Some thoughts on the Sabbath...

[Rob7]

Grace might be given in kindness. But it does not mean it is kindness itself.
Stongs is good, but too limited for 100% of what he provided.
For in his day? He, too, had his own bias that we need to recognize.
By understanding in the ever-growing and maturing body of Christ.

Grace?
It is power! ENABLING power.
Grace enables us to do and to be what we can not accomplish in our natural selves.

For grace makes us to be, and to become, what God desires of us to be!

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But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” ​

Therefore, I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may ​

rest on me." 2 Corinthians 12:9​

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But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect. ​

No, I worked harder than all of them—yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me." ​

1 Corinthians 15:10​

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Note! Grace is enabling power!

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I worked harder than all of them—yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me."​

Grace and peace!

Amen !!

By God's Grace, the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Jesus is IN US .. indwelling the Righteousness of Christ ~~> Gal 2:20
Enabling ~~> Giving us the Power to the Righteousness of Jesus, His Obedience to the Father, ~~>
~~> Jesus keeping The Commandments of God ~> Perfectly ! Including His Father's SIGN of authority ,

~~> God's 7th Day Sabbath ~~>​

• Ezekiel 20:12: "Moreover I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the LORD who sanctifies them."
• Ezekiel 20:20: "Hallow My Sabbaths, and they will be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the LORD your God."
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[memberofthebride]

Your quotation is out of the context.

Jesus was speaking to the Jews and they were under the Mt Sinai covenant (Exodus 24) to obey all the law.

The Gentile nations were not in covenant to obey the law.

Inquisitor

ever wonder why Israel was never able to obey?

ever wonder why Jesus Christ was able to obey to perfection? not one sin?

what is the difference between the O and the N?

only the N offers the Promise of the Holy Spirit, by which the Torah is placed in us.

Christ was given the Spirit without measure. a full measure

After repentance and baptism, by the laying on of hands, we are given a small measure of the Father's spirit,
just enough that obeying begins to be possible -- then we are to grow and develop into the full measure of Christ -- growing towards the perfect obedience of Christ as our Father puts more of HIS ONE Spirit in us.

Matthew 25,, the foolish have a problem?? they let the spirit of the Father leave them, run dry, thus Christ does not know them.

without the Spirit of the Father in us, we can not over come and grow into the "perfection" of Christ,
obeying is impossible.

without the ONE Spirit in us, growing in us, we can never please God.

 

[memberofthebride]

America is looking like the Beast of ...​

• Revelation 13:14-15: Describes the second beast compelling people to make an image of the first beast, which is given breath to speak and cause death to those who refuse to worship it.
• Revelation 14:9: Warns against worshipping the beast and his image.
• Revelation 15:2: Mentions those who are victorious over the beast and his image.
• Revelation 16:2; 19:20; 20:4: Further discuss the consequences of relation to the beast's image.

Rededicate 250: If You Still Don’t Believe the Image Forms in America​

• Sunday exalted as the “Christian Sabbath”
• The Biblical seventh-day Sabbath dismissed as merely a “Jewish” tradition instead of an explicit command from God
• Protestant leaders embracing the very traditions the Reformers once protested against
• American civil and religious identity merging together under a common spiritual banner

"The term “Christian Sabbath” is not found in Scripture. It is a term rooted in Roman Catholic tradition — a system that openly claims authority over the change from the seventh day to Sunday. The Reformers gave their lives resisting the union of church and state and exposing the authority claims of Rome. Yet today, modern Protestantism increasingly stands shoulder-to-shoulder with the very power their forefathers fled from in search of religious liberty.Like Israel gathering around the golden calf, America is attempting to create a form of worship and national unity God never commanded:"

“This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.” — Matthew 15:8

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by the time of the Tribulation there is the king of the north, the king of the South and those in the east but no America in the west why ? the greatest and most powerful nation in the history of the world, is not mentioned?

The 4th Seal is world war 3 and America will cease to exist by that war, in one hour of one day America is destroyed.

