Yeshua answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
John 7:16 (KJV, MBM)
For I give you good doctrine, forsake ye not my law.
Proverbs 4:2 (KJV, MBM)
So what about the fourth commandment?
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Yeshua answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
John 7:16 (KJV, MBM)
For I give you good doctrine, forsake ye not my law.
Proverbs 4:2 (KJV, MBM)
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1 John 5:3 says God's commandment(s).
1 John 3:23 says commandment (singular).
How are we to reconcile this?
Simple.....we just read the previous verse ( 1 John 3:22 ) that says we keep God's commandments ( plural ) and then in verse 23 it relates directly to the most important singular belief for a Christian which is to believe in God's Son - the Lord Jesus Christ. Then John adds the " and to love one another". These two make it commandments - plural.
The tablet I'm on won't play videos. If you'd like to put it in your own words, that would be great!
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Neither manna nor Aaron's rod were:
Spoken by God as commandments
Written with His finger
I don't see how one could possibly make that comparison.
Nope....here they are together which shows the flow.
1 John 3:22-24 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] and whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do the things that are pleasing in His sight.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ,and love one another, just as He commanded us.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
1st commandment is to believe in Christ "This is His commandment". This goes with John 3:16 as this is the primary commandment for receiving Christ.
The second commandment is to love one another. just as He commanded. These make them plural. So, 1) believe in the Name of His Son - Jesus Christ 2) and love one another.
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God's word says the Commandments and The Law are not the same things.
Exodus 16:28
And the Lord said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?
Leviticus 26:3
If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them;
Leviticus 26:15
And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant:
1 Kings 3:14
And if thou wilt walk in my ways, to keep my statutes and my commandments, as thy father David did walk, then I will lengthen thy days.
1 Kings 9:6
But if ye shall at all turn from following me, ye or your children, and will not keep my commandments and my statutes which I have set before you, but go and serve other gods, and worship them:
1 Kings 11:34
Howbeit I will not take the whole kingdom out of his hand: but I will make him prince all the days of his life for David my servant's sake, whom I chose, because he kept my commandments and my statutes:
1 Kings 11:38
And it shall be, if thou wilt hearken unto all that I command thee, and wilt walk in my ways, and do that is right in my sight, to keep my statutes and my commandments, as David my servant did; that I will be with thee, and build thee a sure house, as I built for David, and will give Israel unto thee.
2 Kings 17:13
Yet the Lord testified against Israel, and against Judah, by all the prophets, and by all the seers, saying, Turn ye from your evil ways, and keep my commandments and my statutes, according to all the law which I commanded your fathers, and which I sent to you by my servants the prophets.
1 Chronicles 28:7
Moreover I will establish his kingdom for ever, if he be constant to do my commandments and my judgments, as at this day.
1 Chronicles 29:19
And give unto Solomon my son a perfect heart, to keep thy commandments, thy testimonies, and thy statutes, and to do all these things, and to build the palace, for the which I have made provision.
2 Chronicles 7:19
But if ye turn away, and forsake my statutes and my commandments, which I have set before you, and shall go and serve other gods, and worship them;
Psalm 89:31
If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;
Exodus 16:28
And the Lord said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?
Leviticus 26:3
If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them;
Leviticus 26:15
And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant:
1 Kings 3:14
And if thou wilt walk in my ways, to keep my statutes and my commandments, as thy father David did walk, then I will lengthen thy days.
1 Kings 9:6
But if ye shall at all turn from following me, ye or your children, and will not keep my commandments and my statutes which I have set before you, but go and serve other gods, and worship them:
1 Kings 11:34
Howbeit I will not take the whole kingdom out of his hand: but I will make him prince all the days of his life for David my servant's sake, whom I chose, because he kept my commandments and my statutes:
1 Kings 11:38
And it shall be, if thou wilt hearken unto all that I command thee, and wilt walk in my ways, and do that is right in my sight, to keep my statutes and my commandments, as David my servant did; that I will be with thee, and build thee a sure house, as I built for David, and will give Israel unto thee.
2 Kings 17:13
Yet the Lord testified against Israel, and against Judah, by all the prophets, and by all the seers, saying, Turn ye from your evil ways, and keep my commandments and my statutes, according to all the law which I commanded your fathers, and which I sent to you by my servants the prophets.
