And I am not the enemy of believers, but from a false doctrine.
At the End the Lord will deceide what is right and wrong.

 

[PAC-fit]

In my church for example is a great openess for charismatic teachings. But nobody practice and teach it from thr pulpit.

If no ministry and message of Baptism with the Holy Spirit, God the Father honors the truth on the matter.

I can only speak from germany. Where are all the empowert pentecostal and charismatic believers? Where is there influence in the society?

Modern-day Pentecostalism is flawed. And soo much misinformation on NT-Pentecostalism (NTP). Smears are seldom confirmed by NTP due to rarity. For the record, no question in my mind a specific quenching of the Spirit is underway here by some who have a preconceived extra-biblical fabrication of ‘’authentic’’ tongues and of all things, when used by professing Christians! What this says in effect is; if it doesn’t bless me, sound right, have the right punch, lacks in any way, that Christian’s use of tongues is incapable of fulfilling the Holy Spirits’ own definition: ‘’pray at all times in the Spirit ‘’ (Eph 6:18) Huh? You mean some of you are incorrect concerning timeframes? Yet, God is able

Thank you Lord Jesus!!!!!!!!

 

[lrs68]

The will of the Father is to rightly handle the Word of God.

The Will of the Father is to believe that Jesus is who He claims to be.

 

[Edify]

When I became a Christian I was 25, caming out of the protestant church, thaught I am a Christian because of child baptism.
The first person I met who told me that I need Jesus, was when I was 17. I rejectet and said I dont need Jesus, I have my own believe to God. Several years later I wantet to be a girl to be my girlfriend. She told me she cant, because I am not a Christian. I said, i am. I am baptised. She told me from the bible that I am not. I begann to visit her youth group
One night was the theme Jesus Christ. In this night God opend my eyes for my sins. And I told to me if it is true what Jesus did for me, I will that this Jesus comes into my life.
I later went to the youthleader and told him I have to deceide myself for Jesus. He read some bible passages, and I believed all this wd the bible said. We prayed togethet, I ask for forgivnesd for all my sins and ask the Lord to come into my life. From this moment I had peace and joy in my heart. And I knew I belong to Jesus now.
In the beginning time I became also in Touch with the assembly of god, a pentecostal church, and had friends there. They told me I need the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the gift of speaking in tongues, otherwise something lack in my Christian life. Also I became in contact with several cults people who wantet to convince me from their believe. Even I had no ideas about Theologie or had read the bible, something in me said that their believe is wrong.
So I understand later that I got the gift to distinguish the spirits. I was the meaning that every Christian get this gift. Till I met believers which have no problem with the RCC doctrines or listening to new revealations from angles.
About the pentecostal movement. How many years after Azusa Was the splitting into the Oneness movement. And what they claim? Without speaking in tongues, no Holy Spirit and ergo no salvation, right.
The doctrine of the pentecostal and later also the charismatic movements divided the whole christianity. Into a first class and a second class christianity. You can deny it. But thats a fact. My whole live I became to hear. You need the baptism with the Holy Spirit and the speaking in tongue. Then you are empowert, then you can have a closer relationship to God.
This sounds always, without the baptism of the Holy Spirit you are a looser, but with it you are the winner. And if you dont search it is is your own fault.
I can only speak from germany. Where are all the empowert pentecostal and charismatic believers? Where is there influence in the society? In my church for example is a great openess for charismatic teachings. But nobody practice and teach it from thr pulpit.
Thats paradox, either I brlirve it is right ore not. And if it is right I should practice it, right?
Slain in the Spirit, what is the theme of this thread is for shure not from God.
And I am not the enemy of believers, but from a false doctrine.
At the End the Lord will deceide what is right and wrong.

