Talking against the law is dangerous

[john832]

[SUP]37 [/SUP]Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’[SUP][d][/SUP] [SUP]38 [/SUP]This is the first and great commandment. [SUP]39 [/SUP]And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’[SUP][e][/SUP] [SUP]40 [/SUP]On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

Can you explain what this means?

All of the Laws are supported by these two. These two are the overal summary of the Ten. The Ten are the overall summary of the statutes and judgments.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No doubt!! Just mention the law of God in a positive format, with high regard, and saying it is good for believers today, then look at what happens. The conversation tears apart the Word of God rather than edifying one another and putting it all together. I am convinced that those who want the law changed, or want it to vanish into the past, are truly scared of it. If God is love in the OT, He is also love in the NT. If He is graceful in the OT, why cannot some see that His law is not against His own grace?

lol.

How is the law, which can only condemn. Good for believers today?

How can it help you do the fruit of the spirit?? (How many times have you been asked this but refuse to answer?)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

do not think i have come to judge or preach i have come to proclaim the truth

or better yet.

I have not come to judge, I came to save that which was lost (namely you and I)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

All of the Laws are supported by these two. These two are the overal summary of the Ten. The Ten are the overall summary of the statutes and judgments.

Well it says ALL, and there are many more than ten. Jesus even gave us new ones, and I would say they are included in this also, as well as the ten he gave moses in stone.

So, If all of the law and commands are supported in this. Why do we need the law? Why do we need more than these two?

 

[john832]

Well it says ALL, and there are many more than ten. Jesus even gave us new ones, and I would say they are included in this also, as well as the ten he gave moses in stone.

So, If all of the law and commands are supported in this. Why do we need the law? Why do we need more than these two?

To know what sin is...

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

To know what sin is...

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

So a person who came to Christ does not already know what sin is? How could he ever come to Christ then? He would not even know he was a sinner.

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Yep.

And of course, the law Paul thought would give him an in, Condemned him, Because he saw how poorly he kept it,

Again I ask. Does a child of God have to be told what sin is, Don;t they already know. and that is WHY they came to God in the first place?

 

[john832]

So a person who came to Christ does not already know what sin is? How could he ever come to Christ then? He would not even know he was a sinner.

Yeah a couple of lightweights said they needed the Law to tell them what sin was. Perhaps you could consult with them...

Paul:

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

John:

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Yep.

And of course, the law Paul thought would give him an in, Condemned him, Because he saw how poorly he kept it,

Again I ask. Does a child of God have to be told what sin is, Don;t they already know. and that is WHY they came to God in the first place?

Apparently John and Paul did. I have no choice but to believe what they say!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yeah a couple of lightweights said they needed the Law to tell them what sin was. Perhaps you could consult with them...

Paul:

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

John:

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.






Apparently John and Paul did. I have no choice but to believe what they say!

1. Paul spoke in past tense.
2. Your telling me Saul (before he became paul) dd not know coveting was a sin?? ok.. Thats good to know what you understand about people.
3. Yes Sin is a transgression of the law. The same law God wrote in our hearts. So we, even as the enemy of God, understood that those who commit sin are rightly condemned for doing them. But not only do them, but bless others who do them right along with us (romans 1)

 

[john832]

1. Paul spoke in past tense.
2. Your telling me Saul (before he became paul) dd not know coveting was a sin?? ok.. Thats good to know what you understand about people.

No, PAUL IS TELLING YOU.

3. Yes Sin is a transgression of the law. The same law God wrote in our hearts. So we, even as the enemy of God, understood that those who commit sin are rightly condemned for doing them. But not only do them, but bless others who do them right along with us (romans 1)

Writing the Law in our hearts does not do away with the Law and yes we still need the Law to tell us what sin is. Determining sin is not our prerogative, that is God's. What we can do is choose whether to live a life of sin or a life of repentance and forgiveness.

 

[Zinzerio]

On the contrary.

if people truly knew the letter, they would not continually want to go back to it. Because all it could do is condemn them.

(you are only condemned if you have sinned if you feel conviction that is a good).

People who want to go to it do not understand it, They could not. Because all it could do is judge them.

The law judges them, Not us..

(If Gods want to reveal something to you he will and he will so reveal to others. whether others don't mind to be judged by the farther. others wont because they don't want or are not ready to throw away the old and into the new. but one day that is inevitable).

if you do not feel judged by the law, and totally inadequate, then the law is not doing its job.

