STOP BASHING CHRISTIAN METAL!!

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For those of you who contend that all Christian Contemporary songs are bad, I would encourage you to listen to the following video below and and ask yourself if this song sounds evil to you or not. Ask yourself, does it invoke you to want to do violence or to act aggressive?

[video=youtube;bnUXxl3amY8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnUXxl3amY8[/video]
if music makes a person want to do these things, that is a problem with the person, not the music.
 
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I used to listen to Metallica, and some Megadeath before I was saved. After coming to Christ, I listened to a few Christian metal songs, but I couldn't get into them. For that type of music just didn't make any sense to me anymore. Heavy Metal music leads a person into a violent, angry, and prideful state. Yes, God does get angry at sin. But we are not to get angry or hateful in our worship with God. If you really love Jesus, try giving up the Heavy Metal for 1 year and just listen to real praise and worship music and devote more time in the Bible. Come back to it after 1 year and see how it makes your soul feel then. Personally, it vexes my soul to even hear such music; And I used to love it. Why? Because I used to be different. The old man. But I am now the new man. A new creature in Christ where all things have become new.
So you are the standard now? Because i have the opposite story. Perhaps because it is one way for you doesn't mean you can speak as an authority over everyone else. Typical self righteous attitude of people who don't like something.
 
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So you are the standard now? Because i have the opposite story. Perhaps because it is one way for you doesn't mean you can speak as an authority over everyone else. Typical self righteous attitude of people who don't like something.
First, there is nothing wrong with pointing out evil things. I can say a horror movie that glorifies sex, violence, and blood is evil. Do you watch horror movies? Second, you did not address the violent, agressive, and prideful nature behind Heavy Metal Music. How is that loving, peaceful, and good? Third, Paul said he would rather speak five words with the understanding than five thousand words without the understanding. Fourth, why can't I tell the difference between regular Heavy Metal and Christian Heavy Metal? Fifth, would you play Heavy Metal music at your wedding? How about if you played Heavy Metal at someone's baptism? Doesn't make any sense.
 
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if music makes a person want to do these things, that is a problem with the person, not the music.
No, no. There is a spirit behind a type of music. Don't fool yourself, my friend. Some people have listened to lots and lots of Heavy Metal to the point where they have become desensitized to it's aggressive, and prideful nature. In other words, without any music, let's say there is a guy who just starts shaking violently, screaming, and starts talking gibberish non sense. What if this man started banging things. You would think there was something wrong with the guy. That he was mad. Drunk with a wrong spirit. How is that different than Heavy Metal? Are we not supposed to be new creatures in Christ? Is not the world supposed to tell the difference between us and them in what we do? In other words, if it is music the world would never listen to, then chances are it is not of the world. But if it is a song that they would like because it sounds EXACTLY like the dark aggressive music they listen to, then there is no difference.
 
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Anyways, getting back to my point before. Here is another Christian Contemporary Song that I find to be loving, good, and peaceful. This song makes me want to rejoice in the Lord. I can clearly understand the words. The music is not overtly aggressive or violent or prideful. It is beautiful (even with the use of electric guitars).

Kristian Stanfill - My Reward (Official Lyric Video) - Music Videos
 
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This is annoying... why does everyone bash contemporary christian music??? If the lyrics are glorifying God.. That's all that matters!! Get out of tradition ansd stop putting limits on God!! God can use ANY genre of music to got His message across!! I love Christian Metal.. Becoming the Archetype is my favorite.. Their music puts me in spirit of worship.. Many of thier songs talk about the absolute power of God. How dare you tell ANYONE how to worship God!! That's a control spirit.. and i rebuke that!
Hos 4:6 The lyrics are not the problem. They are the cover-up. It is about the blatant anger in the beat and the tone. It is very angry. Throwing Chrisitian lyrics over the core...the beat and tone is nothing short of the wolf in sheeps clothing. When the tone and beat are angry, it CAN NOT glorify the Lord.
Consider that Lucifer was the angel of music: Don't think for a minute that he doesn't know how to manipulate it to glorify himself.
 
