Is that your best 'interpretation' teacher?
Witnessing lambs and sheep. Jews and Gentiles alike and beloved of CHRIST, in humble and humility as an unworthy servant, i am only responding for you to 'witness' false.
As it is written and said by the chosen Apostle Paul for the Gentile Christian that;
"To shut stupid silence ignorant people."
LORD JESUS CHRIST did not come to make the two divided houses into one. This as to make and proclaim all religion as one and we all worship the same GOD but not in the same way. (the 'pope' orchestrated one lately for the world to watch, bringing all religion priests together and in prayer, in order to make the world a better place and many of our 'protestant' church leaders attended, even to one kissing the pope's hand in admiration).
Please listen to the 'anointing' placed in us Teacher, the HOLY SPIRIT's interpretation to justify that the other 'interpretation' is close but false according to the truth. The written Holy Scripture in Romans chapter 11, did use two 'olive trees' as an example, yes, but did CHRIST make both trees as one or cut off some of the branches in the first tree and just for now put them aside and cut off some of the branches of the second tree and 'grafted' them to the first tree. This proves CHRIST made/cultivated only one tree and worked on that one tree with it's remaining fruitful branches, still Israel, the true 'House of Jacob' from the beginning, and by only grafting branches that which HE purchased them, 'by Grace through faith' from the other ignored tree, till today wildly growing, the world. the true 'house of satan'.
And so regarding the 'houses' that CHRIST has made them into one?
False!
It has always been and be only 'one' and remain standing according to Abraham's promise, 'The House Of Jacob', Israelite. The other built by itself house remain standing on it's own with no 'ties' at all until today and ever.
GOD by CHRIST and for CHRIST, removed from HIS house in a harsh test/trial of corrections some of HIS rebellion and unfruitful children and put them aside in chastisement for awhile, until they have a change of heart of repentance.
Meantime, HE reached out to those slave, poor, orphans and widows from the other house, who were 'tortured' by the master of that house and by his servants. HE therefore, out of compassion purchased them and brough them back to HIS house and accepted and adopted them as HIS own children, where HIS remaining fruitful obedient biological children of HIS house accepted them as well. And moreover also to cause jealousy on HIS rebellious unfruitful children, until they have a change of heart in repentance and be accepted back once again, as now everyone in 'one' big happy family with no divisions amongst one another.
But over the years, when the FATHER decided to talk to HIS rebellious children who were put aside once, in order to show compassion to the 'outsiders' instead, and once again they repented and HE embraced them back. But before HE welcomed them back home, HE first 're-removed' the adopted ones who were unfruitful according to their position and became 'proud, conceit and deceitful' in their outer 'arrayed' position of 'equality', even in wealth, similar with HIS remained biological ones, who now 'boastfully proclaiming amongst them and in embarrassment to the punished biological ones, which the 'remained' ones, in their on going 'birth pangs' longed to save and bring them back.
Even the others are dealth with as follows, as mentioned above, over the time period of meantime separation. But one day HE plans to bring all of them, HIS biological ones, HE punished earlier, back and unite them all together once and for all as HE promised, even together with the remaining, in humble and humility and fearful, faithful and fruitful adopted ones, who never forget but continuously feared and revered, even the punished ones will return home one day, as they deserve and worthy, during the period of HIS test/trial on the adopted and accepted ones of the growing faithfulness.
Let us not be like 'infants' to mess around with the, 'every word that proceeded out of the mouth of GOD that man of CHRIST shall live by', written in the HOLY BIBLE, given by our LORD JESUS CHRIST, through the 'inspiration' of the HOLY SPIRIT, given to 'lame men' who live in different periods of time and different regions, over the time.
In the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST i 'beseech' you, little sir sltaylor to stop infancy 'witnessing' and messing up the straight path made by our LORD JESUS CHRIST until HIS return, and as good stewards, both Jews and Gentiles Christians, to remain submissive and obedient to 'as it is written', not sway to the left or right, during a period of HIS planned test/trial of faithfulness to HIS every written Word(CHRIST),
You are correct in many other things that you have shared but you still need 'completion' in Kingdom Spiritual Knowledge 'as it is written' and in 'context' and accounted as a faithful doer of HIS every Word(CHRIST).