Correct

 

[just-me]

And now because if these verses, some in here have questioned Paul's motives, and sincerity. Mercy sakes.

Acts 24:10-14 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Then Paul, after that the governor had beckoned unto him to speak, answered, Forasmuch as I know that thou hast been of many years a judge unto this nation, I do the more cheerfully answer for myself:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Because that thou mayest understand, that there are yet but twelve days since I went up to Jerusalem for to worship.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And they neither found me in the temple disputing with any man, neither raising up the people, neither in the synagogues, nor in the city:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

 

[just-me]

E G I am saddened that the law is nothing more to you than condemnation. I exhort you, in love, to reckon with this process.
Remember what we talked about concerning being "subject to the law?"

James 4:7-10 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

You have already done verse 9 for too long. It's time to move out, and let God move you up. You know He will, and He is good to His word.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

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No, PAUL IS TELLING YOU.

Paul did not have to tell me, I already knew. You did not know this?

Also. Paul was speaking about himself

Writing the Law in our hearts does not do away with the Law and yes we still need the Law to tell us what sin is. Determining sin is not our prerogative, that is God's. What we can do is choose whether to live a life of sin or a life of repentance and forgiveness.

Again, If you do not know what sin is, You have more problems than anyone in this room. And you definitely have not yet Found God.

10. Only ten.. If you have not figured what those ten are yet. Your in deep trouble.,

 

[chubbena]

do not think i have come to judge or preach i have come to proclaim the truth

That's bold, my brother. Wish I had that.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

(you are only condemned if you have sinned if you feel conviction that is a good).

So if I sin today and feel conviction. I am condemned today? How??

(If Gods want to reveal something to you he will and he will so reveal to others. whether others don't mind to be judged by the farther. others wont because they don't want or are not ready to throw away the old and into the new. but one day that is inevitable).

The law has been revealed to everyone, Romans 1 makes this clear. No one has an excuse/.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

E G I am saddened that the law is nothing more to you than condemnation.

why is that?

the condemnation which came from the law brought me to Christ, and saved my eternal soul. Why would anyone feel sorry for this?

I exhort you, in love, to reckon with this process.
Remember what we talked about concerning being "subject to the law?"

James 4:7-10 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

You have already done verse 9 for too long. It's time to move out, and let God move you up. You know He will, and He is good to His word.

He has moved me up. Because I have left the law which condemned me, and could give me no hope, And found the spirit of Joy which gives me peace.

I am saddened you do not understand this. I am not saying this in a mocking way, I truly am saddened.

 

[just-me]

That's bold, my brother. Wish I had that.

I've seen that in you. Don't sell yourself short. All glory to God through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ! Let Him speak through you by His infallible Word.

 

[chubbena]

All of the Laws are supported by these two. These two are the overal summary of the Ten. The Ten are the overall summary of the statutes and judgments.

Or rather, as Yeshua said previously in the Word and says now in the Spirit, they hang onto the two. without such two all laws fall apart - the same message then, the same message now.

 

[Zinzerio]

I will admit that i can not do it alone but i will not admit that the farther can help[ to do it,

It is written in scripture that the farther can make you as white as snow and as you know the farther does not lie, This is not rocket science this is niether something you need to research this is something very simple and not something you should lose your mind.
If the sprit is with thee because you have asked the farther with all your heart to help you keep the commandment the between you and the farther you can do it , yes no ?

As for the two commandments you spoke about as i have already stated they are in the old testament too when jesus spoke these word he did not say here is a new commandment do not follow my old ones, he said if you love me you will keep my commandment, thats it God bless

oops missed words i will not admit that the farther can help[ to do it, should read i will admit that the farther can help[ to do it,

 

[chubbena]

I've seen that in you. Don't sell yourself short. All glory to God through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ! Let Him speak through you by His infallible Word.

I take lessons from examples in OT and I fear.
The young prophet, Josiah and Jeremiah - they were His spokespersons.
The young prophet listened to the old prophet, supposedly his teammate, without consulting the Lord he ended up dead.
Josiah did not listen to the king of Egypt, because he considered him the enemy, without consulting the Lord he ended up dead.
Jeremiah listened to other prophets, waited on the Lord for the truth and survived.
I settle for being just another believer to listen from all sides for now but so far the small voice is loud and clear.