Sunday Worship?

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The Sabbath command was never, not once, repeated in the NT. Not even by Jesus when asked, what must I do?
The sabbath was very much in the new Testament. Heb 4.
Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
Heb 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

Paul is using the sabbath rest to illustrate the rest we can have in Jesus.

But nothing is said to say the sabbath rest is replaced or removed.

Jas 2:10-12
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

James is clear, that if you break one law you break all of The LAW.

The sabbath is part of that law mentioned.

Mat 12:12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

This was written after Jesus died... and Jesus understood what was going to happen. If the sabbath was made void why make the point that it is lawful to do good on the sabbath.
And why would Jesus talk about the Sabbath, in the following verse if it was made void?
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
 
The Sabbath command was never, not once, repeated in the NT. Not even by Jesus when asked, what must I do?
Does that mean that we are NT Christians.

Does that mean, If it isn't in the NT we can say it is not valid?

You can't seperate the old testament from Jesus.
Joh 5:38-39
38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not. 39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

In the day of Jesus there was no NT.

They are all inspired. Both old and New

If the old testament tells us to Remember the sabbath why should I forget today?
 
I did not say it was not mentioned. I said it was never repeated as a
commandment, and not even by Jesus when asked, what must I do?
There were a lot of things that Jesus did not mention, but what He did say is important...

Mat 19:16-21
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Keep the commandments
The commandments Jesus quotes from are the 10 commandments.
Jesus did not say some or only 6 or 9. It is well understood that it was the 10 commandments.


18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

Jesus knew the one that he was failing on.
Coveting. Love for self more then love for God.

21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

If we were in the same place we may have things that we fail in too. The point is that we need to be willing to give up this world and follow Jesus.

To follow Jesus we need to keep the commandments like Him. If we make mistakes we can be forgiven, but we can't purposely sin and follow Jesus.

The law above is the 10 commandments and Jesus said to keep the commandments.
 
Problem is, you cannot keep the Sabbath as was commanded, no matter how hard you try or how much
you want to believe you do, or us to believe that you can. It is impossible. The seventh day rest pointed
forward to the rest from works for salvation we find in Christ. It is the simplicity of the gospel message
that seems to elude many who want to hearken back to ancient times and ways as if we were still there.


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Jesus is my Sabbath rest.
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Does that mean that we are NT Christians.

Does that mean, If it isn't in the NT we can say it is not valid?

You can't seperate the old testament from Jesus.
Joh 5:38-39
38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not. 39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

In the day of Jesus there was no NT.

They are all inspired. Both old and New

If the old testament tells us to Remember the sabbath why should I forget today?

I find that Paul and Christ used the Sabbath as a day to do God's work. It was a mission day. In Hebrews, which I personally account to Paul as the writer. I read don't forsake the gathering. I don't find that it was done on Saturday.

As Paul said I become all things to all men that I may win some. He as a practice would enter the synagogue and preach. As that was where the lost that had received the oracles of God where. Christ had already warned that in the synagogue they would be persecuted.

So I can't personally connect the dots that Saturday was the day to worship as the scriptures point out it was a mission day. Which it is still a good day to use as a mission day since the world has Saturday off. However, I am of the belief that each must purpose in their own heart and then live in peace with their concise.
 
The OT is inspired, and when the OT tells us to obey God we should obey unless the law has been removed.

There is no place in the NT that removes the 10 commandments.

The laws that were shadows of what Jesus would accomplish and a schoolmaster to bring people to Jesus were removed as explained but people use these verse to remove the 10 commanents or what ever part of the OT they do not like.
Problem is, you cannot keep the Sabbath as was commanded, no matter how hard you try
We can do nothing good.
But with Christ..... Phi 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

The law of the Pharisees is not the law of God.

Jesus did not keep the sabbath according to man. But He did obey according to God or the law of God.

God would not ask us to do the impossible, plus it is a gift from God which is a delight when you keep it.

It isn't a burden.
 
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So I can't personally connect the dots that Saturday was the day to worship as the scriptures point out it was a mission day.
It is our mission to tell the world about Jesus, the mission of spreading the gospel is a delight, we love Jesus and what He did, as a result we tell everyone we can.
The mission is part of worship.

You don’t go to church to recieve a blessing but to be a blessing. Everyone's mission will result in worship and if we have a day set aside (no destactions) we can worship and evengalise and praise God all the more.

The seventh day is Saturday and that is the day that God sanctified and made holy.

God said REMEMBER the sabbath day to keep it holy.

