Suicide On Demand?

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Roughsoul1991

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A 3D-Printed Assisted Suicide Pod Is Now Legal in Switzerland
It's accessible to those with incurable conditions.
By Ameya Paleja
Dec 06, 2021


Sarco can be towed to a place of choice.

A 3D-printed pod that assists people in suicide has passed the legal review to operate in Switzerland, the makers of the device said in an interview to Swiss Info, a member of the Swiss Broadcasting Corporation. The pod called 'Sarco' that does not use any controlled substances is expected to be operational in 2022.

While illegal in most countries, assisted suicide is legal in a handful of countries including The Netherlands, Germany, Belgium, Luxembourg, Canada, and Switzerland, Business Insider reported. A common requirement in these countries is that the person opting for assisted suicide has a terminal condition that cannot be cured and is causing them suffering.
Close to 1,300 such procedures were performed in Switzerland in 2020 with two organizations currently assisting the process, Swiss Info reported. The method is ingesting sodium pentobarbital, usually used as a sedative. As a controlled substance, the drug needs to be prescribed by a doctor before a psychiatric review is necessary. However, Exit International, the makers of Sarco, want to make the process easier for the individual.

The company wants to use Artificial Intelligence (AI) to assess the mental soundness of the person opting to die by assisted suicide. They would need to complete an online test to demonstrate that they have taken the decision with free will and then get access to the code to access Sarco.
The 3D-printed pod that looks like a coffin can be towed to the location of choice where the individual can then lie down in it. The system then asks the individual a series of questions, which when answered will allow the individual to begin the process with the press of a button.

According to the information provided by the makers of Sarco, the pod then floods the interiors with nitrogen while reducing oxygen to about one percent. The person falls unconscious and dies of hypoxia - oxygen starvation within 30 seconds. The process does not require any injection or ingestion of controlled substances and there is no panic or feeling of choking, the company said.

https://interestingengineering.com/a-3d-printed-assisted-suicide-pod-is-now-legal-in-switzerland


(How do you feel about people with incurable elements within the body having the ability to easily suicide?)

Euthanasia, or assisted suicide, is a practice in which a doctor prescribes a lethal amount of medication to help someone who has chosen to die. People who are terminally ill and experiencing much pain may want to die by euthanasia rather than prolong a painful illness that will kill them.

Switzerland has perhaps the least-regulated laws dealing with euthanasia, as a diagnosis is not required by the physician administering the lethal medication, and there is no age limit. Nevertheless, euthanasia is not allowed if the person advocating for doctor-assisted suicide stands to gain anything, such as an inheritance, from the person’s death.
 
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Supporters of assistive suicide say it is only for people who have an intractable condition that causes horrific suffering. This is a lie. A Dutch woman volunteered to be euthanized because she was depressed; she wasn’t in any physical pain. Read about it here: https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-45117163

People who support euthanasia also claim that it shouldn’t be of any concern because it happens rarely. Yet in that same article it says over 6,000 people have volunteered to kill themselves in the Netherlands. That is an extraordinary number; it’s more than the amount of Americans who have been killed in the War on Terror.

Whenever I compare something to Nazi Germany or Adolf Hitler, there always seems to be someone who says I’m using the Godwin’s Law fallacy. But whatever: I think euthanasia is Hitler-like. Millions of allied soldiers died fighting to get rid of the Nazis, yet it seems like our countries are returning to the National Socialist days with growing support for assisted suicide. Our world is heading off of a cliff.
 

Roughsoul1991

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Supporters of assistive suicide say it is only for people who have an intractable condition that causes horrific suffering. This is a lie. A Dutch woman volunteered to be euthanized because she was depressed; she wasn’t in any physical pain. Read about it here: https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-45117163

People who support euthanasia also claim that it shouldn’t be of any concern because it happens rarely. Yet in that same article it says over 6,000 people have volunteered to kill themselves in the Netherlands. That is an extraordinary number; it’s more than the amount of Americans who have been killed in the War on Terror.

