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such common-good-Spiritual=sense...
PS.119:89. - LAMED. For ever, O LORD, Thy Word is settled in heaven.
119:151 - Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth.
1JOHN 2:4. - He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
PS.119 is the longest Psalm in the Bible - and we will notice that it has a word
starting in vs.1, ALEPH, and the we notice that right before vs.9, we see the letter BETH -
and then in front of vs.17, we see the word GIMEL....this is referred to as the Hebrew Alphabet Psalm,
in other words it is the (ABC'S) of understanding scripture, each letter has a meaning.
the meaning of LAMED is, to learn...the basic principle is that our Father in heaven's Word is Eternal Truth,
as Paul says, 'The Law is Spiritual=Eternal=Holy=Just=and Good.'
as it is written,
'I Am The Lord, I change not.....' and again, Jesus Christ, The Same, yesterday, today, and forever.'
and again,
'In the beginning was The Word, and The Word was with God, and The Word was God.'
and again,
'All Thy Commandments are Truth'.
for it is written,
'I Am The Way, The Truth, and The Life'.
may we all find Life in our Love and Obedience to His Word. -
JOHN 14:15. -If you Love Me, keep My Commandments.
On dozens of occasions in the past when threads on obedience or the law used lawfully have been hjacted to discussing grace only with nor responsibility vs obedience to Jesus Christ I have indeed posted scripture supporting what I have had to contribute.
When I have done this there was not one who responded to my quotes of the Word. I do not mind for it is better I share a few words with understanding than the entire Bible with none.
Perhaps one day, I too will post a long cut and paste response to people's arguments, but this is nowhere as convincing as passing on the Word as understood by the Holy Spirit, for without the Holy Spirit the written word kills..
If I , then, do indeed understand what I am sharing from the Word by means of the Holy Spirit, it is the same as quoting, perhaps much better. I believe this is true with any family in Yeshuia.
I know that Christ teaches teh law (ccording to what He teaches) will be while there is a sun and a moon. I know that the reward is to those who keep the commandments of God and the witness of the Lamb of God. I know that we were once children of disobedience, but we are now children of obedience by our new nature.
I know that those who teach against the least of the laws will be leasst in Heaven.
I know that I am completely in the Holy Spirit when I understand we are to obey the la still, according to the teachings of Jesus Christ and according to His example, for we are to walk in His steps.
I know no one of my brethren will ever be condemned for teaching against a law, but he will be reminded of it by his existence in the Kingdom to come.
I know that faith without works is no faith ata all, and faith leads us to grace. Therefore if our faith is no faith at all, we most likely are not living in grace.
I know we have no need to fear the law because we, having the gift of faith fromt he Father, do live in grace.
I know there is no teaching against obedience of God in the Holy Scriptures, but there is much teaching against disobedience, it is likened to idolatry by our Father while stubborness islikened to witch craft.
Please do not teach anything against the law when it is lawfully applied, for breaking the law is sin, and to teach others to sin is definitely another sin.
We who beieve live in grace, and each one has a grip on the truth that our lov e is not the flesh but the spiritual.
There is nothing in this post that you cannot understand from reading the Word.
May Jesus Christ bless all who are in Jesus Christ, and especially those who truly seek the truth, for they will find Him, amen.
When I have done this there was not one who responded to my quotes of the Word. I do not mind for it is better I share a few words with understanding than the entire Bible with none.
Perhaps one day, I too will post a long cut and paste response to people's arguments, but this is nowhere as convincing as passing on the Word as understood by the Holy Spirit, for without the Holy Spirit the written word kills..
If I , then, do indeed understand what I am sharing from the Word by means of the Holy Spirit, it is the same as quoting, perhaps much better. I believe this is true with any family in Yeshuia.
I know that Christ teaches teh law (ccording to what He teaches) will be while there is a sun and a moon. I know that the reward is to those who keep the commandments of God and the witness of the Lamb of God. I know that we were once children of disobedience, but we are now children of obedience by our new nature.
I know that those who teach against the least of the laws will be leasst in Heaven.
I know that I am completely in the Holy Spirit when I understand we are to obey the la still, according to the teachings of Jesus Christ and according to His example, for we are to walk in His steps.
I know no one of my brethren will ever be condemned for teaching against a law, but he will be reminded of it by his existence in the Kingdom to come.
I know that faith without works is no faith ata all, and faith leads us to grace. Therefore if our faith is no faith at all, we most likely are not living in grace.
I know we have no need to fear the law because we, having the gift of faith fromt he Father, do live in grace.
I know there is no teaching against obedience of God in the Holy Scriptures, but there is much teaching against disobedience, it is likened to idolatry by our Father while stubborness islikened to witch craft.
Please do not teach anything against the law when it is lawfully applied, for breaking the law is sin, and to teach others to sin is definitely another sin.
We who beieve live in grace, and each one has a grip on the truth that our lov e is not the flesh but the spiritual.
There is nothing in this post that you cannot understand from reading the Word.