You can forget it and follow the pagan tradition of Sunday worship but I love God and delight in the law of God.
I don't claim to be perfect but I can say it has been a blessing.

Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

Psa 1:1-2
1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly,... 2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

Psa 40:8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.
 
What is the reason for the 10 commandment law being made void?


All of the law of the first covenant was replaced by a new covenant and it's new law. Some old laws are in the new law like anything regarding morality (don't murder or steal etc). Ceremonial laws like the Sabbath and anything related to sin sacrifices etc were fulfilled and are not brought into the new covenant law.
 
Ever wonder why Jesus was clear that He and The Father are one.

Jesus gave the 10 commandments.


No, he didn't.

Joh_15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Jesus' commandments are verbally given and existed when he spoke of them but his Father's commandments came from the first covenant, written first in stone, then many many more by the priests of God.
 
Saturday, Sunday sabbath argument is silly we are to worship regardless of the day and everyday as follows:

Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. John 4:23

Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John14:6

The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life. John 6:63

If you really think God wants you to go stand with believers and decievers on a Saturday or Sunday and clap your hands and sing songs and drink wine/juice and eat waffers you really need get yourself head first in the words and works of Jesus Christ.
 
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If you really think God wants you to go stand with believers and decievers on a Saturday or Sunday and clap your hands and sing songs and drink wine/juice and eat waffers you really need get yourself head first in the words and works of Jesus Christ.


So all churches should be abolished?
 
You can forget it and follow the pagan tradition of Sunday worship but I love God and delight in the law of God.
I don't claim to be perfect but I can say it has been a blessing.

In any type of analysis of ones mindset isn't the first thing that is deducted that if someone says a statement like they are not perfect it is false humility. As they truly believe the opposite. Isn't your whole declaration here of your righteousness and how you are the better man?

That is the problem with the law and why we could for one never keep it. As we will think more highly of ourselves than we ought. That is why the Pharisees were given to us for example and why Christ said your righteousness must exceed theirs if we are to see the kingdom.

Their righteousness was based upon their own interpretation of the law and keeping it. Which Christ pointed out they did not even understand the law. That is the problem we are always gonna find we keep the law righteously because every man is right in his own eyes.

No man can serve two masters. We have to either serve the law in every aspect or serve the Spirit. If we try and do both then we are reminded a double minded man is unstable in all his ways and he can expect nothing.

The law is predicated on what you can't do where the Spirit is predicated on what you can do. The law emphasizes don't as the Spirit emphasizes do. Why we are reminded when we walk in the fruit of the Spirit against such there is no law.

Our righteousness according to God is either by our keeping of the law fully in every way and understanding the law to keep it fully. Which only Christ did. So our righteousness is either of the law or of the Spirit. To which we have to serve one master.

However, again it was not me that said this or points out the difference. As that was the purpose of the law to be ones righteousness.

Deut 6:24-25 And the LORD commanded us to do all these statutes, to fear the LORD our God, for our good always, that he might preserve us alive, as it is at this day. 25And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

No man can serve two masters either we have to serve the whole law and be righteous by it or serve Christ and be righteous by him.
 
I did not say it was not mentioned. I said it was never repeated as a
commandment, and not even by Jesus when asked, what must I do?
Why would He have to repeat the center of what every Jew knew was the day of worship? If any one of them rejected or set it aside, they knew what God had written with His own finger was being broken, that is a given.
 
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Now lets see where Sunday worship came from, and history gives us a clue in this descriptions I came across..

"On March 7, 321, Roman Emperor Constantine I decreed that dies Solis Invicti (‘sun-day,’ or Day of Sol Invictus, Roman God of the Sun) would be the Roman day of rest throughout the Roman Empire...

Though Sol Invictus (meaning ‘The unconquered Sun’) was indeed a pagan Roman God, and had been featured on Roman coins, Constantine coopted this pagan heritage along with the Judeo-Christian following of the 10 Commandments by granting a day to honor God and rest for man. As the Roman Empire gradually converted to Christianity, Sunday became the natural day for the Sabbath and rest since Romans were already accustomed to Sunday as their day off." March 7, 321: How Sunday Became the Christian Day of Rest - History and Headlines

"The early Romans initially adopted the earlier Greek Hellenistic religion that incorporated the worship of many deities, including Apollo and Helios—the sun god, who was known to the Romans as Sol. As time passed, Sol eventually took on the combined attributes of Apollo, Helios and Mithra. The early Roman Emperors promoted the rising cult of Sol Invictus with the addition of numerous new temples, statues, rites and festivals created in Sol's name. Like earlier solar deities, Sol's tasks included steering the sun-chariot across the sky each day, a reminder that this cult was a blending of monotheism and earlier paganism.