1 Chronicles 28:7
Moreover I will establish his kingdom for ever, if he be constant to do my commandments and my judgments, as at this day.
1 Chronicles 29:19
And give unto Solomon my son a perfect heart, to keep thy commandments, thy testimonies, and thy statutes, and to do all these things, and to build the palace, for the which I have made provision.
2 Chronicles 7:19
But if ye turn away, and forsake my statutes and my commandments, which I have set before you, and shall go and serve other gods, and worship them;
Psalm 89:31
If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;
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The Sabbath (singular, not the annual type interwined with the Feasts of the Lord) was established long before the Ten Commandments were given. The 4th Commandment is the only one that begins with the word "remember". I think that means something.
Hebrews 9:3-4 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Behind the second veil there was a tabernacle which is called the Holy of Holies,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] having a golden altar of incense and the ark of the covenant covered on all sides with gold, in which was a golden jar holding the manna, and Aaron's rod which budded, and the tables of the covenant;
These all symbolize God's dealings with the Israelites.
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I'm not talking about symbols. I'm talking about words God spoke and wrote with His own finger.
I agree....the Sabbath speaks of Christ from the foundation of the world when God rested from His works. Not a specific natural day.
Remember Christ means something very significant. Jesus says to "Remember Me" for the New Covenant not some Old Testament shadow of Christ - but Christ Himself now that He has been revealed to us by the Holy Spirit.
The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath. Sabbath was made for man - not man for the Sabbath. We rest in Christ's work now. There therefore remains a Sabbath rest of the people of God. Hebrews. 4:9-11
Well..the reality is - we don't have any of these things that were in the ark of the Covenant and all 3 of the items were in the ark which was covered by the mercy seat where the blood was sprinkled by the high priest of Aaron.
So, they all do symbolize something important to have them there in the first place.
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So, at some point Jesus abolished the Ten Commandments but didn't bother to tell anyone. While on Earth he followed them but didn't want us to follow his example?
When Peter had the vison on the unclean food he exclaimed that he followed the Law. Seems to me that this would have been a good time for God to say, "Oh by the way - those are done away with". Peter later interpreted his vison to mean God was talking to him about the Gentiles - not food.
My point is that at some point along the way, Jesus probably would have clued us in to the fact that the Ten Commandments were of no importance any longer.
When Peter had the vison on the unclean food he exclaimed that he followed the Law. Seems to me that this would have been a good time for God to say, "Oh by the way - those are done away with". Peter later interpreted his vison to mean God was talking to him about the Gentiles - not food.
My point is that at some point along the way, Jesus probably would have clued us in to the fact that the Ten Commandments were of no importance any longer.
Jesus didn't come to abolish the ten commandments - He came to fulfill them.
We live now by the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus - not by a set of commandments carved in stone. The ten commandments are called the ministry of death by Paul.
When God gave the ten commandments and the Law 3,000 people died. When God gave the Holy Spirit because of Christ's finished work - 3,000 people got saved. The New Covenant is built upon better promises and Jesus blood speaks of better things.
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The truth is that all real scholars realize that Christians kept the Sabbath for centuries. But first, let’slook at the Bible. Acts 13:42-44 shows what the Apostle Paul did,
…the Gentiles begged that thesewords might be preached to them the next Sabbath. Now when the congregation hadbroken up, many of the Jews and devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas,who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God. On thenext Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God. AlsoActs 18:4 states,
And he reasoned in the synagogueevery Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.
Now, some may argue that does notprove he ever kept it. But that is a false argument. Notice whatPaul himself claimed:
But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets: Acts 24:14
Men and brethren, though I have donenothing against our people or the customs of our fathers, yet I was deliveredas a prisoner from Jerusalem into the hands of the Romans (Acts 28:17).
