Summary of Bible references on the Rapture

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It's THE END TIME |Rapture, Judgement, the Anti-Christ|7 Year Tribulation|My Heaven Visitation|Part2
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I'm only in the first 8 minutes so far but I have three comments.

1. This thought that people have that the Lord cannot return until everyone hears the gospel can easily be disproved. He gives a valid point that only God would know when that is, but the other point is that who is Lord? If I say that the Lord cannot return until everyone hears the gospel and then stick my fingers in my ear yelling "lalalalala..." am I able to prevent the Lord from returning? No, of course not.

2. I am very happy that he begins with the prodigal son. I think that is the one Bible story that has been the most mangled of all of them. The lights really clicked when I heard this one brothers testimony about how he was saved from Crack cocaine. I see this sister in her 20s who was working in child care and missed the message. So I asked her if she had ever done crack cocaine. Of course not, she has grown up in a sanctified home, she is like the other son who always followed the Father. In fact I would say that the vast majority of the congregation were the same. This wasn't a church meeting, it was a gathering of several hundred Gideons, men and women who have given their lives to evangelizing the earth. So why is it that we seem to always want someone who was saved from drugs or from prison as a guest speaker to a congregation who that was not their experience? It is as though these meetings are when the Father is sacrificing the fatted calf and we are all rejoicing that our brother or sister that was dead is now found and is alive. But what about those who have followed the Lord their whole life? The other son says that the Father never sacrificed a calf for him so that he could celebrate with his friends. The father doesn't dispute that. I don't see that as being self righteous. It is a valid question. The father tells him that he is always with Him and all that He has is his. That is our eternal inheritance. The rapture is when God does sacrifice the calf for those who have always been with Him and that is when they can celebrate with their friends. Now what caused the prodigal son to return? He had to hit bottom and for many that will be when they are left behind. The story of the prodigal son tells us that the father is focused on him, well, that tells you that during the tribulation the Father will be focused on those left behind on the earth. This is the strange thing about discipline. When I had to discipline a student in my class it put all my focus on them. I had to write them up, I had to pull them apart and speak to them privately, I had to call their parents, I had to document everything. Teachers don't like to discipline kids because it takes so much of your time. You have around 150 kids. You don't have time to spend 30 minutes on just one kid, and the kids know this.

3. He makes a good point, you can't "debunk" this teaching. One way to prove all things is to prove that the Bible says this, another way is to prove that the Bible doesn't say this. I agree that it is impossible to debunk the idea that the seven year tribulation begins on the Feast of Trumpets. I have tried, Israel has four different days that are the first day of the year. You have a religious calendar, a civil calendar, a school calendar, and a tax calendar. It is very clear that the last seven years is a Shemitah, a week of years and this begins on the Feast of Trumpets. It is also very clear that the last seven years ends on the day of judgment which is the day of atonement. These are separated by ten days, however, on a jubilee year the Feast of Trumpets is the Day of Atonement. So these seven years can begin and end on the Feast of Trumpets. The problem with the rapture is does this take place at the same time? Or does it take place a few weeks earlier? But here is the thing where he is also right, the pre-tribulation rapture (a very poor name for it, it should be called the pre 70th week rapture) must take place prior to the start of these seven years. I can show this from twenty different angles, but let's use the story of the prodigal son since that is what he has begun with. The son sells his inheritance and parties with prostitutes, that is the apostasy that must come first. That is when he departs from the father's house. Then when the money runs out the tribulation comes. Where is the other son? He is not there, he is in the father's house. The purpose of these last seven years is to get everyone, including the Jews to return to the Father. But if you are always with the father you don't need that, you are already with the Father.
 
I am now 30 minutes into the post #15,540 about Joshua and he brings up several really good points I want to highlight.

1. Matthew 24:37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

There was the day that Noah got the blueprint for the ark. This is similar to the day that we got the printed Bible. Then of course there were the days that Noah and his family built the ark, just like we have the days of the church age where the church was built (the Body of Christ, not some cathedral). During that time Noah was a preacher of righteousness. People ask him what he is doing and he says there is a flood coming on man because they are flesh and violence fills the earth, you could say he preached hellfire and brimstone. The coming judgment is part of the gospel. Paul said if there is no resurrection from the dead then we are the most foolish and Jesus would be the biggest fool going through crucifixion. Just as the cross of Christ is part of the gospel so is the coming judgment. But then seven days before the flood Noah enters the ark and God seals the door. God gave Noah and his family a heads up right before it happened. While Noah was building the ark he might not have known the day, but he knew it was approaching. When he started putting all the animals on the ark he had to have known they were very close to the day. When Methuselah died he got his seven day warning. So then if the rapture will be as the days of Noah that would include a heads up warning a few days before the rapture.