By promoting the cult and the consolidation of divine power into Sol, Roman emperors were able to please the military and also enhance their own power by identifying Sol as the source of imperial legitimacy; in some cases the emperors were able to promote themselves as the personification of Solon earth.

Constantine in the early 4th century advanced the pagan cult of Sol Invictus to the height of its popularity. Among his efforts was the minting of this special coin dedicated to Sol. Constantine also built his famous Arch in Rome, inscribed with several references to Sol Invictus, and positioned it carefully to align with the colossal 100' bronze statue of Sol that adjoined the Coliseum at the time. The rising popularity Christianity in Rome's rural areas was a factor in Constantine’s later adoption of Christianity as the Empire's official religious—a transition arguably made easier by the preceding, well accepted ideas embodied in and popularized by the cult of Sol Invictus." ..Biblical Artifacts Ancient Coins and Artifacts from the Holy Land

"Sol Invictus played a prominent role in the Mithraic mysteries and was portrayed as being equated with, allied with, or an epithet of Mithras, although the relationship between the public cults themselves is controversial. The New Testament scholar Helmut Koester, in his book, Introduction to the New Testament, says “Although Mithras appeared to be the most oriental god among the new deities, and although his cult was essentially celebrated in exclusive mystery associations—the Mithras cult was a “mystery religion” in the strict sense of the word—this god was received by the Romans without resistance, and at the end of the 3d century CE, as Sol Invictus he became the official god of the Roman state.” ..The Dying-and-Rising Gods: Sol Invictus

The text of Constantine's Sunday Law of 321 A.D.:
First Sunday Law enacted by Emperor Constantine -
March, 321 A.D.

On the venerable Day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits; because it often happens that another day is not so suitable for grain-sowing or for vine-planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost. (Given the 7th day of March, Crispus and Constantine being consuls each of them for the second time [A.D. 321].)
Source: Codex Justinianus, lib. 3, tit. 12, 3; trans. in Philip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, Vol. 3 (5th ed.; New York: Scribner, 1902), p. 380, note 1. ...Was The Seven-Day Weekly Cycle Created By Man?

The early believers kept Saturday as the Sabbath until March 7, 321 CE when Constantine passed his law requiring believers to worship on Sunday, the day the pagans worshiped the sun-god, Sol Invictus. Believers continued to keep Saturday as the Sabbath but gradually were swept aside as the day of the sun took root in the empire, and we see the start of serious oppression for the day of worship, and many believers began to be persecuted by the Roman Catholic Church for keeping the Sabbath.

Rome had been the center of many of the pagan festivals and cults, and it was held that Mithras was born on what we now call Christmas day, and his followers celebrated the spring equinox. The Sol Invictus, associated with Mithras, was one the main pagan cult the church faced and rather than reject it let it come into the church with its sun worship. The Cybele cult also flourished in Rome on today's Vatican Hill. They held that Cybele's lover Attis, was born of a virgin, died and was reborn annually. This spring festival began as a day of blood on Black Friday, rising to a crescendo after three days, in rejoicing over the resurrection. There was violent conflict on Vatican Hill in the early days of Christianity between the Jesus worshipers and pagans who quarreled over whose God was the true, and whose the imitation. Christianity came to an accommodation with the pagan Spring festival and used it to bring in unconverted pagans.

History clearly shows how the Pagan worship of Sol Invictus and festivals got into the early church and it was never sanctioned by scripture or given by Christ and the Apostles.

Transition from Pagan to Christian

'This legislation by Constantine probably bore no relation to Christianity; it appears, on the contrary, that the emperor, in his capacity of Pontifex Maximus, was only adding the day of the Sun, the worship of which was then firmly [p. 123] established in the Roman Empire, to the other ferial days of the sacred calendar…
[p. 270] What began, however, as a pagan ordinance, ended as a Christian regulation; and a long series of imperial decrees, during the fourth, fifth, and sixth centuries, enjoined with increasing stringency abstinence from labor on Sunday.' - Source: Hutton Webster, Rest Days, pp. 122, 123, 270. Copyright 1916 by The Macmillan Company, New York.

'The Church made a sacred day of Sunday largely because it was the weekly festival of the sun; for it was a definite Christian policy to take over the pagan festivals endeared to the people by tradition, and to give them a Christian significance.' Source: Arthur Weigall, The Paganism in Our Christianity, p. 145. Copyright 1928 by G. p. Putnams Sons, New York. ...Sunday Worship
 
And this is most damning from the apostate church of Rome..

