some disabled people may be posting, and have no known way to let go of.....

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something that they depend on; so they defend it with every breath they have.

this is not at all a slight against anyone with any disability, including paraplegics, paralyzed persons,

moms and dads of severely handicapped children, or anyone with any kind of thing limiting their life....

but just an eye opener, (for me and for others),

that someone might be completely dependent on a person , persons, or group in their life for sustenance,

provisions, daily care, medical care, breathing apparatus, and so on in so many different ways.

this would explain some people's not being able to give up , no matter what the truth is, something

that they feel is completely necessary to guard without change so that their support doesn't get interrupted.

I've never seen anyone deal with or handle this kind of situation ever anyplace, not gently, not severely, not in any way.

maybe, there's nothing to do -- the support someone has might truly be the only way they have to stay alive.... it's up to them to speak up if they decide it's worth it (and on the internet it is very very hard to say that it's worth it in any way --- perhaps instead finding someway to contact someone locally where they are, to speak with them in person.... but on the internet, there's not any way to really 'inspire' confidence in anonymous people around the world, even with faith and grace for those who trust.)....

maybe there's something to do that's just not apparent yet, or has been known well and proven to work.... and i just haven't heard about it yet or seen anyone accomplish much in this direction. this
is up to yahweh, just like the interpretation of dreams, and revelation of yahshua and his word.

anyone know enough about this, and seen anything or any way or any group or person that 'works' in
this
direction ?
 
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Jeff_56 said:
something that they depend on; so they defend it with every breath they have.

this is not at all a slight against anyone with any disability, including paraplegics, paralyzed persons,

moms and dads of severely handicapped children, or anyone with any kind of thing limiting their life....

but just an eye opener, (for me and for others),

that someone might be completely dependent on a person , persons, or group in their life for sustenance,

provisions, daily care, medical care, breathing apparatus, and so on in so many different ways.

this would explain some people's not being able to give up , no matter what the truth is, something

that they feel is completely necessary to guard without change so that their support doesn't get interrupted.

I've never seen anyone deal with or handle this kind of situation ever anyplace, not gently, not severely, not in any way.

maybe, there's nothing to do -- the support someone has might truly be the only way they have to stay alive.... it's up to them to speak up if they decide it's worth it (and on the internet it is very very hard to say that it's worth it in any way --- perhaps instead finding someway to contact someone locally where they are, to speak with them in person.... but on the internet, there's not any way to really 'inspire' confidence in anonymous people around the world, even with faith and grace for those who trust.)....

maybe there's something to do that's just not apparent yet, or has been known well and proven to work.... and i just haven't heard about it yet or seen anyone accomplish much in this direction. this
is up to yahweh, just like the interpretation of dreams, and revelation of yahshua and his word.

anyone know enough about this, and seen anything or any way or any group or person that 'works' in
this
direction ?
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You wrote a very interesting post. I'm not exactly sure on what you mean but it seems to be about a caregiver and the one who is receiving the care. I have some understanding about this type of situation.
 
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i'm not 'sure' either - as i have no current correspondence with any disabled persons or persons with disabled or handicapped children on this site, nor have i had on any internet site except with a believer who happens to be physically blind, which wasn't known, btw, for many weeks after back and forth discussions -- he is so good at typing/posting/conversing on a few forums and one chat room his 'handicap' is not obvious at first,
and also contrary to the persons i'm thinking may be wanting more in the way of salvation but don't know how to go about this in their respective situations, he is well informed(more than most sighted persons who call themselves christian) and quite well able to maintain and to explain his faith in yahshua and to protect by grace his heart and soul and mind from the multitude of deceptioins online as well as in person.

whew, don't know how to say that shorter... (first time)... but now for the present, there was one mom who may be challenged, who has a handicapped child(she says), and who completely trusts someone who completely lied to her, and she wouldn't even give a thought or test to see if what he told her was a lie or not --- she 'seemed' unable to cope with the possibility that he would lie to her as he is high up or highest in her church and everyone is told they have to trust him.

there was no back and forth discussion at all, as she said emphatically she would not even consider that he lied to her, she would not (or possibly 'could not'? though it seemed she knew/knows how to use the internet chat room and maybe also forum) so there was nothing in common to continue the discussion for.

when persons have a main income for their own disability, they have been known to not want to get better (even thousands have been known to do things that cannot be discussed , the actions are so horrendous, but it was disclosed during an international investigation with complete anonymity)...
and
others have been known who declare or admit that they would like to know more, but it is not 'permitted' by those who are taking care of them and providing their income, medical care, sustenance in most ways for their daily lives....

having typed all that, it seems i've been given a conclusion that each person, no matter what their handicap if any, or children if any,
has to make up their own mind and pursue what they decide to pursue , (with yahweh's help),
"on their own"..... as no one else can do that for them.

I guess I was thinking there might be some who don't feel they can seek anything else besides what they already have, and wondering that there might be something someone can do , but I have no idea what... except what is already being done as yahweh permits --- posting as yahweh 'gives utterance' without knowing (unless revealed) and without needing to know anyone's handicaps or children's conditions unless they make it known (which may well not be advisable on public forums).....

tourist said:
You wrote a very interesting post. I'm not exactly sure on what you mean but it seems to be about a caregiver and the one who is receiving the care. I have some understanding about this type of situation.
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