Some things about the law that need explaining.
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Are you ok? The problem seems to be that you are fixated on what has been done away with. Which animal ever cleansed a person of their sin?
NONE.
Only the blood of Christ cleanses from sin. You are blinded by your obsession with the law and as a result, you cannot find your way out of deception.
Take it up with someone else. I just lost patience with the nonsense.
NONE.
Only the blood of Christ cleanses from sin. You are blinded by your obsession with the law and as a result, you cannot find your way out of deception.
Take it up with someone else. I just lost patience with the nonsense.
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Let me get to this gem though.
Go read how Nehemiah dealt with the non-Jews when he returned to Jerusalem and began to rebuild.
Hint: He booted them out and reminded them God said have NOTHING to do with them. You do not know what you are talking about. Why were the Jews chosen by God? Any idea? Mind you, look what happened when they became faithless towards God. Has any nation been so forlorn and despised and punished as have they?
What do you suppose God thinks when he looks down and finds 'Christians' demanding everyone keep OT law and ignore the fact God told the Jews to KILL all the populations of the Gentiles around them? And yet here you are, CHANGING the word of God (while telling everyone else that they are the ones doing it) and saying God just loves everyone. NO HE DOES NOT!!!
An awful lot of leaven in what your write. Not good.
But like I said, I have better things to do, then try to convince a stubborn and confused person that we are not under law.
Go read how Nehemiah dealt with the non-Jews when he returned to Jerusalem and began to rebuild.
Hint: He booted them out and reminded them God said have NOTHING to do with them. You do not know what you are talking about. Why were the Jews chosen by God? Any idea? Mind you, look what happened when they became faithless towards God. Has any nation been so forlorn and despised and punished as have they?
What do you suppose God thinks when he looks down and finds 'Christians' demanding everyone keep OT law and ignore the fact God told the Jews to KILL all the populations of the Gentiles around them? And yet here you are, CHANGING the word of God (while telling everyone else that they are the ones doing it) and saying God just loves everyone. NO HE DOES NOT!!!
An awful lot of leaven in what your write. Not good.
But like I said, I have better things to do, then try to convince a stubborn and confused person that we are not under law.
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If you object there must be a reason for objecting. If you are in possession of a truth I have missed, is it not your duty to show me? But I think you have another agenda. Why did you cut the sentence out of context and then attribute things that the very next sentence addressed as being the opposite?
You write; "We are to listen to the Lord, and never say things of the Lord has no value, not ever."
But I wrote; "... But it has huge value for Jehovah FIRST, and Israel second. The Law, in the above passage, is clearly Israel's path to glory. Israel's recovery is accomplished by Jesus Christ's sublime WORKS, but yet without them acknowledging Him. The Law is vital for Israel. The Law is their lifeline to Messianic glory. The Law is God's vehicle to recover His wayward seed of Abraham. It is fully involved in Israel's recovery, and it is fully involved in their everyday life during the Messianic age."
Have you been honest?
Next, the Psalms are not part of the Law, and I never addressed them. But you attribute to me, quote;
"I believe in all of God, and you cannot believe is God being Holy, God being all the psalms tell of him, and discount anything that is part of the Lord."
Is this honest?
But never mind. Let me end by reminding you of what the Holy Spirit says of the Christian and the Law. I quote from only ONE BOOK of the New Testament - Galatians
2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
You write; "We are to listen to the Lord, and never say things of the Lord has no value, not ever."
But I wrote; "... But it has huge value for Jehovah FIRST, and Israel second. The Law, in the above passage, is clearly Israel's path to glory. Israel's recovery is accomplished by Jesus Christ's sublime WORKS, but yet without them acknowledging Him. The Law is vital for Israel. The Law is their lifeline to Messianic glory. The Law is God's vehicle to recover His wayward seed of Abraham. It is fully involved in Israel's recovery, and it is fully involved in their everyday life during the Messianic age."
Have you been honest?
Next, the Psalms are not part of the Law, and I never addressed them. But you attribute to me, quote;
"I believe in all of God, and you cannot believe is God being Holy, God being all the psalms tell of him, and discount anything that is part of the Lord."
Is this honest?
But never mind. Let me end by reminding you of what the Holy Spirit says of the Christian and the Law. I quote from only ONE BOOK of the New Testament - Galatians
2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
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I've read your responses to others, and what I see frequently is you using terms different than what they use. That is just baffling, and I honestly wonder why you do it. I think it only results in your confusion.
I say that God gave the law to Israel, and you say that God "excluded" the gentiles. That's not what I said, nor what I meant. There is a big difference between "God did not give the law to gentiles" and "God excluded the gentiles". Can you see the distinction?
In your post above, you said, "the training God is offering Israel". God didn't "offer training" to Israel; He gave them LAW. Calling it "training" and "offered" completely eviscerates the whole concept. God chose Israel, and made a covenant with Israel, and gave the law to Israel. He did not choose the gentiles, He did not make a covenant with the gentiles, and He did not give the law to the gentiles.
HOWEVER... He DID plan to include gentiles through Christ, but not through the law!
Further, the old covenant is not the entire old testament. Nobody is advocating the removal of Psalms or any other book, but what they are advocating is the proper division of the Bible into that which was written to Israel and that which was written to everyone.
I say that God gave the law to Israel, and you say that God "excluded" the gentiles. That's not what I said, nor what I meant. There is a big difference between "God did not give the law to gentiles" and "God excluded the gentiles". Can you see the distinction?
In your post above, you said, "the training God is offering Israel". God didn't "offer training" to Israel; He gave them LAW. Calling it "training" and "offered" completely eviscerates the whole concept. God chose Israel, and made a covenant with Israel, and gave the law to Israel. He did not choose the gentiles, He did not make a covenant with the gentiles, and He did not give the law to the gentiles.
HOWEVER... He DID plan to include gentiles through Christ, but not through the law!
Further, the old covenant is not the entire old testament. Nobody is advocating the removal of Psalms or any other book, but what they are advocating is the proper division of the Bible into that which was written to Israel and that which was written to everyone.
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Man the subject of the law is not as simple as keep it or trash it.
There is a lot to learn from the law, and principles to apply. Here is an example: “When an ox gores a man or a woman to death, the ox shall be stoned, and its flesh shall not be eaten, but the owner of the ox shall not be liable. But if the ox has been accustomed to gore in the past, and its owner has been warned but has not kept it in, and it kills a man or a woman, the ox shall be stoned, and its owner also shall be put to death.
Exodus 21:28-29 ESV
We can extrapolate from this law that we are responsible for the damages done by the animals we own. The principle can be applied to a dog that bites or attacks folks.
Law and gospel matter.
There is a lot to learn from the law, and principles to apply. Here is an example: “When an ox gores a man or a woman to death, the ox shall be stoned, and its flesh shall not be eaten, but the owner of the ox shall not be liable. But if the ox has been accustomed to gore in the past, and its owner has been warned but has not kept it in, and it kills a man or a woman, the ox shall be stoned, and its owner also shall be put to death.
Exodus 21:28-29 ESV
We can extrapolate from this law that we are responsible for the damages done by the animals we own. The principle can be applied to a dog that bites or attacks folks.
Law and gospel matter.
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