2. Luke 17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

We are also told that it would be like the days of Lot. Read the story, Abraham had a heads up a few days beforehand. Lot got a heads up one day beforehand. The only people who are caught clueless are the people destroyed in Sodom and the people destroyed by the flood. Abraham and Lot were not told the day this would happen when Lot first moved to Sodom. Just because Jesus said "no one knows the day or the hour" two thousand years ago doesn't mean that they won't get a heads up a few days before hand.

Revelation 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

This is what the Lord told Sardis. The only way this word doesn't conflict with the Lord's word about no one knowing the day and hour is if no one knew the day at the time of Jesus but later they would know the day.

Then consider the context of "no one knows the day and hour". Yes, it is an idiom for the Feast of Trumpets. But the context that Jesus shared was threefold: no one knows the day and hour that a woman is going to give birth, therefore you must watch; no one knows the day and hour that a thief will rob your business, therefore you must have a night watchman; and no one knows the day and hour that you will reap your field, therefore the farmer must watch to know the best time.

Jesus also gave us the analogy of the Galilean wedding where the groom goes and builds a house for him and his bride. He has two years to complete this task. You can argue that "no one knows, except the Father" when He will come for the bride. But that is incredibly naive statement. For example, nothing prohibited the fiance of the bridegroom to come and visit him, bring him a sandwich and lemonade while he works. You come and all he has is the foundation, you know he isn't coming that night. A month later the house is framed in but no windows, no doors, you know he isn't coming that night. A few months later the roof is done, there are doors and windows, he just finished putting in the carpet, but there is no running water or electricity. You know he isn't coming that night. If you are spending time with the Lord daily then yes, you will see the day approaching. If you are excited about the wedding and focused on it you could talk to your father about what he would expect to see before sending the groom. Now the electricity is turned on, the water is turned on, all the appliances are up and running, the bathroom is working, only there is no furniture. The father is not going to send the groom until there is furniture in the house. But imagine you are there when they are unloading all the furniture. Now you know, it can be any day. Once the house is ready they will turn their attention to the banquet and at that time you are days away. Two years ago the bride didn't know the day, but now she knows it will be this week, just like Noah and just like Abraham and Lot.
 
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Luke 12:35 Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning; 36 And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately. 37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.

Brother Joseph says that the rapture will take place at the time of the peace treaty between Israel and many nations. Most people will use Daniel to prove this, and perhaps refer to the books of Thessalonians as well. However, I think this section in Luke is the most precise. Jesus is likening this peace treaty to a wedding between Israel and the many nations. For some reason many Christians assume this wedding that Jesus is coming from is His wedding. That would make no sense. If we are the bride why would we be servants waiting for the Lord if he is off attending our wedding? Also, isn't the wedding going to be at the Father's house? Why does Jesus return home from the wedding if it is going to be at our home? Also, Jesus gets home at midnight on His wedding day and tells the bride to wait while he makes food and serves his servants? I realized this could not possibly be referring to His wedding, so what is this very significant wedding that will take place the same day as the rapture? A wedding is a legal contract. When this peace treaty is signed between Israel and many nations that will be a legal contract that they are to all live in peace together, that is the wedding.

This is the ultimate rejection of Jesus Christ as their Messiah, they are going to put their trust in the Antichrist kingdom. Prior to the wedding there is a chance to reconcile, to save some, but once that wedding takes place that is the ultimate insult to the Lord and will cause His full indignation to be poured out.

So I do agree with Joseph that the "peace treaty" will in fact take place at the same time as the rapture. Timing is important to let the Jews realize they made a very big mistake.
 
More responses to Post #14,540.

