Stonesoffire, here is the study I promised to post for you. I know you have seen the spirit of the word - you know the word is spirit because God is Spirit - and I know you pursue the spirit of the words.
It is such a new and different way of understanding that...we flash in and out of it. This is the flesh, that has a default to always go back to the literal, struggling against the Spirit and the spirit of the words. It's not the literal sense (or the letter of the word) that avails us - it is the spirit of the word that avails us.
If ever there was a place where the spirit of the word matters, it is in the beginning of the book of Genesis. The very fact that the light and darkness first spoken of are not literal is seen by them being talked about many days before the sun and moon are created. In fact, the sun and the moon are pictures or copies of the spiritual reality, and we know this because God created it all to show His glory. John testifies to the beginning being the spirit of the matter in the beginning of his book. It's something else to look up if you would like.
I know this will not be well received by most and they will insist on the letter rather than the spirit, but we will just ignore that and study this.
When I looked up the definitions, I did not necessarily include the complete list because some definitions have to be discarded because they are literal and we are being shown spirit here. Also, they had to fit within the context of the spiritual understanding we are seeking here. You can do the study yourself with a concordance, and the Spirits help. In fact, you should. Because seeing the roots helps to a rounder understanding and I am not sure I have included all of the roots here. As I went along, and as I began to understand by the Spirits help, I chose the words that fit the spiritual context He was showing me. So it will help to look it up yourself and meditate on it.
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Keep in mind that this is our beginning, our story, but not the beginning of God (who has no beginning) and not the beginning of angels, who already existed with God.
Beginning is only listed in the appendix, because it is assumed that we all know what beginning means. I checked on beginnings to see if there was anything that might be helpful.
Beginnings - 7218- from a root word that means: to shake, as in the head, as in: the part that turns away.
Created - 1254 - To absolutely create; qualified to cut down a wood (a tree).
This is the spiritual sense I received: In the shaking of the part that turned away (satan and those who followed him are the part that turned away), God cut down a tree. (A lofty and proud tree - satan). He cast from His Presence due to rebellion and this created the place where His Presence was, and the other place, where His presence was not. (Heaven and earth).
It may seem I have jumped the gun at this above point, but you will see now that I have not because of the awfulness of this other place.
And the earth was without form and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
without form -8414 - To lie waste, a desolation, a worthless thing, confusion, empty place, waste, nothing, wilderness.
void - 922 - empty, vacuity, an undistinguishable ruin, emptiness, void.
This is the spiritual sense I received: And the earth (the place where He was not), was a desolate, worthless thing of confusion. It was an undistinguishable ruin.
When jonteel asked us what was a place God did not create, most did not understand, but a few had this answer: darkness. Yes, there is a verse where God says, I create the darkness. This creation in the very beginning of Genesis is a negative creation, caused by casting something or someone from His presence. It is not the positive creation of: let there be...
Those people were able to, at least even just dimly, see that hell will also be a negative creation. So it can be said that He created darkness, but in another sense, it can be said He did not. You have to see it spiritually to understand.
If ever there was a place that could be called the outer darkness, this in the beginning of Genesis was that outer darkness. No light, so no three dimensionalness, thus no bodies. It is light that makes three dimensionalness by its' effects on things. Light and shadow create the three dimensionalism. Without them there is the undistinguishableness of "void."
And we know it is awful also because the demons are terrified to be cast there again. They begged to be in the body of a pig before being cast there. They like a human body better but will settle for anything before that place.
And darkness was upon the face of the deep.
darkness - 2822 - misery, destruction, death, ignorance, sorrow, wickedness.
face - 6440 - The face (as the part that turns) against anger + battle.
deep - 8415 - an abyss, deep place.
This is the spiritual sense I received: And misery and wickedness and death were upon the part that turned away( in anger and battle against God) and were in the abyss.
And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
face - 6440 again.
waters - 4325 - water, by euphemism - urine, semen, piss, wasting.
The spiritual sense: And the Spirit of God moved upon the part that turned away - the waste products He calls them.
