sunday worship is it just tradition ?

[Hizikyah]

It's called the law of love, you dupe.

was this man a "dupe" also?

1 Yahchanan (John) 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the llove of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

If you knew Yahweh's Law you would know it is not grevious and keeping it is loving Yahweh and loving your neighbor.

LEVITICUS 19:10-18, "You shall not glean your vineyard, nor shall you gather every grape of your vineyard. You shall leave them for the poor and the stranger; I am Yahweh your Father. You shall not steal, nor deal falsely, nor lie one to another. Do not vow falsely with My Name, and so profane the Name of your Father. I am Yahweh. You shall not defraud your neighbor, nor rob him. Do not hold back the wages of a hired man overnight. Do not curse the deaf or put a stumblingblock in front of the blind; but reverence your Father. I am Yahweh. Do not pervert judgment: You shall not show partiality to the poor, nor honor to the person of the great. In righteousness you shall judge your neighbor fairly. You shall not go about tale-bearing or slandering among your people. Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor's life. I am Yahweh. You shall not hate your neighbor in your heart. Rebuke your brother or your sister frankly, so you will not share in his or her guilt. Do not seek revenge nor bear a grudge against one of your own people; but you shall love your neighbor; whether a brother or an enemy, as yourself. I am Yahweh."

 

[Apostol2013]

All i got to say it is the blood of jesus

 

[danschance]

All i got to say it is the blood of jesus

I second that!

 

[Kerry]

Can you love your neighbor without Christ? why did Jesus or Yeshua die on a cross and be raised from the dead if man could obey law? Why from the foundation of the Earth did God say I will become a man and save them. Knowing that the law could not?

 

[Kerry]

I second that!

And I third it!!!!!!

 

[Hizikyah]

All i got to say it is the blood of jesus

I agree, but we need to listen to what Yahshua says:

Yahchanan 5:14, "Afterward, Yahshua found him in the sacred precincts of The House of Yahweh, and said to him: Behold, you are healed. Sin no more, or a worse thing will come upon you."

Not turn it into a license to sin:

Yahdah (Jude) 1:4, "For there are certain men who have secretly crept in, who were before of old ordained for this condemnation, unholy men, who turn the undeserved pardon of our One Supreme Savior Yahweh into licentiousness, and deny Yahshua our Messiah."

Not you but everybody FIGHTS obedience so hard I end up defending Yahweh's instructions and end up being called "legalistic" because I believe in listening to Yahweh and Yahshua instead of preaching, you have been forgiven, PARTY TIME!

 

[Apostol2013]

But his laws are eternal and my confession i am also a jew by decendency and confessed jesus as my saviour in words and with my whole heart

 

[Hizikyah]

Can you love your neighbor without Christ? why did Jesus or Yeshua die on a cross and be raised from the dead if man could obey law? Why from the foundation of the Earth did God say I will become a man and save them. Knowing that the law could not?

I was never obedient until Yashua's Sacrifice cleansed me, but that didnt happen when I just said some words, it happend when it came from inside. (im talkin about me here nobodyelse) and since that has happened I have become diligent on obedience to Father Yahweh, He has changed me.

ENMITY means oppisition to, most translation add, and its in italics, "that is" completely changes the meaning, but in every version the next verse says what was done away.

Ephesians 2:15-16, "Abolishing the enmity; (the hatred and the opposition, to) the Law, the Commandments, and the Ordinances, through His own flesh, in order to create in Himself one new man from the two; making peace, That would reconcile both in one body to Yahweh through the sacrifice- having killed the enmity through Himself."

Having killed the "oppisition to"

do not kill is not oppisition

do not steal is not oppisition

do not lie is not oppisition

i dont want to argue over this meaning as I have had the change in myself so I know what it means to me, it may mean something different to you, but i know what it means to me.

