Speaking in tongues

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cv5 said:
Not according to Sid Roth. He says he is living out the 1Cor14 lifestyle.
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your issue is with sid roth ,

my understanding comes from Acts 2 and 1cor chaoters 12 to 14.

One can fault with anyone who they disagree with. Last time I checked sid roth is not authoritative on the topic. But Paul is as The Holy Spirit enable him to be used. Hey question for you Did God make Paul write the words of was Paul obedient to the calling?
 
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bygrace said:
Sid Roth was not mentioned in 1cor 14 .
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Not according to Sid Roth. He says he is living out the 1Cor14 lifestyle.
My assertion is that what Sid Roth is acting out are bogus tongues. And anyone who sound professes to be speaking in tongues and sounds similar to Sid Roth is also acting out in some childish manner and NOT speaking in tongues. Clearly.
Furthermore, everyone I have ever heard speaking in so called tongues that sounded the same as Sid's bogus tongues I categorized as bogus nonsense fraud tongues.

Conclusion: you cannot convincingly fake tongues, despite the obfuscation, evasion, deception and parlor tricks. Real genuine tongues are perfectly obvious instantaneously even by individuals who have never encountered tongues before.
 
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bygrace said:
your issue is with sid roth ,

my understanding comes from Acts 2 and 1cor chaoters 12 to 14.

One can fault with anyone who they disagree with. Last time I checked sid roth is not authoritative on the topic. But Paul is as The Holy Spirit enable him to be used. Hey question for you Did God make Paul write the words of was Paul obedient to the calling?
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Great. Please post links to video/audio of LEGITIMATE tongues and I will review them.
Thus far, all of my petitions to the tongues speakers has been unfulfilled. As I predicted.
A lot of loose talk about tongues, and no action.
 
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cv5 said:
Not according to Sid Roth. He says he is living out the 1Cor14 lifestyle.
My assertion is that what Sid Roth is acting out are bogus tongues. And anyone who sound professes to be speaking in tongues and sounds similar to Sid Roth is also acting out in some childish manner and NOT speaking in tongues. Clearly.
Furthermore, everyone I have ever heard speaking in so called tongues that sounded the same as Sid's bogus tongues I categorized as bogus nonsense fraud tongues.

Conclusion: you cannot convincingly fake tongues, despite the obfuscation, evasion, deception and parlor tricks. Real genuine tongues are perfectly obvious instantaneously even by individuals who have never encountered tongues before.
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well then, there you have it; your issue is with sid roth and his bogus tongues. Also who really cares what you think of everyone who is being used by the Holy Spirit in the gifts HE gives to Christians. The “everyone" you have heard speaking in tongues who sound like sid roth, maybe you just hate sid roth. Clearly you are just a judgmental person with hate for sid roth. You are not an authority on this issue are you? Nor are you clearly understanding the gifts of the Holy Spirit.
 
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Dino246 said:
Who died and made you the judge?
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I am a believing Christian in the legitimate Spiritual Church, therefore the following scriptures apply:

1Cor 5:12,13
What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”

1Cor 6:2,3
Or do you not know that the Lord’s people will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases?
Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life!

1Cor 10:15
I speak to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I say.
 
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well then, there you have it; your issue is with sid roth and his bogus tongues. Also who really cares what you think of everyone who is being used by the Holy Spirit in the gifts HE gives to Christians. The “everyone" you have heard speaking in tongues who sound like sid roth, maybe you just hate sid roth. Clearly you are just a judgmental person with hate for sid roth. You are not an authority on this issue are you? Nor are you clearly understanding the gifts of the Holy Spirit.
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No. My issue is with ALL bogus tongues, as this stunt brings contempt to the Church and is a device of Satan to cause doubt and ridicule among the unsaved.
And yes, I am rather an authority on tongues. Enough of an authority to spot bogus tongues in a heartbeat. Evidently you do not possess the same qualities of perception.

