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The love of money is evil. The lust of someone towards another is evil.. I don't see horror movies as being prideful. They only remind us of what happens every day: death and destruction. Which is something we need to remain aware of, IMO.. We learn lessons from EVERYTHING, including *gasp* horror movies and *double gasp* metal music..
Adam and Eve had pride. You know, the whole "pride goeth before the Fall" thing? One who is about to sin is being prideful before God, and horror movies is all about the glorificaton of sin.
 

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I'm not really sure where deception of Eve, then Adam turned into pride as implied by Jason, but therein lies the truth, as it being started out as deception.
 
Jul 22, 2014
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While you may say that, it is actually wrong in the sense if it is used to contradict the 10 Commandments.
There's the guideline... so that invalidates your statement.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to belittle your own personal taste in music, but on the same token, I am defending others' taste in music from my own knowledge and understanding, to which makes neither of us completely wrong or right, but merely stating our opinions on the matter.
Aggressive, violent, prideful, and confusing behavior is wrong no matter how you try to cloak it in something else.

Also, every time I hear folks glorify the 10 Commandments they really do not understand what Galatians chapter 3 says. See verse 24, and 25. Romans 6:15 says we are not under the Law anymore (Meaning the Law of Moses). Besides the New Testament is about love. When we love God and love others, we naturally keep the Law (See Romans 13). Besides, if you really want to obey God, there are actually a thousand plus commands in the New Testament to keep you busy.

https://www.cai.org/bible-studies/1050-new-testament-commands

The Law of Moses is no longer in effect. We obey the New Testament.
 

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The Law of Moses is no longer in effect. We obey the New Testament.
Excuse me?
Yahushua did not come to abolish the law, but to establish it.
The 10 commandments were written by the finger of Yah.
Every single one of the 10 commandments are re-stated in the NT.
Every one of the Appointed Times are re-stated in the NT.

Be very careful of what you lay claim to.
 
Jul 22, 2014
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While you may say that, it is actually wrong in the sense if it is used to contradict the 10 Commandments.
Only 9 out of the 10 Commandments have been repeated in the New Testament. The Sabbath Command had not been re-stressed by our Lord and the apostles after the cross. Jesus nailed those ordinances that were against us. All ceremonial laws and laws of justice have not been repeated in the New Testament, either. In fact, New Commands were given that would be in contradiction of these Commands.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to belittle your own personal taste in music, but on the same token, I am defending others' taste in music from my own knowledge and understanding, to which makes neither of us completely wrong or right, but merely stating our opinions on the matter.
This has nothing to do with personal taste in music. It has to do with you acting like the world in an aggresive, violent, and prideful way. Adding an element of Christianity to wrong behavior does not change wrong behavior. A person can murder and steal in the name of Jesus Christ, but that would be false because we no murder and stealing is wrong. Just as acting aggressively and or violently and by talking gibberish non sense is wrong (convulsing one's body around like they are demon possessed).
 

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Aggressive, violent, prideful, and confusing behavior is wrong no matter how you try to cloak it in something else.

you've still not proven your blanket accusation of "aggressive, violent, prideful, mindless and confusing behavior" being the systemic and unavoidable conclusion of a lute or lyre being amplified through a distortion pedal.

i get confused every time i hear someone speak in Swahili. that is because i do not understand the language. yet if i were to accuse all Swahili speakers of encouraging confusion and mindlessness, because of my own ignorance of their way of speaking, i would be foolish.
 
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Excuse me?
Yahushua did not come to abolish the law, but to establish it.
The 10 commandments were written by the finger of Yah.
Every single one of the 10 commandments are re-stated in the NT.
Every one of the Appointed Times are re-stated in the NT.

Be very careful of what you lay claim to.
Perhaps this article or the many articles here at Grace Community International might help you to understand it a little better.

https://www.gci.org/law/lawmoses
 
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you've still not proven your blanket accusation of "aggressive, violent, prideful, mindless and confusing behavior" being the systemic and unavoidable conclusion of a lute or lyre being amplified through a distortion pedal.
It's not a blanket association. I see wrong aggressive and violent behavior and I know that is wrong. There is no reason for them to be aggresive. They are just acting aggressive so as to mimic the world. I hear confusing words that we cannot clearly hear that Paul condemns. That is not imaginary. I can also see men in Christian Metal bands looking exactly like Metal Satanist bands.

The 10 Most Satanic Metal Bands | OC Weekly

For we are to avoid in having any appearance of evil.

And we are to be holy and separate from those who are of this world.