 

[Hizikyah]

Me - Blue

Legalist said first: the "2 greatest Commandments were OT Laws (thus showing to Yahshua the words LAW/COMMANDMENT were interchangable, only in your mind are they not):"

Now we get down to the principle.
What is in our minds.
To covet, to kill, to commit adultery all who do are guilty of these things IN THE MIND. (Matthew 5)

Legalist said second: "That means if you break any of the Law you have broken one of these 2, if you understood the Law you would know this."

Read Jesus please. I know it, we all know it, He perfected it, He bought us with His life to show it.
- Stop being such a moron. For you discern nothing of the testament written in His blood.

i guess Jesus set you free from righteousness

Yahshua set me free from sin, and that dosent mean i sin and call it not a sin, that means he set me free from being a servant to sin.

heres some "legalism" from the NT from a guy that knew Yahsua but cant discern anything according o you:

1 Yahchanan 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the ftransgression of the Law."

 

[Kerry]

But his laws are eternal and my confession i am also a jew by decendency and confessed jesus as my saviour in words and with my whole heart

Praise God for that. Gods moral law has never passed away. I do not teach law but grace, because man cannot keep law. Only by our faith focused on Christ can we even to attempt to hold to Gods standard. Hold on to the faith my brother. As seed of Abraham we are his children by faith. Abraham had no law nor commandment, but he had this, he believed or had faith in God almighty. Amen and amen. God said and he did, obedience by faith and not my work but by the cross.

 

[Hizikyah]

Abraham had no law nor commandment

Genesis 26:5, "Because Abraham obeyed My voice, and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My Laws."

 

[Kerry]

Genesis 26:5, "Because Abraham obeyed My voice, and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My Laws."

Show me where God gave Abraham a law, Abraham believed God and it was accounted unto him as righteousness. Did he disobey God by sleeping with Hagar? Though by faith Abraham did tithe. Many think that the tithe is law it is not it is by faith. He obeyed the word of God by faith. Law did not come till 400 years later by Moses.

 

[Hizikyah]

Show me where God gave Abraham a law, Abraham believed God and it was accounted unto him as righteousness. Did he disobey God by sleeping with Hagar? Though by faith Abraham did tithe. Many think that the tithe is law it is not it is by faith. He obeyed the word of God by faith. Law did not come till 400 years later by Moses.

For one genesis 26:5 says what it say, so I cant argue with it, its Scripture, in every Bible every manuscript. i posted a single Scripture, I did not add my words to that post. Im just saying?

Second even Noah had to have some laws, or how would he know what was clean or unclean to take into the arc?

Genesis 7:1-2, "Then Yahweh said to Noah: Come into the ark, you and all your household, for I have seen you righteous before Me in this generation. You shall take with you seven pairs of every clean animal, a male and his female; two of animals that are unclean, a male and his female;"

 

[Hizikyah]

New International Version
because Abraham obeyed me and did everything I required of him, keeping my commands, my decrees and my instructions."

New Living Translation
I will do this because Abraham listened to me and obeyed all my requirements, commands, decrees, and instructions."

English Standard Version
because Abraham obeyed my voice and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.”

New American Standard Bible
because Abraham obeyed Me and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes and My laws."

King James Bible
Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
because Abraham listened to My voice and kept My mandate, My commands, My statutes, and My instructions."

International Standard Version
I'm going to do this because Abraham did what I told him to do. He kept my instructions, commands, statutes, and laws."

NET Bible
All this will come to pass because Abraham obeyed me and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws."

GOD'S WORD® Translation
I will bless you because Abraham obeyed me and completed the duties, commands, laws, and instructions I gave him."

Jubilee Bible 2000
because Abraham hearkened unto my voice and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

King James 2000 Bible
Because Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

American King James Version
Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

American Standard Version
Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Because Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my precepts and commandments, and observed my ceremonies and laws.

Darby Bible Translation
because that Abraham hearkened to my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

English Revised Version
because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Webster's Bible Translation
Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

World English Bible
because Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my requirements, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws."

