still think 9 11 was a conspiracy?
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AboundingGrace
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The blacksmith just said that conspiracists shouldn't use the argument of steel/jet fuel to label 911 as a conspiracy. I'm not into the conspiracies but I have looked at some on a boring day so I know that there are plenty of other arguments out there that still say that 911 was a conspiracy.
The video you chose is a good use of this forum though.
Lol they've all ready tried doing this. You can't really prove or disprove whether or not the planes, the jet fuel, or the fire would be enough to bring the towers down. You can't really do a controlled experiment to replicate one of the most uncontrolled events of modern times.
What we can prove though is that Osama bin Laden confesses to the 9/11 attacks, details his motivations and goals, and shows a level of detailed planning that pretty much confirms he masterminded it.
Here's the video that disproves the 9/11 US government conspiracy theory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ8oVnOugCE
[video=youtube;DZ8oVnOugCE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ8oVnOugCE[/video]
The real US government cover-up is about how involved Saudi Arabia was.
Inside the Saudi 9/11 coverup | New York Post
What we can prove though is that Osama bin Laden confesses to the 9/11 attacks, details his motivations and goals, and shows a level of detailed planning that pretty much confirms he masterminded it.
Here's the video that disproves the 9/11 US government conspiracy theory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ8oVnOugCE
[video=youtube;DZ8oVnOugCE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ8oVnOugCE[/video]
The real US government cover-up is about how involved Saudi Arabia was.
Inside the Saudi 9/11 coverup | New York Post
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jaybird88
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most truth seekers never denied bin laden was involved, it was more focused on how much assistance did they have from our corrupt leaders here in the US.
Yea WTC 7 is still kinda like that odd piece of the puzzle that just don't fit anywhere. In the context of the terrorist attack it makes no sense for the building to fall over when it was never struck. Though I think a case could be made with the collapse of the bigger buildings that the foundation was compromised, which would bring down WTC 7.
Just my take on it, but it is indeed the wonkiest part of the 9/11 event.
Yeah. I still have yet to hear a good reason for, not only why WTC 7 went down, but why it went down in the same perfect controlled-demo fashion that the twin towers went down in. When you demo a building it has to be done just right, otherwise it's either not going to collapse all the way, or it's gonna fall outward instead of straight down. Crazy that this happened 3 times in a row....
The shaky foundation is a good theory though.
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jaybird88
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does anyone think it strange that after the attack, bush, cheney, powell and many others were quoted in the news stating that hijacked jets flying into sky scrapers was something they never expected. yet on that very day norad was doing war game simulations of hijacked jets flying into buildings and it wasnt the first time. how does one do simulation exercises on something they know nothing about?
and each time they made the statements about how they never expected an attack like this, the phrase used was almost identical. its almost as if they want to be caught in the lies. makes no sense.
and each time they made the statements about how they never expected an attack like this, the phrase used was almost identical. its almost as if they want to be caught in the lies. makes no sense.
Have people taken into account that there were operatives within the twin towers... why assume our leaders we're all in it? How about the idea that some, not all, people in our government are secret operative enemies that sneaked into our government.
I don't see why we can conclude our entire government was in on it. I think that's jumping the gun.
Regardless of anything, we shouldn't doubt how God can use men and women to do what's right... or be naive to think mankind always does right. We should judge each person as individuals. I don't believe our government or any is hopeless because God exists.
I don't see why we can conclude our entire government was in on it. I think that's jumping the gun.
Regardless of anything, we shouldn't doubt how God can use men and women to do what's right... or be naive to think mankind always does right. We should judge each person as individuals. I don't believe our government or any is hopeless because God exists.
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jaybird88
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i dont think people are trying to say that every single person connected with our gov is a dirty scumbag. i think people are tired of being lied to and have been pushed to far by a government that that seems to care very little.
our gov is a den of vipers, there are some in there trying to change that. best of luck to them. but just because there are a tiny few good ones in there im not going to pat em all on the back and tell em good job
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jaybird88
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someone turn the tv on for dude so he can watch cartoons.
see i can come down there and make childish playground remarks as well.
I'm just sayin.....if you think 9,11 is a conspiracy then you probably in need to readjust your aluminum foil hat....I think the information age has made Americans more paranoid and generally ridiculous.
A few good ones? So, you've met all politicians or the majority of them to be able to say there are only a few good ones? Jaybird, don't you think your exaggerating there?