In A Doctrinal Catechism, Q. Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?
A. Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her. She could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.
–Rev. Stephen Keenan, (1851), p. 174.

In An Abridgment of the Christian Doctrine,
Q. How prove you that the church hath power to command feasts and holy days?
A. By the very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, which Protestants allow of; and therefore they fondly contradict themselves, by keeping Sunday strictly, and breaking most other feasts commanded by the same church.

Q. How prove you that?
A. Because by keeping Sunday, they (sunday keeping Protestants) acknowledge the church’s power to ordain feasts, and to command them under sin; and by not keeping the rest [of the feasts] by her commanded, they again deny, in fact, the same power.
–Rev. Henry Tuberville, D.D. (R.C.), (1833), page 58.

Protestants ... accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change... But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that ... in observing Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the Church, the pope.

Now, since the scriptures are clear that no other day was made as the day of worship except the seventh day as the Sabbath, and the Commandments show this with unblinking clarity to Christians. If they are fully aware that Sunday worship is not ordained by God or anywhere in the Bible or given by Christ or the apostles, and with full knowledge continue to transgress what is shown to them from scripture, will God wink at it, lets look at scripture......

Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

It shows that God allows for mankinds ignorance, but we have Christians who are aware of the history of Sunday worship. Sunday was the established day of festival, a pagan day to the gods in the pagan world. Later, when these pagans professed Christianity, they gradually brought the practice of the pagan festivals on Sunday with them into the church, and the bishops looked the other way as long as they had 'converts' to show they were more influential or had more numbers than other bishops.

Now from scripture we see the people of the Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, including Jesus Christ Himself, observed the Sabbath. No where in the Bible, including after Christ's resurrection, will you find people observing the first day of the week, Sunday, as a replacement for the Sabbath.

So if Christians, knowing that Sunday is not the Sabbath, and knowing the Commandments show what is transgression or iniquity/sin, and clearly show what day is the Sabbath, continue to transgress what God commands, what will happen to them when Christ comes...
 
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The Saturday people won't acknowledge that the real Sabbath rest is Jesus.

They're putting a day, the shadow of the sabbath rest, over Jesus.

This is idolatry and why I won't have anything to do with those people. If they ignore the Holy Spirit on this truth, it means they ignore Him on other important matters about Lord Jesus.

It is Jesus who must be first in everything, including the Sabbath. He is Lord of the Sabbath and our true sabbath rest.


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The Saturday people won't acknowledge that the real Sabbath rest is Jesus.

They're putting a day, the shadow of the sabbath rest, over Jesus.

This is idolatry and why I won't have anything to do with those people. If they ignore the Holy Spirit on this truth, it means they ignore Him on other important matters about Lord Jesus.

It is Jesus who must be first in everything, including the Sabbath. He is Lord of the Sabbath and our true sabbath rest.


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The Apostle John stated clearly The One who came to earth as a man, Jesus the Christ, created every thing.
Thus, Christ was the one that rested from His work on the 7th Day making Him LORD of the 7th Day.

God's plan for man is 7000 years long, 7 is God's number for spiritual perfection.

6 is the number of man, man has been given 6000 years to live and suffer with sin,

the seventh 1000 year day is the Sabbath of Rest from sin promised at the beginning.

John has stated "sin is the Transgress of the Law" which can only be the Torah.

God's prophets wrote during the 1000 years, when the KING of Kings is on earth ruling with The Rod of Iron, the whole earth will be ruled under the Torah and the entire population of the earth will keep the 7th Day Sabbath and the Seven Holy Feasts of God. and if they do not they will be punished.

Christ foretold it would be the MANY that will be deceived by the message that HE, Jesus Christ is THE Christ.

I can not understand how 45,000 flavors of so called christianity can not be what Christ was pointing to.

45,000 is -- total absolute confusion.

God is ONE -- not 45,000
 
The Apostle John stated clearly The One who came to earth as a man, Jesus the Christ, created every thing.
Thus, Christ was the one that rested from His work on the 7th Day making Him LORD of the 7th Day.

What happened to Gen. 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image?

Thus, it seems you have translate the actual Bible into a Sabbatarian display of 'I know better than the author of Genesis'

No need to review anything else if you already erred so badly
 
If only people would have the dedication to actually follow Christ with the enthusiasm they have for a day of the week while ignoring the rest of the law.

The shallow adherence to worshipping a day rather than the One who actually does give rest, would be funny if it were not so sad