The spiritual gift of discernment is also known as the gift of “discernment of spirits” or “distinguishing between spirits.” The Greek word for the gift of discernment is Diakrisis. The word describes being able to distinguish, discern, judge or appraise a person, statement, situation, or environment. In the New Testament it describes the ability to distinguish between spirits as in 1 Corinthians 12:10, and to discern good and evil as in Hebrews 5:14.


The Holy Spirit gives the gift of discernment to enable certain Christians to clearly recognize and distinguish between the influence of God, Satan, the world, and the flesh in a given situation. The church needs those with this gift to warn believers in times of danger or keep them from being led astray by false teaching.
See also I Corinthians 12:10, Acts 5:3-6; 16:16-18; 1 John 4:1.
 
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Great. Please post links to video/audio of LEGITIMATE tongues and I will review them.
Thus far, all of my petitions to the tongues speakers has been unfulfilled. As I predicted.
A lot of loose talk about tongues, and no action.
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I did post a link it for you it's found in Acts chapter 2 and throughout the Book of Acts. Also 1cor chapter 12- to 14 on the very gifts of the Holy Spirit. You think some has to demonstrate the gifts of the Holy Spirit to you. Would you like to buy the gift too as Simon the sorcery ? You prideful arrogant man. Shame on you. You see the word of God and know it is correct then try to make one use a gift to satisfy your carnal perversion. Shame on you.
 
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I am a believing Christian in the legitimate Spiritual Church, therefore the following scriptures apply:

1Cor 5:12,13
What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”

1Cor 6:2,3
Or do you not know that the Lord’s people will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases?
Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life!

1Cor 10:15
I speak to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I say.
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God will judge what you say. I will leave you in His hands you are a prideful hateful man. You have no humility nor respect. shame on you.
 
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I did post a link it for you it's found in Acts chapter 2 and throughout the Book of Acts. Also 1cor chapter 12- to 14 on the very gifts of the Holy Spirit. You think some has to demonstrate the gifts of the Holy Spirit to you. Would you like to buy the gift too as Simon the sorcery ? You prideful arrogant man. Shame on you. You see the word of God and know it is correct then try to make one use a gift to satisfy your carnal perversion. Shame on you.
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Really? Read my posts. I do have a gift of the Spirit, namely the Gift of Discernment. Sorry to disappoint you, but I do NOT possess the gift of tongues. And no one I have ever encountered had the legitimate Gift of Tongues. Still looking.
 
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bygrace said:
God will judge what you say. I will leave you in His hands you are a prideful hateful man. You have no humility nor respect. shame on you.
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You are wrong. Read the scriptures that I posted. Church authorities have every right and obligation to test the spirits and rightly divide the truth and judge inside the Church. Bogus tongues are NOT allowed in the Church. Legit tongues are WELCOMED.
 
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God will judge what you say. I will leave you in His hands you are a prideful hateful man. You have no humility nor respect. shame on you.
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Post your video of legit tonges, and I will pass it along in order to EDIFY the Body!
This is your obligation. Please do NOT HESITATE to upload your video of tongues.
Thank You!
 
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No. My issue is with ALL bogus tongues, as this stunt brings contempt to the Church and is a device of Satan to cause doubt and ridicule among the unsaved.
And yes, I am rather an authority on tongues. Enough of an authority to spot bogus tongues in a heartbeat. Evidently you do not possess the same qualities of perception.

The spiritual gift of discernment is also known as the gift of “discernment of spirits” or “distinguishing between spirits.” The Greek word for the gift of discernment is Diakrisis. The word describes being able to distinguish, discern, judge or appraise a person, statement, situation, or environment. In the New Testament it describes the ability to distinguish between spirits as in 1 Corinthians 12:10, and to discern good and evil as in Hebrews 5:14.


The Holy Spirit gives the gift of discernment to enable certain Christians to clearly recognize and distinguish between the influence of God, Satan, the world, and the flesh in a given situation. The church needs those with this gift to warn believers in times of danger or keep them from being led astray by false teaching.
See also I Corinthians 12:10, Acts 5:3-6; 16:16-18; 1 John 4:1.
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No sir, you are not an authority on the gifts of the Holy Spirit. You are hypocrite. You attack what you say is fake tongues then mock people who do not as you say, “Evidently you do not possess the same qualities of perception.”

