I completely understand the heresy. However, you are not understanding, or at best misrepresenting a few things. 1. The Protestant Christian (Law is obsolete. faded, passing, etc...) view does not derive Sunday worship from the catholic orthodoxy. We derive it from when the apostles met on Sunday
There is absolutely nothing in Scripture that discusses the changing of God’s only holy day to another day. No one may change His holy day - regardless of their reasons.
The NT does mention that he Apostles met on the first day of the week, but that was because they had honored the Sabbath as usual each 7th day. This was never discussed, considered or adopted in any way. Do you think that particular mention of them gathering together was the ONLY time they had met together AFTER worshiping on the Sabbath? On that particular Sunday, they were discussing many things that would soon take place: funds to pay for their trips to other cities to preach the Good News, all of their logistical matters, they were separating themselves and planning their next moves.
But even if that did not take place the mere mentioning of them being gathered together after the Sabbath could not possibly rise to support / confirm / claim this showed the changing of THE ONLY HOLY DAY to the first day. Would you not expect there would be a very serious and lengthy discussion among the Apostles on that same day ? Not a word amongst any of them because no one could change or have any reason to try and change His holy day. Certainly Jesus would have mentioned it don’t you think?
I do agree this was not a “Catholic” decision since papal Rome did not come to full power until the early 6th century, however, they definitely / officially made / confirmed / decreed that Sunday worship was now the day of worship.
The first to change the Sabbath was indeed Constantine in the 4th century when it was so politically advantageous to do so. He would make Christianity officially legal in the Empire and he would consolidate or try to consolidates the Empire by bringing in hundreds of thousands, or even millions of pagans, who worshipped their gods on Sun Day into the Empire. It would be another 50 years when pagan Rome made the Empire officially Christian (not Catholic).
The Protestants nor the Catholics were mentioned, identified, etc., in the Apostolic period.
. They had participated in Shabbat as they were jews and this custom is not forbidden in Christianity
Have no idea what you are saying here. But it is saying what I think you mean, then this too is so wrong. The growing Gentiles Christian church was very successful in removing, persecuting and preventing Jews from staying within THEIR GROWING GENTILE CHURCH.
. 2. The view you have on the Spirit as not being part of the trinity... well... This view split the Orthodox Church. Aka The Great Schism. Protestants believe in a trinity One God in three persons.
3. Orthodoxy also includes a works for salvation belief. Protestants disagree. This does not make us anti-nomian. The mosaic Law was for a period of time, a specific group of people and a specific purpose (although it would seem you can align several purposes to it as collateral effects). I will assume that you have a good grasp of the OT and NT (even if you seem to completely miss the Old Law to New Grace covenant).
I have no idea where this comes from. Where in the NT does Jesus or His Apostles EVER teach the 10 Commandments are “done away with”? I thought Jesus told us to keep His commandments, and if you love Me, obey my commandments. There are more than a few verses where Jesus was SPECIFIC- no interpretation by man at a later date is necessary. No man made phrase like “they were nailed to the cross,” can eliminate His commands.
The Levitical ceremonial laws were indeed “fulfilled” by Jesus but God”s 10 (not 9) commandments represented the nature and character of God Himself along with being God’s laws. And remember, these were God’s laws and Jesus did not come to do away with or disobey His Father’s laws. He did fulfill them by being able to keep each and every one of them- ALL 10!
Protestant Christians obey the law by fulfilling it via Love God and Love thy neighbor. These are our commandments and our law.
This is so wrong. Tell me, which of anyone of the 10 commandments are we allowed to break? Which one, anyone no longer reveals God’s character and nature. What Literal Verse tells us they are done away with? Did Jesus Himself tell us He would place the 10 commandments WITHIN OUR HEARTS AND MINDS? That is not abolishing them is it? Did He tell us He would send His Holy Spirit to reside WITHIN each one of us to empower us to keep them? Why would that be necessary if they were done away with?
I would also toss in Baptism and communion but that's a different rabbit to chase).
Are you saying that baptism (water baptism) and communion (Eucharist) is necessary for salvation? This is Catholicism, and works based.
As I'm sure you've been told or read that 9 of the 10 ten commandments are repeated in the New Testament, the excluded on being #4 "remember the Sabbath and keep it holy". This is because it is a NEW covenant not like your (Israels) fathers.
Wow! Read Matthew 5:17, 19, Luke 4:16, Mark 2:27-28, Genesis 2:3 - the Sabbath was not created at Sinai or FOR Israel and it is NOT a “ceremonial law.” Luke 23:56 (post cross). Acts 17:2 by Paul after the cross. Acts 13:42, Acts 13:44 (here Paul speaks to the Sabbath with the Gentle’s). Revelation 14:12, 12:17, James 2:10, 11. Hebrews 8:10.
Yet all societies understand murder to be bad and adultery to be bad... These ideas predate the mosaic law which was only given to MAN at Mt Sinia.
See above .. this is not Scriptural and all.
There is no more Levitical priesthood, Jesus isn't a Levite. He is the new high priest and with a new one you necessarily have a change in the law.
Yes, Jesus fulfilled the ceremonial laws.
The System of the Mosaic Law cannot be achieved. And doing only parts of it are offensive to God and do nothing bunt jeopardies the grace we have been given.
No, this makes no sense. Jesus specifically tells us to keep His commandments and the Holy Spirit will empower us to keep them for they now reside WITHIN US.
As for the sabbath and remembering it, this we have the liberty in Christ to do when choose. including Saturday or Sunday. No need to set a specific day when any time is the right time. So...
Where is this found in Scripture? See all the above verses to support keeping them. Can man make ANYTHING holy? Can we be so arrogant to claim we can change God’s laws and commandments? Can you find ANYTHING in Scripture that authorizes man to change His laws?
To Recap, you misrepresent Christianity by pointing at the Orthodoxy Strawman. I agree the catholic orthodoxy has done a lot of damage, but Protestant Christianity itself isnt a spin off of catholics it comes from the days of the apostles they had teachers a not pope, Martin Luther simply called us back to the way the apostles wanted it, we called it Protestant but it was a revival of the oreiginal. Jesus is directly contactable without an intermediary.
Directly i never said grace = don't obey. I do say grace negates the requirements of the mosaic law. because it has a new law in Christ which fulfills the requirements of the old law (love God Love neighbor). it is the substance; the mosaic law was the shadow... Old/New, Death/Life.
We have known this for 2000 years. Thanks to the internet and a few cult groups such as SDA and Hebrew Roots. The heresy has been revived after the apostles resolved it i Acts 15 in the first century.
Your “recap” is sad. The Catholic Church and its leader (the little horn of Daniel 7, 8, 9 and 11 and who is also found in 2 Thessalonians 2, in a few verses in Revelation is the one you should point to for so many changes and corruption to God’s laws, commandments, practices. They preach a very, very different gisel even to claim infallibility, divinity, able to forgive sin, preach a different path to salvation that can only come through their church and their sacraments.
He has been revealed and prophesied by Daniel some 2600 years ago. And the Protestant group did “protest” against many of the Catholic churches practices and beliefs but they too kept some- Sunday is one of them .