Young's Literal Translation
because that Abraham hath hearkened to My voice, and keepeth My charge, My commands, My statutes, and My laws.'

 

[Kerry]

What law, only what He told abraham to do and by faith Abraham did. He told Abraham to leave his family and the land of the Chaldeans to a place that He would show him. Abraham just started walking, God did not tell him which way, He just said leave and he did by faith.

 

[Hizikyah]

What law, only what He told abraham to do and by faith Abraham did. He told Abraham to leave his family and the land of the Chaldeans to a place that He would show him. Abraham just started walking, God did not tell him which way, He just said leave and he did by faith.

Genesis 26:5 says waht it says, certianly all that happened was not recorded in writing.

 

[RickShafer]

was this man a "dupe" also?

1 Yahchanan (John) 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws.(Commandments) For this is the llove of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

If you knew Yahweh's Law you would know it is not grevious and keeping it is loving Yahweh and loving your neighbor.(If I knew? You are the one who doesn't discern the blood of Jesus Christ)

LEVITICUS 19:10-18, "You shall not glean your vineyard, nor shall you gather every grape of your vineyard. You shall leave them for the poor and the stranger; I am Yahweh your Father. You shall not steal, nor deal falsely, nor lie one to another. Do not vow falsely with My Name, and so profane the Name of your Father. I am Yahweh. You shall not defraud your neighbor, nor rob him. Do not hold back the wages of a hired man overnight. Do not curse the deaf or put a stumblingblock in front of the blind; but reverence your Father. I am Yahweh. Do not pervert judgment: You shall not show partiality to the poor, nor honor to the person of the great. In righteousness you shall judge your neighbor fairly. You shall not go about tale-bearing or slandering among your people. Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor's life. I am Yahweh. You shall not hate your neighbor in your heart. Rebuke your brother or your sister frankly, so you will not share in his or her guilt. Do not seek revenge nor bear a grudge against one of your own people; but you shall love your neighbor; whether a brother or an enemy, as yourself. I am Yahweh."

Now, why do you think He commanded them to leave the gleanings?
They left the corners of their pastures for the indigent. Why? Because we are all in that category spiritually.
- "For none are righteous, but all have come short of the glory of God".

 

[Hizikyah]

Now, why do you think He commanded them do leave the gleanings?
They left the corners of their pastures for the indigent. Why? Because we are all in that category spiritually.
- "For none are righteous, but all have come short of the glory of God".

If I honor this instruction of Yahweh is that not loving toward my fellow human?

Its just him explaing how to love each other, if left to ones imagination they may be evil and call it love.

Certianly eithout the blood of Yahshua we would all be doomed, but there is no justification for willing disobeience, I want to be thankful to Yahweh and yashua not trample them underfoot. Do you guys not see that?

 

[RickShafer]

i guess Jesus set you free from righteousness

Yahshua set me free from sin, and that dosent mean i sin and call it not a sin, that means he set me free from being a servant to sin.

heres some "legalism" from the NT from a guy that knew Yahsua but cant discern anything according o you:

1 Yahchanan 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the ftransgression of the Law."

Here is some more: "He who says he has no sin deceives himself"
- You are a total and complete legalist, you seek your redemption through the law.
- In this you err as greatly as the pharisees.

 

[Hizikyah]

Here is some more: "He who says he has no sin deceives himself"
- You are a total and complete legalist, you seek your redemption through the law.
- In this you err as greatly as the pharisees.

How did you get that from this:

Originally Posted by Hizikyah
i guess Jesus set you free from righteousness

Yahshua set me free from sin, and that dosent mean i sin and call it not a sin, that means he set me free from being a servant to sin.

heres some "legalism" from the NT from a guy that knew Yahsua but cant discern anything according o you:

1 Yahchanan 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the ftransgression of the Law."

Show me 1 post where i said i never sin

show me 1 post where i said Law justifies me

seems you are bearing false witness.