 

[Rob7]

by the time of the Tribulation there is the king of the north, the king of the South and those in the east but no America in the west why ? the greatest and most powerful nation in the history of the world, is not mentioned?

The 4th Seal is world war 3 and America will cease to exist by that war, in one hour of one day America is destroyed.

Sorry friend ... You don't understand Bible Prophecy the way all the classical Protestant Reformers understood prophecy. You know Martin Luther, Wyciff , John Calvin, John Knox, even Charles Spurgeon, all battled against the Antichrist, Papal Rome, pointing her out as Antichrist.

They ALL were in agreement as to who the king of the north was .. They ALL said that the antiChrist was the Papacy, since the Dark Ages, the "medieval" period, the 1260 years of the Roman Catholic reign, referring to the ...

• "A time, times, and half a time" (Daniel 7:25; 12:7), which prophetic interpreters equate to 3.5 years or 42 months.
• "1,290 days" (Daniel 12:11) and "1,335 days" (Daniel 12:12), which are related but distinct durations in Daniel's specific prophecies.
• "2,300 evenings and mornings" (Daniel 8:14), another distinct prophetic timeline.

... a day represents a year in a prophetic context is found in Ezekiel 4:6 and Numbers 14:34.

• Ezekiel 4:6: God instructs the prophet Ezekiel, "I have appointed thee each day for a year," commanding him to lie on his side for 40 days to symbolize 40 years of iniquity for the house of Judah.
• Numbers 14:34: God declares, "after the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities," assigning 40 years of wandering for the 40 days the spies explored the Promised Land.

While these passages establish the principle, many interpreters also apply this year-day principle to symbolic time periods in Daniel and Revelation (such as the 1,260 days or 70 weeks), arguing that the surrounding symbolic imagery implies the days represent years.

Like I said, watch that second video in my signature. It biblically, logically proves the RCC identity as Anti-Christ of Bible Prophecy, as apposed to what these modern day, Apostate Protestants, teaching false biblical prophecy, to continue to help hide their god here on Earth, NOW ! "The whole world wondered after the Beast" Revelation 13:3

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[memberofthebride]

Sorry friend ... You don't understand Bible Prophecy the way all the classical Protestant Reformers understood prophecy. You know Martin Luther, Wyciff , John Calvin, John Knox, even Charles Spurgeon, all battled against the Antichrist, Papal Rome, pointing her out as Antichrist.

They ALL were in agreement as to who the king of the north was .. They ALL said that the antiChrist was the Papacy, since the Dark Ages, the "medieval" period, the 1260 years of the Roman Catholic reign, referring to the ...





Like I said, watch that second video in my signature. It biblically, logically proves the RCC identity as Anti-Christ of Bible Prophecy, as apposed to what these modern day, Apostate Protestants, teaching false biblical prophecy, to continue to help hide their god here on Earth, NOW ! "The whole world wondered after the Beast" Revelation 13:3

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the protestant reformers all came out of Rome and all held on to Rome's doctrines
thus, I pay no attention to them.

the pope is the false prophet that joins with the Beast that come from Germany

MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
this is the catholic church and who would you think are the harlots? that come out of her?

5 O Assyrian, the rod of mine anger, and the staff in their hand is mine indignation.

Germany is Assyria. when they left the middle east and traveled north with the House of Israel as their slaves, they settled in what is now the area in and around Germany.

we have had two world wars with Germany there will be a third and the US will come to and end if ONE hour of ONE day. ever heard of the EMP?

God uses numbers and the number 3 is finality and completion, finish

The fourth Seal is world war three and 2 billion will die in this third war -- this is before the Great Tribulation

 

[Genez]

Legion

Let me run something by you

the children of Israel could not obey God for the 40 years
Then when in the promised Land they still could not
up to the time of Christ -- still can't obey
why?
The O T did not offer eternal life or the Holy Spirit
the N T Christ came to confirm -- that means get it signed on dotted line
What does the N offer? eternal life and the Holy Spirit

again why?

The Holy Spirit is not part of a trinity it is the ONE Spirit of the Father and when put into a person it then gives the power of God to that person and THEN they can begin to obey.