May Jesus Christ bless all who are in Jesus Christ, and especially those who truly seek the truth, for they will find Him, amen.
J
jaybird88
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sorry J as i am one of those guilty of taking the thread off topic. please remember that my mind is like a small child sometimes and easily distracted.
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such common-good-Spiritual=sense...
PS.119:89. - LAMED. For ever, O LORD, Thy Word is settled in heaven.
119:151 - Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth.
1JOHN 2:4. - He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
PS.119 is the longest Psalm in the Bible - and we will notice that it has a word
starting in vs.1, ALEPH, and the we notice that right before vs.9, we see the letter BETH -
and then in front of vs.17, we see the word GIMEL....this is referred to as the Hebrew Alphabet Psalm,
in other words it is the (ABC'S) of understanding scripture, each letter has a meaning.
the meaning of LAMED is, to learn...the basic principle is that our Father in heaven's Word is Eternal Truth,
as Paul says, 'The Law is Spiritual=Eternal=Holy=Just=and Good.'
as it is written,
'I Am The Lord, I change not.....' and again, Jesus Christ, The Same, yesterday, today, and forever.'
and again,
'In the beginning was The Word, and The Word was with God, and The Word was God.'
and again,
'All Thy Commandments are Truth'.
for it is written,
'I Am The Way, The Truth, and The Life'.
may we all find Life in our Love and Obedience to His Word. -
JOHN 14:15. -If you Love Me, keep My Commandments.
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JaumeJ,
dennis and I tried to give you a 'rep' , but were unable to.....
'thank-you for your ability to understand the scriptures...
and we very much thank you for sharing your love of your Saviour and for your discernment!
especially when you give your whole heart into sharing your wisdom! ....
your friends,
d&j
Who said anything about allowing or not allowing. I am just suggesting you would be more credible if you could support your assertions with Scripture. Or are we just supposed to believe what you say because you say it?
Well, if your Bible has a copyright affixed then you should know without a doubt who the author of the work contained therein is.
Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth. [See: 1 Cor 13:7]
Whenever I have shared Jesus Christ on the road, in the mountains, in Israel, or any other country I happened to be in, the Holy Spirit did guide my words. I was given what to say at each time given me to serve.
I know this happens to all who believe Jesus Christ, for He has not left us alone.
Again, as is written, the written code kills, but the Holy Spirit gives life.
If anyone is looking for some kind of printed credentials or the approval of other men rathat than seeking Jesus Christ, I am afraid that person is not truly prepared to believe Jesus Christ is God, and our only Salvation.
I know how to cut and paste lots, andhave done this when led to do so, but I should not have to give chapter and verse for anythig when sharing with the family in Yeshua. It should not always be necessary.
I do not mind anyone using scripture when they deem it necessary, but all who have read and understand the words of Jesus Christ usually will agree on His teachings. That is if He is their final Authority on the given subject.
I know this happens to all who believe Jesus Christ, for He has not left us alone.
Again, as is written, the written code kills, but the Holy Spirit gives life.
If anyone is looking for some kind of printed credentials or the approval of other men rathat than seeking Jesus Christ, I am afraid that person is not truly prepared to believe Jesus Christ is God, and our only Salvation.
I know how to cut and paste lots, andhave done this when led to do so, but I should not have to give chapter and verse for anythig when sharing with the family in Yeshua. It should not always be necessary.
I do not mind anyone using scripture when they deem it necessary, but all who have read and understand the words of Jesus Christ usually will agree on His teachings. That is if He is their final Authority on the given subject.
Actually, there is one occasion when I was on my Pony Express route in the Rockies driving my truck, when I pass what I though was a guy hitch-hiking. I had it mind to stop for the person, but someone else did before I had the opportunity.
Driving further along on my route, the Holy Spirit came upon me directing me to stop and wait for the car that picked up the hitch-hker because the hitch-hiker's destination was a road called Beaver Road, a hairpin turn back from the highway I was on.
I stopped in a pull-off area, and the car with the hitch-hiker came and stopped in front of me. The hitch-hiker got out, and I summed with my hand. It turns out it was a young lady. As I signaled her to come and get in the truck, she shook her head no, but walked to the truck and got in. I said to her, "You are going to Beaver Road, correct?" Still in kind of a trance she nodded yes. All the while both of us were under the influence of the Holy Spirit. I asked her, "Do you know how I knew you were going to Beaver Road?" She nodded, no, and dI said, "God told me."
I was also given something to tell her about reading the Word, which is not significant for any other than for her. Then, when I got to the turnoff for Beaver Road, I stopped, she just sat there, and I said, "Ok, you may go now."
All of this was as normal as could be, until afterwards when, as is with all of our Father's miracles, we realize something miraculous has ocurred. God is so good.
If the Holy Spirit is not directing anyone in this forum, he should hold on to what he hears until he understands, otherwise hw will suffer contention.
No one who believes Jesus Christ is alone, I know because Jesus promised the Comforter, amen.