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OH....and how dare anyone tell you how to worship?? Well...the BIBLE tells HOW to worship. And nowhere will you find credence for that type of sound. So rebuke all you want, you are still wrong. (And...BTW...you are not to rebuke, but renounce.)
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Anyways, getting back to my point before. Here is another Christian Contemporary Song that I find to be loving, good, and peaceful. This song makes me want to rejoice in the Lord. I can clearly understand the words. The music is not overtly aggressive or violent or prideful. It is beautiful (even with the use of electric guitars).

Kristian Stanfill - My Reward (Official Lyric Video) - Music Videos
Actually, you're derailing the thread. So getting back to 'YOUR' point is not the point of the thread itself, but you are being such a good Christian by ignoring that and turning it to what YOU want it to be about. But, going by your posts, your point is the only relevant one.
 
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The level of ignorance i see in these kinds of threads, and the amount of biased opinions stated as fact is often depressing. Always done by the people who make the highest claims of spirituality.
 

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If there is not an answer for those that listen to the music of the world be it whatever "type" it is, how can it then therefore find favor with them to lead them from darkness into the light? How can something be evil which leads to light?

Ha'Mashiah came into the world, keeping both the Law of Elohim and the law of the land (man's laws) without transgression of either as long as it did not transgress the first law, the Law of Elohim. He came as one of us, and He was not received...

[video=youtube;lBrMVHQ_eDc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBrMVHQ_eDc[/video]
 

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I'm in the middle of a war... Life is not peaceful, we only find peace in Christ...

I think if some people like heavy metal Christian music, PRAISE GOD!
Do you think when David danced to the Lord it was a slow 2step, or do you think he was jumping with joy...

Your choice of music is not going to send you to hell, not today, not tomorrow, not yesterday...

Btw, if you can't tell the difference between Godly Christian heavy metal and non Godly heavy metal.
That's fine, it's okay... But, don't say all of it's bad... Some people can't tell a Picasso apart from a kindergartners drawing. Doesn't mean Picasso sucks.


Saying this is being a modern Pharisee...

and P.s. I do not like heavy metal music.
 
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Actually, you're derailing the thread. So getting back to 'YOUR' point is not the point of the thread itself, but you are being such a good Christian by ignoring that and turning it to what YOU want it to be about. But, going by your posts, your point is the only relevant one.
No, no. It's not a derail, my friend. It is very much to the point of the topic at hand. See, in the song example I have given, I can understand the lyrics (unlike heavy metal music), there is a peaceful and calm nature to the song (unlike heavy metal that is overtly aggressive), and I can tell the difference between this type of music versus say the world's music (unlike heavy metal music).

In fact, even unbelievers have pointed out Christian Heavy Metal bands and their sinful lifestyles. They know enough of the Bible that it is wrong, too. For example, here is an atheist article pointing out that there is no difference between Regular Heavy Metal and Christian Metal. For both Metal artists do the same sinful things because one Christian Metal Artist had hired someone to kill his wife.

Here is the Atheist Article that talks about that.

Dwindling In Unbelief: Bill Maher: Christian Rock Blows Hard (with Bible verses)
 
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I'm in the middle of a war... Life is not peaceful, we only find peace in Christ...
This statement is a contradiction. You say you can find peace only in Christ. But how is playing music that is not peaceful good to Him if you can only find peace within Him? Can you actually imagine Jesus head banging at a Heavy Metal concert? That's not the Jesus of the Bible. Jesus never convulsed violently, nor did he talk gibberish non sense, and or lead his disciples into an aggressive form of worship and singing.

I think if some people like heavy metal Christian music, PRAISE GOD!
No. It would not be praising God. It would be false praise and worship because God cannot accept a person who is acting aggressive, violent, and prideful. For the fruits of the Spirit are love, joy, peace, etc.

Do you think when David danced to the Lord it was a slow 2step, or do you think he was jumping with joy...
I listen to Christian Contempory music that can be fast paced in joy but it is not aggressive like Heavy Metal. I just hear Metal and know it sounds aggressive and bad. You really haven't listened to Heavy Metal music to know that it is bad.

Your choice of music is not going to send you to hell, not today, not tomorrow, not yesterday...
That is up to the Lord to decide (According to His Word). I think a true believer will be eventually be guided out of this music. If not, then they are more in love with the ways of this world and not truly in love with Christ.