Christ had the Spirit without measure -- thus HE obeyed perfectly -- not one sin
To day the Father's spirit is given in small measures, just enough so we can struggle against sin and over a life time sin less and less

Bottom line -- Grace does not mean no one needs to obey, which is why it is so popular,
obedience is required and the Father gives us the power to obey --- it is The Father, not us obeying, it is impossible for humans to obey with out the Holy Spirit.

this doctrine of grace has been twisted to allow folks to think -- obeying God is not required -- lie!

Look out for that ditch up ahead!

Better carry a long stick...

 

[memberofthebride]

Look out for that ditch up ahead!

Better carry a long stick...

so I am assuming that since Christ could not get Israel to live by His law, He trashed the Law,
is that what you think?

not sure where you are?

The thing that is a little difficult to understand, If He was going to trash the law, why then Did Christ come to keep it perfectly and then trash it??

2 plus 2 does not = 4 but that is the norm with ""christianity"" --- "no rules is freedom"

 

[Genez]

so I am assuming that since Christ could not get Israel to live by His law, He trashed the Law,
is that what you think?

God gave the law to show man that he is a sinner.
And, the Jews proved it.
On the other hand...
God gave the law to teach the principles of atonement to prepare man for accepting the Cross.

 

[memberofthebride]

God gave the law to show man that he is a sinner.
And, the Jews proved it.
On the other hand...
God gave the law to teach the principles of atonement to prepare man for accepting the Cross.

"the principles of atonement"?

Do you mean Christ revealed the eternal Law to prove to humans, we are sinners and need HIS sacrifice to pay our debt for our sins?

 

[Inquisitor]

so I am assuming that since Christ could not get Israel to live by His law, He trashed the Law,
is that what you think?

Israel was in a blood covenant with God to obey the law (Exodus 24).

Egypt and Rome were not in a blood covenant to obey the law.

That is what is written in the scripture.

 

[Genez]

"the principles of atonement"?

Do you mean Christ revealed the eternal Law to prove to humans, we are sinners and need HIS sacrifice to pay our debt for our sins?

Death on the Cross = Atonement.

Because of years of living under the Law?
The Jews were able to easily grasp the concept of having sins atoned for by blood.

That is why it was in the beginning - "To the Jew first."
The Gentiles needed to learn the principles of atonement.
Gentile sacrifices were designed to appease their gods, not to deal with having a sacrifice for sin.
So it was a new concept for the Gentiles who first believed in Jesus Christ.

"To the Jew first" provided for needed teachers to teach others (Gentiles) about sin and atonement.

 

[memberofthebride]

Death on the Cross = Atonement.

Because of years of living under the Law?
The Jews were able to easily grasp the concept of having sins atoned for by blood.

That is why it was in the beginning - "To the Jew first."
The Gentiles needed to learn the principles of atonement.
Gentile sacrifices were designed to appease their gods, not to deal with having a sacrifice for sin.
So it was a new concept for the Gentiles who first believed in Jesus Christ.

"To the Jew first" provided for needed teachers to teach others (Gentiles) about sin and atonement.

Why do you keep leaving out Jesus Christ? it is only HIS death that pays our penalty for sin?

All these ""words", where is Jesus Christ in all of this?

 

[TMS]

God gave the law to show man that he is a sinner.
And, the Jews proved it.
On the other hand...
God gave the law to teach the principles of atonement to prepare man for accepting the Cross.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

 

[TMS]

Sorry friend ... You don't understand Bible Prophecy the way all the classical Protestant Reformers understood prophecy. You know Martin Luther, Wyciff , John Calvin, John Knox, even Charles Spurgeon, all battled against the Antichrist, Papal Rome, pointing her out as Antichrist.

They ALL were in agreement as to who the king of the north was .. They ALL said that the antiChrist was the Papacy, since the Dark Ages, the "medieval" period, the 1260 years of the Roman Catholic reign, referring to the ...