If Paul was not keeping the Sabbath,he could not have made that claim. Furthermore, it was the probably theApostle Paul who wrote the following in the Book of Hebrews:
Now we who have believed enter thatrest, just as God has said, “So I declared on oath in my anger, ‘They shallnever enter my rest.’” And yet his work has been finished since the creation ofthe world. For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words:“And on the seventh day God rested from all his work.” And again in the passageabove he says, “They shall never enter my rest.” It still remains that somewill enter that rest, and those who formerly had the gospel preached to themdid not go in, because of their disobedience…There remains, then, aSabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest alsorests from his own work, just as God did from his. Let us, therefore, makeevery effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following theirexample of disobedience Hebrews 4:3-6,9-11.
This clearly shows that the commandto keep the seventh day Sabbath is in the New Testament. It also shows thatonly those who will not observe it because of their disobedience argueotherwise. And that is why Paul observed it. Even Origen understood some ofwhat Paul wrote above as he wrote:
But what is the feast of the Sabbathexcept that which the apostle speaks, “There remaineth therefore a Sabbatism,”that is, the observance of the Sabbath, by the people of God…let us see how theSabbath ought to be observed by a Christian. On the Sabbath-day all worldlylabors ought to be abstained from…give yourselves up to spiritual exercises,repairing to church, attending to sacred reading and instruction…this is theobservance of the Christian Sabbath (Translated from Origen’s Opera 2, Paris,1733, Andrews J.N. in History of the Sabbath, 3rd editon, 1887. Reprint TeachServices, Brushton (NY), 1998, pp. 324-325).
…the Gentiles begged that thesewords might be preached to them the next Sabbath. Now when the congregation hadbroken up, many of the Jews and devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas,who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God. On thenext Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God. AlsoActs 18:4 states,
And he reasoned in the synagogueevery Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.
Now, some may argue that does notprove he ever kept it. But that is a false argument. Notice whatPaul himself claimed:
But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets: Acts 24:14
Men and brethren, though I have donenothing against our people or the customs of our fathers, yet I was deliveredas a prisoner from Jerusalem into the hands of the Romans (Acts 28:17).
If Paul was not keeping the Sabbath,he could not have made that claim. Furthermore, it was the probably theApostle Paul who wrote the following in the Book of Hebrews:
Now we who have believed enter thatrest, just as God has said, “So I declared on oath in my anger, ‘They shallnever enter my rest.’” And yet his work has been finished since the creation ofthe world. For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words:“And on the seventh day God rested from all his work.” And again in the passageabove he says, “They shall never enter my rest.” It still remains that somewill enter that rest, and those who formerly had the gospel preached to themdid not go in, because of their disobedience…There remains, then, aSabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest alsorests from his own work, just as God did from his. Let us, therefore, makeevery effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following theirexample of disobedience Hebrews 4:3-6,9-11.
This clearly shows that the commandto keep the seventh day Sabbath is in the New Testament. It also shows thatonly those who will not observe it because of their disobedience argueotherwise. And that is why Paul observed it. Even Origen understood some ofwhat Paul wrote above as he wrote:
But what is the feast of the Sabbathexcept that which the apostle speaks, “There remaineth therefore a Sabbatism,”that is, the observance of the Sabbath, by the people of God…let us see how theSabbath ought to be observed by a Christian. On the Sabbath-day all worldlylabors ought to be abstained from…give yourselves up to spiritual exercises,repairing to church, attending to sacred reading and instruction…this is theobservance of the Christian Sabbath (Translated from Origen’s Opera 2, Paris,1733, Andrews J.N. in History of the Sabbath, 3rd editon, 1887. Reprint TeachServices, Brushton (NY), 1998, pp. 324-325).
Yes, just like marriage, tithing, capital punishment and the Sabbath, all established long before the law or the Commandments. I don't know why we just can't submit to the Word.
The Ten commandments are important, BUT keeping the Ten Commandments cannot Save anyone. Its only by the Grace and Faith from God that we are saved. We are not saved by keeping the Ten Commandments.
If you are relying on keeping the Ten Commandments to be Saved, you will never be Saved.
We have passed from obeying the Law to having Grace. Why are you trying to work for that which is a free Gift?
If you are relying on keeping the Ten Commandments to be Saved, you will never be Saved.
We have passed from obeying the Law to having Grace. Why are you trying to work for that which is a free Gift?
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Marriage, tithing and capital punishment are not addressed by the Ten Commandments so what is your point?