Btw, if you can't tell the difference between Godly Christian heavy metal and non Godly heavy metal.
That's fine, it's okay... But, don't say all of it's bad... Some people can't tell a Picasso apart from a kindergartners drawing. Doesn't mean Picasso sucks.
The Bible talks about how we are holy and separate from the world. That we are new creatures in Christ and all things have become new. The things that you do in the Lord, would naturally repulse the world because it is good.

Saying this is being a modern Pharisee...
You are going to have to actually prove your case with the Word of God for this to be so. I see nowhere in the Bible that acting violently and aggressive in singing to the Lord is a good thing. It is the exact opposite. God's Word tells us to love and to make peace. To turn the other cheek.

and P.s. I do not like heavy metal music.
Ask yourself the reasons why you don't like it. I want you to play it for 24 hours straight. And then write down the reasons why you don't like it.
 
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This statement is a contradiction. You say you can find peace only in Christ. But how is playing music that is not peaceful good to Him if you can only find peace within Him? Can you actually imagine Jesus head banging at a Heavy Metal concert? That's not the Jesus of the Bible. Jesus never convulsed violently, nor did he talk gibberish non sense, and or lead his disciples into an aggressive form of worship and singing.



No. It would not be praising God. It would be false praise and worship because God cannot accept a person who is acting aggressive, violent, and prideful. For the fruits of the Spirit are love, joy, peace, etc.



I listen to Christian Contempory music that can be fast paced in joy but it is not aggressive like Heavy Metal. I just hear Metal and know it sounds aggressive and bad. You really haven't listened to Heavy Metal music to know that it is bad.



That is up to the Lord to decide (According to His Word). I think a true believer will be eventually be guided out of this music. If not, then they are more in love with the ways of this world and not truly in love with Christ.



The Bible talks about how we are holy and separate from the world. That we are new creatures in Christ and all things have become new. The things that you do in the Lord, would naturally repulse the world because it is good.



You are going to have to actually prove your case with the Word of God for this to be so. I see nowhere in the Bible that acting violently and aggressive in singing to the Lord is a good thing. It is the exact opposite. God's Word tells us to love and to make peace. To turn the other cheek.



Ask yourself the reasons why you don't like it. I want you to play it for 24 hours straight. And then write down the reasons why you don't like it.
1 kings 18:27, they were acting very rude in the name of the Lord, and God was happy with them :)

When David danced he was probably trashing around jumping, THE HORROR!

And if you say God cannot accept someone who is violent or aggressive, i feel sorry for the people who are at war right now... Or what about when God wrestled with Jacob, that is a violent sport, poor Jacob... He disobeyed God...
 
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If there is not an answer for those that listen to the music of the world be it whatever "type" it is, how can it then therefore find favor with them to lead them from darkness into the light? How can something be evil which leads to light?

Ha'Mashiah came into the world, keeping both the Law of Elohim and the law of the land (man's laws) without transgression of either as long as it did not transgress the first law, the Law of Elohim. He came as one of us, and He was not received...

[video=youtube;lBrMVHQ_eDc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBrMVHQ_eDc[/video]
Yeah, sorry. Started to listen to this and I couldn't take it anymore. This is just a Satanic version of worshiping Jesus. Not to mention the fact that Jesus does not really look white, or had long hair, etc. He was a Jew (mid tone in skin color). Nobody really knows what Jesus really looked like (facial feature wise). But folks have created idol images of what we think Jesus should look like.
 
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The sounds of heavy metal music is not at all pleasing to God. I used to be a lead singer in a band before I was born again. I played in bars and was well known as the guy who could scream out lyrics. I had a heavy scream but also a melodic voice. The whole time I was screaming out those lyrics I was being influenced by demons. When I became saved the Holy Spirit showed me that those types of music is not pleasing to the Lord. My life began to change, my desire for certain types of music changed, my looks also began to change. I trashed every single hardcore cd. I burned them.

It does not matter if the lyrics talk about God or not. Certain sounds does not please God and jumping around out of control is not a fruit of the Spirit. If Jesus or the holy apostles of old were alive on this earth today I guarantee you they would not listen to it. In fact, they would preach against it.
 