Like I said, watch that second video in my signature. It biblically, logically proves the RCC identity as Anti-Christ of Bible Prophecy, as apposed to what these modern day, Apostate Protestants, teaching false biblical prophecy, to continue to help hide their god here on Earth, NOW ! "The whole world wondered after the Beast" Revelation 13:3

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Agree.
The reformers understood
And since then the protestant church has joined hands with the antichrist.
It has been the RCCs goal to hide and distort the truth for hundreds of years.

But when you look at the identifying marks of the little horn and the 1st beast of Rev 13, it is clearly the papacy. No other power fits all the identifying marks.

Futurism and Preterism were invented by the catholic Jesuits to take the prophecy off them.

 

[Genez]

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

We establish the Law?
And..... how does that work?

Please... Maybe stop using the antiquated English - King James?
The Old English and ways of thinking can really cause problems.

Here is a better understanding.

Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? ​

By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law.​

To uphold the Law means? (not, establish it)

Means, when we are filled with the Spirit and having learned truth?
We will be automatically be doing what the Law requires without having to think to do it.
Our transformed nature will simply be upholding what the Law requires.

Our transformed nature will cause us to find ourselves doing what the Law required of us.

 

[TMS]

Israel was in a blood covenant with God to obey the law (Exodus 24).

Egypt and Rome were not in a blood covenant to obey the law.

That is what is written in the scripture.

What is the difference, between the laws that you claim we should obey, and and the ones I say the bible teaches we should obey?

Both are laws from God
Both are to be obeyed.

The logical reason I do not obey the cerimonial law is because they pointed to Jesus and Jesus fulfilled them in His life, death and resurrection.
The standard of right and wrong is the same. Sin does not change for Gentiles.

 

[TMS]

We establish the Law?
And..... how does that work?

Please... Maybe stop using the antiquated English - King James?
The Old English and ways of thinking can really cause problems.

Here is a better understanding.

Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? ​

By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law.​

To uphold the Law means? (not, establish it)

Means, when we are filled with the Spirit and having learned truth?
We will be automatically be doing what the Law requires without having to think to do it.
Our transformed nature will simply be upholding what the Law requires.

Our transformed nature will cause us to find ourselves doing what the Law required of us.

I was not convicted by the Holy Spirit of sin until I understood the sin. Until I understood the law I was transgressing.

Unless there is a speed sign to indicate the lawful speed, you will not know which speed to travel at.

100km/h or 60 or 130km/h.
What speed is best to drive at?

The law defines sin and if you throughout the law you will not be convicted of sin. Human nature finds a way to justify sin and harden the heart against the Holy Spirit.

But if we soften the heart and admit we are wrong the Holy Spirit can convict us.

Exo 20:13-16
13 Thou shalt not kill.
14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 Thou shalt not steal.
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness....

We agree that these are sins pointed out by the law.

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
But most believe this is not a sin and do not feel convicted because they justify this law as being only for the Jews.

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

By surrender to The Spirit you will begin to appreciate the law.

 

[Genez]

"the principles of atonement"?

Do you mean Christ revealed the eternal Law to prove to humans, we are sinners and need HIS sacrifice to pay our debt for our sins?

Pretty much... yes.

 

[Genez]

Why do you keep leaving out Jesus Christ?

His death on the Cross was done without himself?

 

[Inquisitor]

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Out of context.

Paul is talking directly to the Jews who were under the law (Exodus 24).

I do not understand why you think the Gentile nations were under the law?

Nowhere in the scripture does it say that Gentile nations were in a blood covenant to obey the law.

Paul did not say that we establish the law for the Gentiles.

Why can't you see that the text (Exodus 24) specifically states that Israel agreed to obey the law?

Paul establishes the law to show the Jews that righteous cannot be gained from obedience to the law.

Paul establishes the law because the law shows the Jews what sin is.

Romans 5:14
For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

No one in Rome, Egypt, Greece, or Persia, could be executed for not resting on the sabbath.

The nations above were never given the law and they never knew God.

You know this is true but you rely on the traditional church teaching which is not based solely on the N.T.

I cannot understand why you do not understand this?