Whenever I compare something to Nazi Germany or Adolf Hitler, there always seems to be someone who says I’m using the Godwin’s Law fallacy. But whatever: I think euthanasia is Hitler-like. Millions of allied soldiers died fighting to get rid of the Nazis, yet it seems like our countries are returning to the National Socialist days with growing support for assisted suicide. Our world is heading off of a cliff.
Instead of being forced they now have convinced 1000s to off themselves with the push of worldviews that promote depression and hopelessness.
 

Lanolin

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i think people with mental illness actually suffer a lot more than people with physical pain.
People with physical pain can take drugs or painkillers or drink alcohol or smoke, but a person thats depressed if they take drugs cant just get out of it (even anti-depressants dont work all the time) and. they need something or someone to live for.

with things like depression one really needs spiritual help. Its truly possible to over come depression with Jesus but many dont believe and want to take the devils route and its suicide (satan makes it easy and attractive)
 

Roughsoul1991

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i think people with mental illness actually suffer a lot more than people with physical pain.
People with physical pain can take drugs or painkillers or drink alcohol or smoke, but a person thats depressed if they take drugs cant just get out of it (even anti-depressants dont work all the time) and. they need something or someone to live for.

with things like depression one really needs spiritual help. Its truly possible to over come depression with Jesus but many dont believe and want to take the devils route and its suicide (satan makes it easy and attractive)
I have to disagree to a degree about mental pain being worse as an individual who deals with chronic pain and mental health, the chronic pain is chronic because I do not have a medication to suppress it or a routine to relieve it. The mental is often caused because of the physical pain.


with things like depression one really needs spiritual help. Its truly possible to over come depression with Jesus but many dont believe and want to take the devils route and its suicide (satan makes it easy and attractive)
I agree to this. Care without healing the soul will in many cases leave people feeling hopeless as the meds do not work and they can not seem to physically shake it.
 

ZNP

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I don't understand why they put it out in the middle of a field, doesn't it need to be plugged in? Also what about those who are so sick they can't walk out there. What if it rains, do you have to tromp through the mud?
:)
 

Roughsoul1991

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I don't understand why they put it out in the middle of a field, doesn't it need to be plugged in? Also what about those who are so sick they can't walk out there. What if it rains, do you have to tromp through the mud?
:)
Idk how it works internally but the article said it could be towed to any location and can be towed away to prepare the body for the funeral.
 

ZNP

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Idk how it works internally but the article said it could be towed to any location and can be towed away to prepare the body for the funeral.
Somehow I doubt that "any location" would be in the middle of a field. I suspect that the marketers of a death machine wanted it to appear as natural as the flowers of the field fading away.
 

Magenta

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I don't understand why they put it out in the middle of a field, doesn't it need to be plugged in? Also what about those who are so sick they can't walk out there. What if it rains, do you have to tromp through the mud? :)
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Roughsoul1991

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Somehow I doubt that "any location" would be in the middle of a field. I suspect that the marketers of a death machine wanted it to appear as natural as the flowers of the field fading away.
Funny thing is, I see that as a good place to pass away. The beauty of a field with a good skyline, possible sun rise or sunset, a nice breeze or incoming thunderstorm.

Sounds nice. But I am a outdoors person and dying in a hospital room is not my ideal choice. But this is me talking and not having to endure organ failure, etc. At that point the hospital may be best ideal place aka medicated place to be.
 
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Oblio

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I wouldn't want to leave my children and grandchildren with the legacy of knowing that I died by my own hand. This has kept me alive...this and knowing that the Lord has brought me back from death twice for a reason. It's just hard being in pain all the time.
 