I believe folks here have become desensitized to this type of music and love it more than they do Jesus Christ. They are unwilling to give up this music for at least 1 year and the things of this world so as to love Jesus Christ and test to see if it is really of God or not.

i get confused every time i hear someone speak in Swahili. that is because i do not understand the language. yet if i were to accuse all Swahili speakers of encouraging confusion and mindlessness, because of my own ignorance of their way of speaking, i would be foolish.
No, a person does not speak their native tongue so as to be confusing. Metal music is deliberately sung in a way that is not clear when they know they could easily sing in a way so as to be heard clearly. Paul says I would rather speak five words with the understanding than five thousand words without the understanding.
 

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Only 9 out of the 10 Commandments have been repeated in the New Testament. The Sabbath Command had not been re-stressed by our Lord and the apostles after the cross. Jesus nailed those ordinances that were against us. All ceremonial laws and laws of justice have not been repeated in the New Testament, either. In fact, New Commands were given that would be in contradiction of these Commands.



This has nothing to do with personal taste in music. It has to do with you acting like the world in an aggresive, violent, and prideful way. Adding an element of Christianity to wrong behavior does not change wrong behavior. A person can murder and steal in the name of Jesus Christ, but that would be false because we no murder and stealing is wrong. Just as acting aggressively and or violently and by talking gibberish non sense is wrong (convulsing one's body around like they are demon possessed).

Ok, let me get this straight, are you actually trying to tell me that when Yahushua said He did not come to destroy the law, but to establish it, and that not one jot or tittle of the law will pass till all be fulfilled, is a LIE?

As for your claim of the Sabbath not being re-stated, I guess you had better go wipe out every mention of sabbath in the NT.

In vain they worship Him, laying aside the commandments of Yah for the tradition and commandments of men!
 
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oh so the lyrics are important after all?
Yeah, like tell that to Gwar. Again, Paul says he would rather speak five words with the understanding than five thousand words without the understanding. This verse alone should condemn Metal music. But you like Metal music so you don't want to hear what Paul is telling you.
 
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Ok, let me get this straight, are you actually trying to tell me that when Yahushua said He did not come to destroy the law, but to establish it, and that not one jot or tittle of the law will pass till all be fulfilled, is a LIE?

As for your claim of the Sabbath not being re-stated, I guess you had better go wipe out every mention of sabbath in the NT.

In vain they worship Him, laying aside the commandments of Yah for the tradition and commandments of men!
Well, this is another topic. But read the articles at the site. It explains all this.
 
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You have no idea about the wrath of God. God takes no pleasure in the destruction of the wicked.
 

Chopper

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Well, this is another topic. But read the articles at the site. It explains all this.
I've already studied this in depth over the 29+ years I have been a believer, aside from being raised in the Church of Christ all my life before that time. ( I'm 48, Do the math.)

Do not take what everyone tells you as truth and go with it that way, but reprove it according to the Word of Yah, and research studies of history itself. You will then understand why seeking Him with a pure heart is it's own reward, and why I do not forget His name for Ba'al.
 
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In other words, what disheartens me is that I have to actually tell Christians what violent and aggressive behavior is like. You should be able to easily recognize good behavior from bad behavior by walking in the Spirit and studying God's Word. God never wants us to act in a confusing way. Under the New Testament, Christ has never desires us to act aggressive and violent in spirit. Christ did not say it was okay to dress up like satanic rock bands.
 
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I've already studied this in depth over the 29+ years I have been a believer, aside from being raised in the Church of Christ all my life before that time. ( I'm 48, Do the math.)

Do not take what everyone tells you as truth and go with it that way, but reprove it according to the Word of Yah, and research studies of history itself. You will then understand why seeking Him with a pure heart is it's own reward, and why I do not forget His name for Ba'al.
It doesn't matter how long you studied. People of false religions study the Bible for a lot longer than that, and still do not understand the Bible. Read the articles at the site. Continue to study.
 

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No, a person does not speak their native tongue so as to be confusing. Metal music is deliberately sung in a way that is not clear when they know they could easily sing in a way so as to be heard clearly.
speaking Swahili to other Swahili speakers is not deliberately speaking in a way that is not clear. it is speaking in a way that people 'of that tongue' can understand it. the sign of speaking in tongues is not to make everyone understand Aramaic - it is that everyone hears the gospel in their own language.

when a man with a talent to play black metal music is called out of the world to become Christ's servant, and he uses his talent to write and perform songs that lift up the name of God and decry wickedness, in a way that his former associates can hear and understand, he is doing exactly that: declaring the gospel to people in their own language.

melodramatically emotional pop solo singing like Amy Grant is not a language that i understand.
esoteric ambient doom metal like Flaskavsae is not a language you understand.
but in both, the gospel is declared and God is praised.

in my ears, i hear the connotation of vanity in the style of Natalie Grant's music.
in your ears, you hear the connotation of vanity in the style of Antestor's music.
both of our sets of ears are judging by mere appearance, and both of us are in error, and both of us should consider the message of the song instead of its tonal and stylistic qualities; both of us should not judge carnally.