You are just like those who say you are not saved because you do not speak in tongues. You are just like them wrong. I do not have the same blind misguided qualities of perception as you. I do have discernment. Which too is gift of the Holy Spirit.
 
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You are wrong. Read the scriptures that I posted. Church authorities have every right and obligation to test the spirits and rightly divide the truth and judge inside the Church. Bogus tongues are NOT allowed in the Church. Legit tongues are WELCOMED.
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you are not one of authority . You would not know how to test spirit even with a commentary. You are the issue, you have much hate in your heart.
 
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Really? Read my posts. I do have a gift of the Spirit, namely the Gift of Discernment. Sorry to disappoint you, but I do NOT possess the gift of tongues. And no one I have ever encountered had the legitimate Gift of Tongues. Still looking.
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Thankfully you are not one of the ability to know all OR be all present. How old are you? Do you get out much? Have you been to any other place or continent? So your experiance approves or disproves Gods word ? So prideful .
 
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Post your video of legit tonges, and I will pass it along in order to EDIFY the Body!
This is your obligation. Please do NOT HESITATE to upload your video of tongues.
Thank You!
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I do not need to demonstrate to you nor provide proof to you. You are not one of authority. The word of God is as it stands Truth. No matter if human reasoning says differently. Or if you scoff and mock. What you have not done is prove that tongues is not for today, as the Word of God does not teach. Moreover, you in your arrogance want video ? Why don'y you just ask Ther Lord to give you the gift? then use it to build up instead of tear down.
 
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Kavik said:
Speaks what exactly though? Modern tongues-speech, or real rational language(s)?
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First off I am not one to limit what The Holy Spirit will empower one to speak in. And I speak 5 languages now and they are known to the countries where I speak them at. you interject what you say is rational, but this is spiritual therefor the human understanding will not be edified. You cannot prove spiritual things in the flesh, but yet those like you ask for video's and linguist approval. It does not matter that 1. Video is out there of one speaking in tongues and being studied and proven to be a real language

2. many linguist have said what they have heard and studied were in fact actually languages of those who spoke in tongues.

But that does not matter. There are those who will say contrary. Back to the word of God. The gifts of the Holy Spirit are for today and as normative in scripture. Found in 1cor 12 to 14 chapters. The experience is real and does not need your approval for validation.
 
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bygrace said:
Video is out there of one speaking in tongues and being studied and proven to be a real language

2. many linguist have said what they have heard and studied were in fact actually languages of those who spoke in tongues.
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Could you perhaps post a link to one such video or study? There are hundreds, if not thousands, of examples of 'tongues-speech' that have been recorded, transcribed, studied and analyzed (including some I've done myself) - not one has ever been found to be anything but non-cognitive, non-language utterance.

This is an argument I've heard before - i.e. that I'm trying to analyze and study something spiritual in 'human' terms, or some such thing. Modern tongues-speech is something which is very concrete and tangible, there's no debating that. It can be, and has been, studied and analyzed with all results essentially drawing the same conclusions. There's absolutely nothing any tongues-speaker is doing that cannot be explained in natural, linguistic terms.
 
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The experience is real
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Yes, I agree 100% - as I mention in previous posts on this thread; tongues-speakers are very keen on describing the experience and, said experience is, to many, almost miraculous. Indeed, for those that use it, it is very psychologically fulfilling. It’s almost like primal screaming. When people practice ‘tongues’, they feel a sense of sweet release in that all stress can be gone after the experience.

People can describe the experience, but in examining the “mechanics” behind it…yeah, not so much. When a person has experienced tongues, s/he is absolutely convinced as to the ‘scripturalness’ of his/her experience and the correctness of his/her doctrinal beliefs – this, despite the overwhelming scriptural absence of anything remotely akin to it.

Mind you, I'm not doubting or questioning the 'experience'; as mentioned, glossolalia as the tool that it is, can be very powerful. It is important to note however that this same statement can be made for virtually any other culture that practices glossolalia.
 
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