Here is where it begins to turn around and positive creations behave to take a break so am posting this in case I get kicked offline while I'm gone. Be back very soon.
It is such a new and different way of understanding that...we flash in and out of it. This is the flesh, that has a default to always go back to the literal, struggling against the Spirit and the spirit of the words. It's not the literal sense (or the letter of the word) that avails us - it is the spirit of the word that avails us.
If ever there was a place where the spirit of the word matters, it is in the beginning of the book of Genesis. The very fact that the light and darkness first spoken of are not literal is seen by them being talked about many days before the sun and moon are created. In fact, the sun and the moon are pictures or copies of the spiritual reality, and we know this because God created it all to show His glory. John testifies to the beginning being the spirit of the matter in the beginning of his book. It's something else to look up if you would like.
I know this will not be well received by most and they will insist on the letter rather than the spirit, but we will just ignore that and study this.
When I looked up the definitions, I did not necessarily include the complete list because some definitions have to be discarded because they are literal and we are being shown spirit here. Also, they had to fit within the context of the spiritual understanding we are seeking here. You can do the study yourself with a concordance, and the Spirits help. In fact, you should. Because seeing the roots helps to a rounder understanding and I am not sure I have included all of the roots here. As I went along, and as I began to understand by the Spirits help, I chose the words that fit the spiritual context He was showing me. So it will help to look it up yourself and meditate on it.
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Keep in mind that this is our beginning, our story, but not the beginning of God (who has no beginning) and not the beginning of angels, who already existed with God.
Beginning is only listed in the appendix, because it is assumed that we all know what beginning means. I checked on beginnings to see if there was anything that might be helpful.
Beginnings - 7218- from a root word that means: to shake, as in the head, as in: the part that turns away.
Created - 1254 - To absolutely create; qualified to cut down a wood (a tree).
This is the spiritual sense I received: In the shaking of the part that turned away (satan and those who followed him are the part that turned away), God cut down a tree. (A lofty and proud tree - satan). He cast from His Presence due to rebellion and this created the place where His Presence was, and the other place, where His presence was not. (Heaven and earth).
It may seem I have jumped the gun at this above point, but you will see now that I have not because of the awfulness of this other place.
And the earth was without form and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
without form -8414 - To lie waste, a desolation, a worthless thing, confusion, empty place, waste, nothing, wilderness.
void - 922 - empty, vacuity, an undistinguishable ruin, emptiness, void.
This is the spiritual sense I received: And the earth (the place where He was not), was a desolate, worthless thing of confusion. It was an undistinguishable ruin.
When jonteel asked us what was a place God did not create, most did not understand, but a few had this answer: darkness. Yes, there is a verse where God says, I create the darkness. This creation in the very beginning of Genesis is a negative creation, caused by casting something or someone from His presence. It is not the positive creation of: let there be...
Those people were able to, at least even just dimly, see that hell will also be a negative creation. So it can be said that He created darkness, but in another sense, it can be said He did not. You have to see it spiritually to understand.
If ever there was a place that could be called the outer darkness, this in the beginning of Genesis was that outer darkness. No light, so no three dimensionalness, thus no bodies. It is light that makes three dimensionalness by its' effects on things. Light and shadow create the three dimensionalism. Without them there is the undistinguishableness of "void."
And we know it is awful also because the demons are terrified to be cast there again. They begged to be in the body of a pig before being cast there. They like a human body better but will settle for anything before that place.
And darkness was upon the face of the deep.
darkness - 2822 - misery, destruction, death, ignorance, sorrow, wickedness.
face - 6440 - The face (as the part that turns) against anger + battle.
deep - 8415 - an abyss, deep place.
This is the spiritual sense I received: And misery and wickedness and death were upon the part that turned away( in anger and battle against God) and were in the abyss.
And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
face - 6440 again.
waters - 4325 - water, by euphemism - urine, semen, piss, wasting.
The spiritual sense: And the Spirit of God moved upon the part that turned away - the waste products He calls them.
Here is where it begins to turn around and positive creations behave to take a break so am posting this in case I get kicked offline while I'm gone. Be back very soon.
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