You're right the founder of evil has no capability of stupid in fact he's did just the right thing we should probably all follow him
Some thoughts on the Sabbath...
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I did as you asked but am not sure what you are looking for. I know Church doctrine sometimes uses this passage to suggest the early followers of Christ gave up the Sabbath in favor of the Lords Day. I disagree. When you make your second paragraph assumption about breaking bread, that is where you will end up. The lords day was still many many years away.
Just FYI, I make no judgement here, I too keep the Lords Day. I do not believe the Sabbath and the Lords Day are mutually exclusive. I also do not believe there are any contradictions between the First Testament and the Second Testament.
Just FYI, I make no judgement here, I too keep the Lords Day. I do not believe the Sabbath and the Lords Day are mutually exclusive. I also do not believe there are any contradictions between the First Testament and the Second Testament.
Do you really see some of those passages as just saying they were eating a meal? I know there are plenty of people who do, but I’ve never been able to see it.
Of course, the feeding of the 5000/ 4000 took place several years before the Last Supper and the institution of the Eucharist. But the evangelists were writing their books many years afterward, and I don’t think it can have been just a coincidence that they used the same expression, “breaking bread.”
I am sorry.. haha made me laugh because.. a simple yet true statement.. which every believer knows.I just can't remember Yeshua ever calling anyone stupid.
What are you going to do when the national Sunday law is passed.? There will only be a short while to repent.This should be no surprise. SDA's have institutionalized deception.
Straight Talk on the Dangers of Seventh-day Adventism
Personal experience from 33 years in the SDA Churchwww.nonsda.org
One of the most ludicrous arguments that I have ever heard SDA's teach is that near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday.
Mark of the Beast - SDA Doctrine vs Bible Truth
A careful, Bible-based examination of the SDA doctrine of the Mark of the Beast
There is no national Sunday Bill before the American House of Representatives or Cogress.
From project 2025, page 589:
Sabbath Rest. God ordained the Sabbath as a day of rest, and until very recently
the Judeo-Christian tradition sought to honor that mandate by moral and legal
regulation of work on that day. Moreover, a shared day off makes it possible for
families and communities to enjoy time off together, rather than as atomized
individuals, and provides a healthier cadence of life for everyone. Unfortunately,
that communal day of rest has eroded under the pressures of consumerism and
secularism, especially for low-income workers.
Congress should encourage communal rest by amending the Fair
Labor Standards Act (FLSA)9 to require that workers be paid time and
a half for hours worked on the Sabbath. That day would default to Sunday,
except for employers with a sincere religious observance of a Sabbath at a
different time (e.g., Friday sundown to Saturday sundown); the obligation
would transfer to that period instead. Houses of worship (to the limited
extent they may have FLSA-covered employees) and employers legally
required to operate around the clock (such as hospitals and first responders)
would be exempt, as would workers otherwise exempt from overtime.
Alternative View. While some conservatives believe that the government should
encourage certain religious observance by making it more expensive for employers
and consumers to not partake in those observances, other conservatives believe
that the government’s role is to protect the free exercise of religion by eliminating
barriers as opposed to erecting them. Whereas imposing overtime rules on the Sab-
bath would lead to higher costs and limited access to goods and services and reduce
work available on the Sabbath (while also incentivizing some people—through
higher wages—to desire to work on the Sabbath), the proper role of government
in helping to enable individuals to practice their religion is to reduce barriers to
work options and to fruitful employer and employee relations. The result: ample
job options that do not require work on the Sabbath so that individuals in roles
that sometimes do require Sabbath work are empowered to negotiate directly with
their employer to achieve their desired schedule.
Smooth words, that’s the way the Catholic Church by manipulating civil government changed the Sabbath to Sunday.
This has been repeated over and over as a fact of history. There is nothing in The Bible that even hints at a change to God’s law. The question is still "What are you going to do when the national Sunday law is passed?"
See Canon 29, The Council of Laodicea
[Mar 7:6-9 KJV] 6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with [their] lips, but their heart is far from me. 7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men. 8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, [as] the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. 9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
Yes, there can be no doubt that it was the earjy Church that adopted Sunday, instead of Saturday, as the day for religious observance and for the weekly rest from work. But when did that happen? I imagine we are all agreed that it can have been no later than the reign of Constantine. But can it have been earlier than that and, if so, how much earlier? Some people think it may even have been during Paul’s lifetime. Do you hold any particular view on the matter?
For my part, I find it an interesting question, though I have never managed to make up my mind about the answer.
Paul seems to have had some insight into this:
[Act 20:29 KJV] 29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
[Act 20:30 KJV] 30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
[2Ti 4:3-4 KJV] 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
The verse I remember seeing quoted in this context is Acts 20:7, introducing the Eutychus incident at Troas. It begins (in the ESV): “On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, ...” What can Luke’s reason have been for thinking he needed to tell his readers what day of the week it was?
In 1888 there was a failed effort to pass a Sunday rest bill.
An organization writing a treatese on the subject isn't the same thing as a Sunday Rest bill being introduced into our Congress.
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it is lack of faith not knowing Jesus himself as Lord and God.
it is lack of faith not knowing Jesus himself as Lord and God.
And it shall come to pass in that day, that his burden shall be taken away from off thy shoulder, and his yoke from off thy neck, and the yoke shall be destroyed because of the anointing.
And it shall come to pass in that day, that his burden shall be taken away from off thy shoulder, and his yoke from off thy neck, and the yoke shall be destroyed because of the anointing.
Perfect Parah
The concepts of the Red Heifer, the sacrifices Outside the city, and the Fulfillment of the Sabbath are deeply intertwined, particularly within the Book of Hebrews.
When they say Jesus "fulfilled the Sabbath," they do not just mean he changed a Day of the week; they mean He Fulfilled the spiritual Purpose of the Sabbath, which is Entering into Perfect, Permanent Rest from man labor. The Red Heifer plays a massive, symbolic role in making that rest possible.
The concepts of the Red Heifer, the sacrifices Outside the city, and the Fulfillment of the Sabbath are deeply intertwined, particularly within the Book of Hebrews.
When they say Jesus "fulfilled the Sabbath," they do not just mean he changed a Day of the week; they mean He Fulfilled the spiritual Purpose of the Sabbath, which is Entering into Perfect, Permanent Rest from man labor. The Red Heifer plays a massive, symbolic role in making that rest possible.
Yes....beautifully said. I sometimes wonder why this is so difficult to understand. He said his followers would worship in "spirit and truth". Same commands, but now elevated to their fullest meaning. Do you wonder if it's so simple we sometimes can't see it?
Yes, and there should be no doubt that Paul came to believe that the Lord should be worshipped every day and no day esteemed more than another (Col. 2:16-17).