Thank you for your observations and comments. I find it challenging to put complex thoughts into words that communicate accurately. It's really nice, once in a while, to hear from someone who understands the points I was trying to make.
Some thoughts on the Sabbath...
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Your stupidity amazes me according to the biblical text which is what we are talking about in Mosaic law was not given to man in any form ever prior to Mount Sinai to Moses that's what's called the Mosaic law
The fact that the most fake law incorporates several moral laws that existed prior to the Mosaic law is not to put the horse before the carriage murder was never acceptable to God and adultery was never acceptable to God however it wasn't relevant until God put it into a specific Covenant for a specific people for a specific time for a specific purpose
Nowhere in the Mosaic law does it explain anything of that Covenant prior to the Mosaic law being given to Moses so all of this let's color in and make up s*** doesn't fly
The reason none of this makes sense to you or for that matter others in the Hebrew roots and SDA mindset fail to realize and it's a real showstopper you do not understand the Mosaic law and yet you are espousing complete fallacies about it proving further that you don't understand it
There never was a mosaic law prior to the giving of it at Sinai there wasn't a dress rehearsal all the way back to Adam and Eve the Mosaic law wasn't that the only way people understood sin it was a collection of rules and practices imposed by God on a specific people for a specific time
By proxy since you don't understand the Old Testament law or the Old Testament itself you have no clue when it comes to the New Testament because you misunderstand pretty much everything that's written about it for example Paul's writings most of you hate them because they contradict what you are trying to impose upon scripture to your own demise
Out of the heart the mouth speaks.
Legion.
I appreciate that God led you to adopt that name here. That we shall be forewarned you are many.
I just can't remember Yeshua ever calling anyone stupid.
Most churches (organized religion) is teaching thing Jesus and His Apostles did not teach.
God's Word warns us against following false doctrine so it would be better to not go to church so you aren't siting under false doctrine with all the other tares than to be true to the Lord and keep Him first place in one's like which is always better than sitting under deception.
He always gave warnings about following false teachers too as in don'[tr do it!
Those living under the Mosaic law will burn in hell for eternity because nobody can be saved following the Mosaic law which is why Jesus came and ended the law of Moses and started the New Covenant where those that love the Lord will follow the Law of Christ as taught in the New Testament
Exactly. He would have to reject Jesus as Lord and Savior in order to follow the Mosaic law
He did tell some folks they were of their father the devil, meaning they are stupid for doing so
Are you thinking of these verses in the Epistle to the Hebrews?
(Heb 10:24-25 NKJV) And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.
So all gathering, or most gathering are false teaching?
Sitting in living room is correct teaching?
Where ever the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ is at leading people in to the Truth of God's Word, that's where Truth can be found.
Those who know the Word of the Lord know and understand God's warnings concerning mass deception in the end times and those who are not accepting or considering the whole counsel of the Lord are the ones sitting under false doctrines at some of these "gatherings" getting deceived which is how they become reprobate.
Very few churches accept and teach the whole counsel of the Lord. The ones that do are typically small churches that are small because the preacher isn't not an ear tickler.
This i do agree, I enjoy small church, hold each other accountable, from leaders to members, iron sharpen iron.
I guess you haven't read much of the New Testament have youI just can't remember Yeshua ever calling anyone stupid.
That's not what it meant.
Jesus saying someone was of their father the Devil was a reference to their spiritual and moral alignment with the Devil.
Lucifer was not stupid.
The very definition is pure STUPIDITY is being God's top angel who decides to attempt to over thrown the Lord after having seen the Lord in action knowing He is all powerful.
There's never in the history of all eternity been anyone more STUPID that lucifer as he made himself to be God's enemy which is why God calls him satan which means ""STUPID NUTJOB who made himself to be God's enemy"
In the ages to come satan will forever be the definition of pure STUPIDITY!
Actually it is what Jesus meant. He pointed out to them that they were enemies of God and yet they still insisted in rejecting Jesus to continue walking with the devil as their leader.
That's active STUPIDITY in action and is why they are burning in hell right now. They were slow, really really slow.
I just can't remember Yeshua ever calling anyone stupid.
^^^ This!
@Seeker47, if you don't mind my asking, would you care to explain your reason for preferring that spelling of Our Lord's name, rather than the usual English spelling?
And another, unrelated, question:
Apart from the Seventh Day Adventists, are there any other Christian denominations that feel obliged to observe the Old Testament Sabbath?
No problem. If you follow my posts, I often refer to the Son of God several ways. Jesus, Christ, Messiah and Yeshua, his true Hebrew name. They are all valid and I use them interchangeably. I see no distinction and criticize none.
About the Sabbath, why do you call it the Old Testament Sabbath? Jesus kept the Sabbath as did his disciples and followers for the first 250 years after the resurrection. Constantine abolish the Sabbat in the third century. Historically, some believers have never abandoned this practice and it has remained prominent in several fundamental Christian churches. That is hardly "Old Testament".
I also must note that there are millions of Christ followers who keep Sabbath today, and the number is growing rapidly. YHWH told his people to keep the seventh day Holy; set apart for Him. Most of us do not keep Shabbat as orthodox Jews do, but honor God on His special day with prayer, study, family, rest, and doing acts of grace. We do this out of love and gratitude, not out of compulsion. Many of us then follow with the Lord's Day corporate worship according to church doctrine. We see no conflict.
I congratulate you for asking open and honest questions. That doesn't happen often.
Thank you, @Seeker47! In answer to your question about the OT Sabbath, I think it’s just as well to be specific because, in Christian use, we more often see the term used to refer to Sunday than to Saturday ― at least in English, though I don’t know of any other language where that curious shift in meaning occurred.
I’m inclined to disagree with you about the date when Christians adopted Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for church attendance and for the weekly rest from work. It’s true that the earliest manuscripts documenting the names of the days in Church Latin ― Dies Dominica, Feria Secunda, Feria Tertia, ... Sabbatum ― date from as late as the reign of Constantine. No doubt about it. However, that could simply mean that most Christian documents from the earlier period, before Christianity gained full legal recognition throughout the Roman Empire, failed to survive the 250 years or so of its semi-underground existence characterized by frequent outbursts of violent persecution.
7th day. Holy convocation. A commandment as well as a blessing.
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@Seeker47, our brief discussion about the Saturday or Sunday question has reminded me of something odd I once noticed about Luke’s wording in a certain verse in Acts. I’d be grateful if you could take a quick look at the last few words in the opening post of a new thread I just started, titled “Significance of ‘breaking bread’ in the NT ― a question.”
https://christianchat.com/threads/significance-of-“breaking-bread”-in-the-nt-―-a-question.224156/