1. All Christians go through tribulation. The early church saw all the apostles martyred (they tried to martyr John but didn't kill him). They fed Christians to the lions. Many Christians have been martyred during the last 2,000 years. So the term "pre-tribulation" rapture is a really bad term. The last seven years of this age is special, it is a time of intense tribulation such as the world has never seen previously. So you can look at all the horrible things the world has seen: famines, cannibalism, plagues, pandemics, nuclear bombs, and holocaust. I think of all those things as a "shot across the bow", we see just enough to realize how bad it is without it becoming universal. We have seen despotic rulers, people who are entertained by watching others suffer (feeding Christians to the Lions). So how can it be worse than that? Well, it can be greater in scale. The human suffering for an individual in the Holocaust may not be less than the suffering during this seven year period, but instead of 11 million people suffering this it could be 110 million. We have seen people who are suffering so bad they just want to die to relieve the suffering. During the tribulation that will be extremely widespread, they want to die and can't.

So then calling the rapture the "pre-tribulation rapture" is a very poor name for it since it implies that those Christians have not gone through tribulation. However, that is a human construct, there is no Bible verse referring to a "pre tribulation rapture". The word is harpazo which means to snatch out of the way of certain death. You would use this word to describe someone being pulled off the railroad tracks right before a speeding train passes by.

2. Let's talk about his mathematical calculations. The Bible is filled with these. The Fig tree prophecy where Jesus said "this generation shall not pass away until all these things be fulfilled". I and many others understand a "generation" passing away refers to 80 year period of time. Now there are two ways to understand 80 years, both are mathematically legitimate. One is a period that is more than 79 years but less than 81 years. Israel was formed in 1948, they turn 80 in 2028 and they turn 81 in 2029. This would indicate that this must take place prior to May 14, 2029, but after May 14, 2028. Because May 14th falls around the time of 2nd Passover my understanding of this is that the two witnesses will be killed at Passover and lie in the streets for 3 1/2 days. Jesus was in the tomb for three days, but that is because after killing him, they then transported him to a tomb. He was killed prior to going to the tomb and so He was dead for more than three days and we could therefore say 3 1/2 days. When the two witnesses are raised on live stream and the whole world sees it, that is when the Jews (some of them) will repent, turn to the Lord and celebrate 2nd Passover based on Jesus' sacrifice and not the blood of bulls and goats. I expect that to be in 2029. 3 1/2 years earlier would be Feast of Trumpets in 2025. The other legitimate way to understand 80 years is that we are calculating in decades, and so that refers to 75 years to 84 years. Beginning when Israel was 75 was when Hamas invaded them October 7, 2023, and they will be 84 in 2032. If the tribulation begins in 2025 it will end in 2032. He gives other calculations as well. What people need to realize is that there are a thousand brothers and sisters who are actively studying this and have concluded that 2025 is the year that this should begin.
 
Lesley Deyton

The Temple Institute: SOUNDING THE SHOFAR ON THE TEMPLE MOUNT!

For the first time in 2,000 years the shofar is being sounded on the Temple Mount. The shofar is the sound of Israel returning to HaShem and the sound of the coming ge'ula (redemption): "And it shall come to pass on that day, that a great shofar shall be sounded, and those lost in the land of Assyria and those exiled in the land of Egypt shall come and they shall prostrate themselves before HaShem on the holy mount in Jerusalem." (Isaiah 27:13) Do not despair! It is happening!
 
Colossians 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. 17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
 
Concluding remarks about Brother Joshua's prophetic speaking

First, I did not hear anything that he said that was unscriptural or contrary to the word of God or to the Lord Jesus Christ or to the Holy Spirit.

Now I am aware that when asked when these things would be referring to the rapture Jesus said no one knows the day and hour, whereas brother Joshua said it was going to be the Feast of Trumpets in 2025. Does that contradict the word of God?

Well first of all Jesus never said we would not know the year, so the reference to the year 2025 is not contrary to the Lord's speaking and he did provide direct prophetic speaking in the Bible that would point to 2025 being the year.

But what about saying that it is the Feast of Trumpets? Two things, first there is direct Biblical evidence to say that it will be on a moedim, an appointed day and that is an appointed day.

Then what about saying which day it is, doesn't that contradict the Lord's word? No. Jesus' word that "no one knows the day or hour" is an idiom for the Feast of Trumpets. It would be like Jesus saying He would return on Turkey day, and brother Joshua saying He would return on Thanksgiving. He even made that abundantly clear that he did not give us a single day but rather a two day period. So then he does not know the day or the hour, only the moedim.