Driving further along on my route, the Holy Spirit came upon me directing me to stop and wait for the car that picked up the hitch-hker because the hitch-hiker's destination was a road called Beaver Road, a hairpin turn back from the highway I was on.
I stopped in a pull-off area, and the car with the hitch-hiker came and stopped in front of me. The hitch-hiker got out, and I summed with my hand. It turns out it was a young lady. As I signaled her to come and get in the truck, she shook her head no, but walked to the truck and got in. I said to her, "You are going to Beaver Road, correct?" Still in kind of a trance she nodded yes. All the while both of us were under the influence of the Holy Spirit. I asked her, "Do you know how I knew you were going to Beaver Road?" She nodded, no, and dI said, "God told me."
I was also given something to tell her about reading the Word, which is not significant for any other than for her. Then, when I got to the turnoff for Beaver Road, I stopped, she just sat there, and I said, "Ok, you may go now."
All of this was as normal as could be, until afterwards when, as is with all of our Father's miracles, we realize something miraculous has ocurred. God is so good.
If the Holy Spirit is not directing anyone in this forum, he should hold on to what he hears until he understands, otherwise hw will suffer contention.
No one who believes Jesus Christ is alone, I know because Jesus promised the Comforter, amen.
IMO the false-grace believers have turned their definition of grace into law, in effect replacing law with their grace, i.e., anti-nomian (instead of law). Obedience becomes believing that version of grace (in which there are no commandments) rather than obeying GOD's voice. That's why they call people who say salvation depends upon doing GOD's will self-righteous legalists and other disparaging terms, not realizing that grace provides the ability and means to do GOD's will.
I have suspected this also of several.
The least other brethren could make an effort to do is to allow those who believe we are to be children of obedience to share this understanding since being obedient tot he Father in any way we understand can only be right in the sight of God as long as it is done with a good conscience in His sight.
I know that teaching against obedience is wrong.
The least other brethren could make an effort to do is to allow those who believe we are to be children of obedience to share this understanding since being obedient tot he Father in any way we understand can only be right in the sight of God as long as it is done with a good conscience in His sight.
I know that teaching against obedience is wrong.
This reminds me of a time I picked up a hitchhiker. My rule was not to, but as I passed this guy I looked into his eyes and knew (traffic was crawling do to construction). So I stopped. Long story short, he was trying to get his life together and was headed to some kind of Christian monastery or something. I took him to the doorstep. The most memorable thing about the trip and a while afterwards was how bad his feet stank. It was so bad that the smell remained in my truck for the longest time afterwards.
IMO the false-grace believers have turned their definition of grace into law, in effect replacing law with their grace, i.e., anti-nomian (instead of law). Obedience becomes believing that version of grace (in which there are no commandments) rather than obeying GOD's voice. That's why they call people who say salvation depends upon doing GOD's will self-righteous legalists and other disparaging terms, not realizing that grace provides the ability and means to do GOD's will.This is just another common false accusation from those that do not know what grace believers are saying. No grace believer says "don't obey God". That is just complete falsehood as usual and its really not worth the bother to deal with them because of their deceitfulness that is often said by those that continue to make these false accusations. It's ungodly behavior and shows their immaturity and malice combined with their usual slander. We need to grow up in the Lord.
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Some folks come in talking about grace only acusing any who wish to be children of obedience of being legalists. kThe moment good works is brought up they proceed to say this is earning salvation, not true, and they may as well be teaching against obedience because they are telling those who choose to obey out of gratitude that they are trying to earn salvation. I cannot earn what isalready paid for by Christ, but I sure will not be disobedient because some false grace only says I am trying to earn something.
This is calling th eteaching of theWord a lie.
This is calling th eteaching of theWord a lie.
Originally Posted by HeRoseFromTheDead
This is just another common false accusation from those that do not know what grace believers are saying. No grace believer says "don't obey God". That is just complete falsehood as usual and its really not worth the bother to deal with them because of their deceitfulness that is often said by those that continue to make these false accusations. It's ungodly behavior and shows their immaturity and malice combined with their usual slander. We need to grow up in the Lord.
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Mitspa
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Friend you have no understanding of the NT teaching on the difference between the "letter" and the "Spirit" ...from this post
Amen..we are saved by grace through faith in Christ only. His life in us creates a desire to walk in His life which is why we need to grow in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ.
We need to know what He has already done for us in His finished work and then we see who we are because we are in Christ - we become like Him - like it says in 2 Cor 3:17-18 - The Spirit of the Lord transforms us as we behold Christ as in a mirror - we see ourselves reflected in His face. We have a new creation in Christ - the inner man/spirit that is created in righteousness and holiness.
As we see that - we walk outwardly what is already in us in Christ. There are no works involved at all for self-righteousness/holiness. Just His life being manifested in and through us to a hurt and dying world and to our brethren.
Ephesians 2:8-10 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
[SUP]9 [/SUP] not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
My brethren in Jesus Christ understand each other and they understand me, and if they do not they do ot chide one another without speaking to the one in question first.
Thank you for your spirited notice. It is duly noted.
Thank you for your spirited notice. It is duly noted.