One of the things I always had to explain is why we believe a certain way & not always live it/practice it.
I get it, I really do.
In my life I've received this baptism that was always talked about. I didn't receive it the way everyone else did, though. I didn't know it, but one service as I was seeking, I started praising the Lord boldly without any embarrassment whatsoever. I blessed & praised the Lord, saying things in worship I didn't know about. I had a real experience with God, but because I didn't speak in tongues they said I didn't get it.
A few weeks down the road in another service I did speak in tongues & then they accepted I had it.
About a year later a friend in service 'spoke' in tongues & told our group in the gym in high school.
Immediately I asked him boldly, "Now that you have it, what are you going to do with it?" He and the others were confused. It didn't take long to find out he didn't. He was the same old guy. I 'knew' he didn't have it, but didn't know how I knew. It took a few years to grow & understand later that I actually got the baptism at the first.
Now with much more understanding, I realize the Pentecostal Movement today is worse off than the Corinthian church in the Bible. They abuse the gifts & exercise them for personal gratification & pride.
Read 1&2 Corinthians & you'll be staring the current Pentecostal movement right in the face.
Is the movement real? Absolutely. But is it spiritually alright? I can't agree with that. But I'm 100% sure it's not fake, because I've experienced it, & understand there's more to it than most of them know.
I'm not trying to elevate myself, but as I prayed & studied the Word, I discovered there's way more in Acts 2 than many realize.

Do you know how many denominations in their studies/teachings will either explain away or skip altogether Acts 2? My own daughter goes to a Christian church, & she admitted they don't want to talk about it. Just a year ago in a home bible study they finally started talking about it. Some of them believe it's possible the same way I do... because the scriptures say so. They admitted the Bible was right. But they're still not seeking the baptism. So many are scared to "taste & see that the LORD is good", afraid of what God will require of them. Afraid of what their friends will think. I didn't have other friends at the time. I didn't have anything to lose. I discovered too late that some of my church friends didn't think much of my changed life, an 18 yr old that wanted a serious relationship with God.

 

[Genez]

The Will of the Father is to believe that Jesus is who He claims to be.

I guess, in your case, that would be the only thing...

 

[lrs68]

I guess, in your case, that would be the only thing...

It's Biblical so it better be your case as well.

 

[Blain]

I guess, in your case, that would be the only thing...

Jesus said, “For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day” (John 6:40
not to rightly use or divide the word but to believe in his son that is biblical

 

[Genez]

Jesus said, “For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day” (John 6:40
not to rightly use or divide the word but to believe in his son that is biblical

That is one command.

In God's Word, any command to us is equally from God.
Jesus said to keep his commands (plural).

“If you love me, you will keep my commandments." (John 14:15)​

Here is 2 Timothy 2:15 offered from three good translations...

Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, ​

accurately handling the word of truth.​

​

Make every effort to present yourself to God as one who is approved, a worker who has no need ​

to be ashamed, correctly handling the word of truth.​

​

Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who doesn’t need to be ashamed, ​

correctly teaching the word of truth.​

​

He is the Word... John 1:1

 

[Blain]

That is one command.

In God's Word, any command to us is equally from God.
Jesus said to keep his commands (plural).

“If you love me, you will keep my commandments." (John 14:15)​

Here is 2 Timothy 2:15 offered from three good translations...

Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, ​

accurately handling the word of truth.​

​

Make every effort to present yourself to God as one who is approved, a worker who has no need ​

to be ashamed, correctly handling the word of truth.​

​

Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who doesn’t need to be ashamed, ​

correctly teaching the word of truth.​

​

He is the Word... John 1:1

There are many commands given to us but the most important one? the one I posted without that command all your handling of the word is in vain. not to mention the word is not handled well in this place it is often twisted or cherry picked or people try to make it say something it isn't

To be a good handler of the word we have to take the context of each verse being used. for instance the verses you just posted what was the chapters message that you pulled them from?

 

[Wansvic]

Keep trying....

It is not my job to make you see. My task is to plant and/or water the seed of God's word. My prayer is God will give you revelation of the truth.

"Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase." 1 Cor. 3:5-7

 

[Wansvic]

Not all spiritual gifts were to cease...

My point is you are focusing on the wrong thing in the account. Jesus revealed why He never knew the individuals. They did not obey His sayings and become born again. The rebirth is the foundation required of all those living in the New Testament. Jesus knows those who have been obeyed His sayings; being buried with Him into His death through water baptism in His name, and have His Holy Spirit dwelling within their bodies.

 

[Wansvic]

One of the things I always had to explain is why we believe a certain way & not always live it/practice it.
I get it, I really do.
In my life I've received this baptism that was always talked about. I didn't receive it the way everyone else did, though. I didn't know it, but one service as I was seeking, I started praising the Lord boldly without any embarrassment whatsoever. I blessed & praised the Lord, saying things in worship I didn't know about. I had a real experience with God, but because I didn't speak in tongues they said I didn't get it.
A few weeks down the road in another service I did speak in tongues & then they accepted I had it.
About a year later a friend in service 'spoke' in tongues & told our group in the gym in high school.
Immediately I asked him boldly, "Now that you have it, what are you going to do with it?" He and the others were confused. It didn't take long to find out he didn't. He was the same old guy. I 'knew' he didn't have it, but didn't know how I knew. It took a few years to grow & understand later that I actually got the baptism at the first.
Now with much more understanding, I realize the Pentecostal Movement today is worse off than the Corinthian church in the Bible. They abuse the gifts & exercise them for personal gratification & pride.
Read 1&2 Corinthians & you'll be staring the current Pentecostal movement right in the face.
Is the movement real? Absolutely. But is it spiritually alright? I can't agree with that. But I'm 100% sure it's not fake, because I've experienced it, & understand there's more to it than most of them know.
I'm not trying to elevate myself, but as I prayed & studied the Word, I discovered there's way more in Acts 2 than many realize.

Do you know how many denominations in their studies/teachings will either explain away or skip altogether Acts 2? My own daughter goes to a Christian church, & she admitted they don't want to talk about it. Just a year ago in a home bible study they finally started talking about it. Some of them believe it's possible the same way I do... because the scriptures say so. They admitted the Bible was right. But they're still not seeking the baptism. So many are scared to "taste & see that the LORD is good", afraid of what God will require of them. Afraid of what their friends will think. I didn't have other friends at the time. I didn't have anything to lose. I discovered too late that some of my church friends didn't think much of my changed life, an 18 yr old that wanted a serious relationship with God.

Upon reading your post I felt impressed to make a point. I ask that you don’t take it as negative criticism. My only desire is to point out something from the word in the hope it strengthens you. And has a ripple effect in those who God uses you to lead to Jesus.

Many denominations express uninspired beliefs that are inconsistent with word. And in doing so give people the impression that the effects of receiving the Holy Spirit vary from person to person. This is not true. The word actually reveals people, without exception, speak in tongues when the Holy Spirit comes to dwell in their body. In addition to the initial revelation recorded in Acts 2:4, and 33 this truth is again confirmed in Acts 10:43-48 and 19:1-7. It is also alluded to in Acts 8:12-18.

Even though the account in Acts 8 does not specifically record tongues were spoken, it is a great example that there is undeniable proof when the Holy Spirit enters a believer's body. Consider the fact that Philip and others knew that those who heard and believed the gospel, and were water baptized in the name of Jesus had not yet received the Holy Spirit. What was missing? The answer is speaking in tongues as revealed and confirmed elsewhere in scripture.

It is only through accepting and obeying God's word that people actually become born again. The enemy’s strategy has not changed. He deceives people into believing things that go directly against God’s word. I encourage you to stand on the truth. According to the word, when you spoke in tongues is when you actually received the Holy Spirit.

It is the truth as established in the word that encourages people to pursue and ultimately receive what God has promised. Not the uninspired denominational beliefs promoted by men.

May God Bless!