However, he has gone way out on a limb. I think the proper response is not so much to focus on this day but rather to focus on whether or not we are each personally prepared to meet our God.
 

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Consider praying to God for a word of encouragement for people you know.
 
Colossians 4:17 And say to Archippus, Take heed to the ministry which thou hast received in the Lord, that thou fulfil it.
 
Ezekiel 11:12 And ye shall know that I am the Lord: for ye have not walked in my statutes, neither executed my judgments, but have done after the manners of the heathen that are round about you.
 
Ezekiel 12:20 And the cities that are inhabited shall be laid waste, and the land shall be desolate; and ye shall know that I am the Lord.
 
Ezekiel 12:22 Son of man, what is that proverb that ye have in the land of Israel, saying, The days are prolonged, and every vision faileth? 23 Tell them therefore, Thus saith the Lord God; I will make this proverb to cease, and they shall no more use it as a proverb in Israel; but say unto them, The days are at hand, and the effect of every vision. 24 For there shall be no more any vain vision nor flattering divination within the house of Israel.

This is what many people say today and I just love how the Lord flipped this.

In 2022 we moved out of NYC much like Ezekiel did when he moved in Jerusalem. Many people have said that I have been warning for years and nothing happened. However, we were able to sell our house the same week we put it on the market, a few months later we closed and a week after we closed interest rates went up and we would have lost a significant amount of money if we waited just a week longer to sell. One year later what we did from NYC was repeated in Ukraine as Russia attacked them 12 months later.

In the Fall of 2022 I advised people to buy silver. Since that time we have had 20% inflation while silver has doubled in price from $18 to $39 an ounce.

I also started a thread called "the greatest depression" and began journalling news stories about people losing their jobs in layoffs, especially due to AI.'

During all that time there was a lot of vain vision and "flattering divination" of people saying I was a nervous nellie always claiming the sky is falling. They claimed I was overreacting to the pandemic, things would return to normal. They claimed that the war in Ukraine was local and not a big deal. They said I was focused on the negative and not highlighting the positive. But you don't hear that much anymore, it is clear that this war in Ukraine was not local, it now involves NATO and the US, it was clear that the war has spread to the MidEast, it is clear that many other prophetic signs of the end of the age have taken place, and it is clear with the tariffs that we are at war, at least economically, to protect the US dollar from collapse.
 
ZNP said:

Is This the End? | Pastor Jimmy Evans | Victory Church
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Thirty five minutes absolutely packed with the Bible prophecies that have been fulfilled that tell us our redemption draws near.

I'm not sure if any of this is new to this blog, we may have covered every point he mentions, not sure, but I am sure we have not covered it in a 35 minute video so succinctly.
 
MK Ultra is simply a form of mind control.

All witchcraft is about mind control, either they try to manipulate you or intimidate you, but the goal is control.

AI is a further development and extension of that. Some will argue that AI is simply a tool, like a google search. In a google search they keep all the data on file, sell it and use it for manipulating you in one way or another. Yes, Amazon.com does this, Walmart does this, and everyone else who has an agenda does this. However, AI is able to take this data search and storage of data to the next step and figure out how to use that information to manipulate you. AI is the ultimate tool for manipulating people. It is doing research on millions of people, what they think, what they are interested in, what they will believe. Then you combine that knowledge with individualized deep fakes.

 
1 Thessalonians 1:6 And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Ghost. 7 So that ye were ensamples to all that believe in Macedonia and Achaia. 8 For from you sounded out the word of the Lord not only in Macedonia and Achaia, but also in every place your faith to God-ward is spread abroad; so that we need not to speak any thing.

We speak things into being. Take a look at all the people on the internet who are now sounding out the word so that the word of God is spread abroad and so that we don't need to speak anything. These ones are picking up the key points that have touched them and sharing that like a loudspeaker.

9 For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God;

They share their testimonies. Many were involved in idolatry and sinful lifestyle but they share how they turned from that to the living and true God.

10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

This is another key point, yes we can see that the wrath is to come, but we also can see that Jesus Christ delivers us from that wrath, He is the way of salvation.
 

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