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Yeah, sorry. Started to listen to this and I couldn't take it anymore. This is just a Satanic version of worshiping Jesus. Not to mention the fact that Jesus does not really look white, or had long hair, etc. He was a Jew (mid tone in skin color). Nobody really knows what Jesus really looked like (facial feature wise). But folks have created idol images of what we think Jesus should look like.
You failed to endure... had you done so, you would have been blessed with the second part.
This is why such problems occur in many things. They look at the first and judge by sight.
Back in the day I was one of those that walked on the strip watching people step 10 feet out of the way to avoid/walk around corner preachers shouting about fire and brimstone, and was getting to them where the others could not.

I'm not actually condoning such, but was using this as an example, as there are some "rock" bands such as this who do help to do what we are called to do... ever heard of a band called Petra?

As far as this specific band re-enacting a story from the Word to help get the message across, it does not matter if the person was purple and no hair at all, so the point is mute. What you are attempting to push is a personal preference as opposed to delivering the gospel.

Stop and think as I have just mentioned about the corner preacher... there are some who might not be reached in that fashion.
 

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The lyrics are not the problem. They are the cover-up. It is about the blatant anger in the beat and the tone. It is very angry.
is the Lord never angry?

God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.
(Psalm 7:11)

does the Lord not enjoy music while in His wrath He does violence to His enemies?

And the LORD will cause his majestic voice to be heard and the descending blow of his arm to be seen, in furious anger and a flame of devouring fire, with a cloudburst and storm and hailstones. The Assyrians will be terror-stricken at the voice of the LORD, when he strikes with his rod. And every stroke of the appointed staff that the LORD lays on them will be to the sound of tambourines and lyres. Battling with brandished arm, he will fight with them.
(Isaiah 30:30-32)

what does the war-song of the Lord of Hosts sound like, do you think?
is it a mild, sweet, soothing melody that tickles your ears? or a sound that strikes terror in the hearts of those who would stand against Him?

 
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1 kings 18:27, they were acting very rude in the name of the Lord, and God was happy with them
First, you misquote Scripture. Second, this is what the verse is actually saying:

And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said,

"Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked."
(1 Kings 18:27).​


In other words, Elijah was mocking the priests of Baal to cry louder unto their false god who could not light their sacrifice with fire.

When David danced he was probably trashing around jumping, THE HORROR!
You said the word "probably." Meaning that you don't really know for sure that this is what David did.

And if you say God cannot accept someone who is violent or aggressive, i feel sorry for the people who are at war right now...
Yes, God used to send the Israelites into battle to destroy their enemies. But this is justice being executed and carried out by the Lord. Today, God has not directly spoken to any nation to go to war with anyone. Jesus said he that lives by the sword shall die by the sword. We are to pray for our enemies and to turn the other cheek if we are smitten. I feel sorry for the people at war right now, too. They are not at not at peace and love with God whereby they are engaging in the true war or spiritual battle that is unseen.

But going to war (under the direct orders of God), does not equate with worship. Nowhere do we see God approving of aggressive behavior that is not directly sanctioned by Him to eliminate an enemy. That's not the same thing as worship. God never told us to act aggressive, violent, and prideful in our worship and praise.

Or what about when God wrestled with Jacob, that is a violent sport, poor Jacob... He disobeyed God...
God wrestling with Jacob is not praise and worship. Jacob needed to yield to God's will. God is not going to be having wrestling matches with us in Heaven and or in the Eternal New Earth.
 
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You failed to endure... had you done so, you would have been blessed with the second part.
This is why such problems occur in many things. They look at the first and judge by sight.
Back in the day I was one of those that walked on the strip watching people step 10 feet out of the way to avoid/walk around corner preachers shouting about fire and brimstone, and was getting to them where the others could not.

I'm not actually condoning such, but was using this as an example, as there are some "rock" bands such as this who do help to do what we are called to do... ever heard of a band called Petra?

As far as this specific band re-enacting a story from the Word to help get the message across, it does not matter if the person was purple and no hair at all, so the point is mute. What you are attempting to push is a personal preference as opposed to delivering the gospel.

Stop and think as I have just mentioned about the corner preacher... there are some who might not be reached in that fashion.
I know what's evil just by looking at it. These men are not worshiping the Lord. It's paganistic Christian worship. Sort of like Catholicism. For the Catholic religion was formed by taking pagan religious elements and adding it to elements of Christianity.

You will not lead anyone to be a great person of God with this type of music.