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i think people with mental illness actually suffer a lot more than people with physical pain.
People with physical pain can take drugs or painkillers or drink alcohol or smoke, but a person thats depressed if they take drugs cant just get out of it (even anti-depressants dont work all the time) and. they need something or someone to live for.

with things like depression one really needs spiritual help. Its truly possible to over come depression with Jesus but many dont believe and want to take the devils route and its suicide (satan makes it easy and attractive)
I concur with your estimation.
 

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Reminds me of Soylent Green which is people.
 
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Oblio

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I had a NDE and met Jesus in the New Jerusalem. I've been ill, in constant pain, and isolated for many years. I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit, along with the gift of tongues. I long ago learned to self-deliver. 3 years ago I body-slammed a familiar spirit of depression.
I am an overcomer. If the Lord gave me the option to die right now, I think I'd take it. But He wants me to live. That is the only reason I want to be here. My desire to leave is not of the devil. I just want this nightmare of a life to end.
 
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Oblio

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I suffered from major depression all of my life until 3 years ago. I'm an expert in depression and physical pain. A healthy spirit is what sustains me. A crushed heart is debilitating. I don't recommend either.
 

Roughsoul1991

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I had a NDE and met Jesus in the New Jerusalem. I've been ill, in constant pain, and isolated for many years. I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit, along with the gift of tongues. I long ago learned to self-deliver. 3 years ago I body-slammed a familiar spirit of depression.
I am an overcomer. If the Lord gave me the option to die right now, I think I'd take it. But He wants me to live. That is the only reason I want to be here. My desire to leave is not of the devil. I just want this nightmare of a life to end.
Interesting. I have heard of NDEs and OBEs and was a skeptic until an interview with Lee Strobel about his book
Lee Strobel
The Case for Heaven: A Journalist Investigates Evidence for Life After Death
The interview was enough to persuade me otherwise. I still want to read his book.
 
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Oblio

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The third time my heart stopped, they couldn't restart it. As the nurse was filling out my time of death, my heart started beating again. I was in a coma while this happened.
When I came out of the coma, I had a clear image in my mind of looking down into the lobby of a travel agency. I don't know how I knew it was a travel agency, I just did.
What a beautiful place! You'd want to go back, too! And He was looking right into my eyes...and He was smiling!
 

Smoke

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Supporters of assistive suicide say it is only for people who have an intractable condition that causes horrific suffering. This is a lie. A Dutch woman volunteered to be euthanized because she was depressed; she wasn’t in any physical pain. Read about it here: https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-45117163

People who support euthanasia also claim that it shouldn’t be of any concern because it happens rarely. Yet in that same article it says over 6,000 people have volunteered to kill themselves in the Netherlands. That is an extraordinary number; it’s more than the amount of Americans who have been killed in the War on Terror.

Whenever I compare something to Nazi Germany or Adolf Hitler, there always seems to be someone who says I’m using the Godwin’s Law fallacy. But whatever: I think euthanasia is Hitler-like. Millions of allied soldiers died fighting to get rid of the Nazis, yet it seems like our countries are returning to the National Socialist days with growing support for assisted suicide. Our world is heading off of a cliff.
That's like saying it's "a lie" to be in favor of abortion only in cases of ectopic pregnancies. No, many people are pro-life, but with the exception of ectopic/tubular pregnancies because it poses a great risk to the mother and the unborn child is not 100% viable (though there have been miracles of ectopic pregnancies coming to fruition).

You can support someone in choosing to die with dignity from a terminal and painful condition, but not be in favor of it when someone is simply "depressed". Depression isn't a terminal condition.
 

Roughsoul1991

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That's like saying it's "a lie" to be in favor of abortion only in cases of ectopic pregnancies. No, many people are pro-life, but with the exception of ectopic/tubular pregnancies because it poses a great risk to the mother and the unborn child is not 100% viable (though there have been miracles of ectopic pregnancies coming to fruition).

You can support someone in choosing to die with dignity from a terminal and painful condition, but not be in favor of it when someone is simply "depressed". Depression isn't a terminal condition.
What do you mean?