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Jesussaveme
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I do not wish to give my opinion on this, opinions are like _______ we all have on and they all stink. But if we ever truly wanted to know what happened we could build the identical buildings in a similar climate get remote control planes and do an experiment.
It would cost a lot of money. But we could use the money the owner of the buildings received after taking the insurance company to court to say that since it was attacked twice he should get double the policies return on incase of terrorist attack. Which policy he took out a few weeks or months before it happened making an insane profit off a horrible tradegy so the money should be used for something other than mere profit.
It's ashame really though, the technology we have now and had in 2001 could stop a nuclear bomb from hitting the US. Surely it could take down planes. And I understand l, I don't think I could push the button knowing American lives were on board the planes.
Even more ashame that if we werent conducting war time exercises at that exact time we may have been able to scramble some jets to see what could be done.
Even more terrible, if we werent conducting wartime exercises that involved a senario about planes hiting key US locations at the same time it actually occurred..... Maybe something could have gone different that day.
It would cost a lot of money. But we could use the money the owner of the buildings received after taking the insurance company to court to say that since it was attacked twice he should get double the policies return on incase of terrorist attack. Which policy he took out a few weeks or months before it happened making an insane profit off a horrible tradegy so the money should be used for something other than mere profit.
It's ashame really though, the technology we have now and had in 2001 could stop a nuclear bomb from hitting the US. Surely it could take down planes. And I understand l, I don't think I could push the button knowing American lives were on board the planes.
Even more ashame that if we werent conducting war time exercises at that exact time we may have been able to scramble some jets to see what could be done.
Even more terrible, if we werent conducting wartime exercises that involved a senario about planes hiting key US locations at the same time it actually occurred..... Maybe something could have gone different that day.
I wouldn't know much about the 911 conspiracy theory. I just don't trust the general attitude of conspiracy theorists. If you read above... a poster is sure that there's only a few good politicians out there. I doubt he's met them all. I doubt him... and people who believe in these conspiracies often have that kind of "I know without a shadow of a doubt" kind of attitude and I hear them its hard to trust someone you can spot exaggerating so easily.
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Jesussaveme
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Thanks. Calmador. I read the rules of this forums posting and I like what the moderator asked us to call conspiracy theory. Conspiracy research! It's different. I myself have never been a conspiracy researcher or theorist. I do not know what happened that day exactly I only know the facts that can be found and the ones that have been given out. Everything I wrote in my schpeal is information that can be considered fact and no one would deny any of it I don't think.
As for politicians I tend to agree with you. The world has many more people who love their fellow man and want to do as much good as they could not for their own personal gain but because it fills man's heart to do good. Do I think the do gooders are always put in the best positions of highest political influence? Not a chance. But sometimes they are. Let's pray that more of them can be placed where they need to be.
Thanks again
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As for politicians I tend to agree with you. The world has many more people who love their fellow man and want to do as much good as they could not for their own personal gain but because it fills man's heart to do good. Do I think the do gooders are always put in the best positions of highest political influence? Not a chance. But sometimes they are. Let's pray that more of them can be placed where they need to be.
Thanks again
John
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jaybird88
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no i have not met all of them. i dont call it exaggerating, i call it an educated decision. actions speak louder than words. take a look at the actions of our leaders, think about it and then ask the question again.
did you know that in the middle of the wall street scandals, bail outs and senate hearings, not one financier wen to jail. i watched many of them, almost all had their lies and corruption exposed and nothing was done. and after that, even more regulation (rules for them to follow) was cut.
if you go to any public council meeting in the usa u will hear same thngs. more social programs being cut and rolled back, and at the same time more tax breaks, government subsidies (tax money) for the giant corporations. why does a giant corporation with record profits that pays its workers they smallest pay they can get away with need financial assistance from the government? and i can go on but do i need to.
our government is supposed to serve the citizens, the masses, you and i. but it has proven to serve only the select few.
this is what i base my words on
Too much logic.......you need to stop.
We look at our government, like we do our children.
We see what we want to, and ignore the hurtful things they say and do.They can do no wrong, ...and would never do wrong to us...especially on purpose. Right?
9/11 is the perfect example of people seeing what they want to see. Thousands of witnesses, countless videos that are in your face....and still, nothing. Those who scream "conspiracy" ....have obviously not done their homework. They defend something that has stacks of evidence saying otherwise. It may not have gone down like the theorists say.....but one thing is for sure. It did not go down like the news said.
And that makes them liars.
........and we're the nutcases?
As a whole, we would be a terrible jury.