This is the best interpretation of the HOLY SPIRIT allowed now, that one would ever find to be 'built up', the church in knowledge faith, in order not to be in 'ignorance' and be deceived by other, even those who have not fully grown in allowed Kingdom knowledge in 'faith' according to the HOLY BIBLE. How can such person possible 'teach' others, when even using examples that doesn't matsh with the Holy Scripture and has been 'exposed' of false.
Therefore how can they prove to you they are faithful doers, being 'incomplete' in knowledge faith.?
This is clearly 'lawlessness' witnessing and deceiving others.
As it is written and even quoted in earlier reply to whom this may concern, that;
"The blind leading the blind and soon they are going to fall into a ditch."
Fred, where do I even start on your interpretation.
Those God foreknew he predisted, Fred. That's all that matters. God knows me, period. I know that being found in Christ is what Paul wanted for every one of his listeners all along. That's all that matters, every thing else is counted as a loss.
One flock, one shepherd. What you are saying contradicts what Jesus said Fred.
You are saying two peoples, one shepherd still, when Jesus clearly said one flock...I dont know why it's so hard for you to accept what Jesus said. Or what Paul said for that matter.
And if I'm wrong, ok. But I can say, I know God foreknew me sir.
As for all this humility you preach for others to display, where is yours? You tell people to 'shut up' in your posts.....ok. Practice what you preach!
As for your interpretation of Sarah and Hagar, wow. Hagar's children are born of woman naturally, (not born again), Sarah's children are born by the spirit, (born again). The children born in the ordinary way is the world, including the Jews who have not accepted Christ. Remeber, Paul said Hagar stands for the PRESENT CITY OF JERUSALEM, whose children are in slavery. You assume only Gentiles are in slavery....wrong, the whole world is a prisoner of Sin.....thats what Paul said. A man must be born again, its what Jesus came even unto his own proclaiming, because those are the children of promise, whose mother is Sarah. Those prisoners of sin are who Jesus came to free by becoming a curse himself!
Get rid of the slave womans son, because they arent born again, from imperishable seed, and we all know that the perishable can't INHERIT the imperishable-1st Cor. 15:50.
And that wording should be a sign to you, INHERIT THE KINDOM, because he's referencing the promise given to the seed after being born again and found in Christ.
You don't HAVE TO answer my question, because I know what the answer is already. There is only one chosen, holy nation God has chosen out of the world for himself, and that's why PETER was telling those washed by the blood of Christ who they really were.
And as for the blind leading the blind, he was speaking of the pharisees, and how they themselves nor their hearers, were allowing people to enter the Kingdom, because their message and understanding were lacking. They had forgotten about Faith and the rebirth and the cross.
In Christ it is one big happy family, because he himself declared that we will be so full of joy and there will be no more death, nor any more tears, and that sounds pretty happy to me! Scripture declares IN CHRIST there is no Jew, no greek, no slave no free, not even a male or female, we are all one in Christ, and I'm completely missing how you deny that in your 'understanding' and 'testimony' that directly contradicts everything Jesus and Paul and Peter wrote us. How can you say that once even the Jews are grafted into Christ, there is still a separation, that is a Lie! You deny the holy spirit, working through Paul who testifies to that very thing, because in your understanding you say the Jews are the mature and we still get the crumbs...like you have the whole table....no, to him faithfully waits for Him even unto the end: "It will be good for those servants whose master finds them watching when he comes. I tell you the truth, he will dress himself to serve, will have them recline at the table and will come and wait on them." So in Christ I tell you the truth, that there are no more crumbs, Jesus, my Savior, said himself God will prepare our table and feed us himself!
And yes Christ is coming down to save Israel in the end, and we who are grafted in, will be coming with him.
You also deny the teaching of the NT when you say this present city of Jerusalem is to whom the promises were given, these are the very ones who corresponded to Hagar, and THE PRESENT CITY OF JERUSALEM!
It is the children of promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed, as Paul said to us, you, brothers, LIKE ISAAC are children of promise, and WE are regarded as the seed, that was to come by being IN CHRIST. Why can you not see what that makes us of we are the seed of Abraham? If you think the promise comes a to ANY ONE ELSE, apart from Christ, you are the one in denial, for Paul himself said: "But the Scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin,*so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe."
When I started this thread, it was for the understanding of how the prophets were talking about the salvation that comes through Faith, and how we as the body could understand how the prophets who predicted Christ's coming, were also talking about our salvation. .
It was not a boast sir, nor is it a boast to say what scripture declares.
