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The 1 John 1:9 Lie: More New.Modern.Hyper Grace blasphemy
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KennethC
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that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus,
(Act 3:20)
Of course though, I take this to refer to the Promised Kingdom ruled by their King
This passage refers to both as we need to continue everyday to be refreshed/cleansed by the Lord, washed with by His word.
Because if we lose heart and not continue in the faith, which includes sound doctrine, then when the Lord returns to restore all things we will not be among those who are redeemed at His return !!!
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FreeNChrist
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KennethC
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Yes another passage where it speaks on those of the world will not accept what Lord our God says, and thus will be devoured or destroyed with the rest of the world for not heeding to following what He said !!!
Yep...context is king.. ..all those 'reprove" words are in Timothy and Titus..these are for leaders in the Body of Christ to do....church discipline.....
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KennethC
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Do forget the one's from Jesus, or how about the other epistles of Paul ???
The reproving or rebuking is not just for leader in the Body of Christ, it is for any member that has reached maturity in the faith. It is not for the weak who still have not learned to acknowledge and deal with their own sinful behaviors.
Jesus never once said that was only for leaders, He only said learn to take care of the plank (sinful behaviors) in our own lives then we will see clearly how to deal with splinter (sins) in others lives.
You keep saying context is king or important but you have been caught using the wrong context the past few days, and even going as far as using the wrong Greek usage for a word. Yet you continued with what man has said to you instead of how God's word actually shows the proper usage.
"Lifted up" can easily be seen as the wrong usage when the next few verses say they are gathered cast into the fire and burned. Nobody who is cast into the lake of fire is lifted up !!!
Are you really this obtuse? If I said, "If you jump off a cliff, you will probably get killed." Are you so sensitive that you would think that I was telling you to jump off a cliff.
News flash, you, (KEN) are not the center of the world, in that every time someone uses the general term "you" it means "Ken." You would worry a lot less what you feel people are thinking about "you" if you only knew how seldom they do.
Does that include correction???
And have you forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons? "My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, nor be weary when reproved by him. For the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and chastises every son whom he receives." It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline? If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons. Besides this, we have had earthly fathers who disciplined us and we respected them. Shall we not much more be subject to the Father of spirits and live? For they disciplined us for a short time as it seemed best to them, but he disciplines us for our good, that we may share his holiness. For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant, but later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.
(Heb 12:5-11)
Look it up...you will yourself see that it used by Paul in Timothy and Titus in giving them as leaders instruction..here is the greek word...[FONT="Gentium" !important][I]elenchō...
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Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary, The - The Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary – Delta-Epsilon.
[QUOTE="KennethC, post: 2448977"]Do forget the one's from Jesus, or how about the other epistles of Paul ???
The reproving or rebuking is not just for leader in the Body of Christ, it is for any member that has reached maturity in the faith. !!![/QUOTE]
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Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary, The - The Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary – Delta-Epsilon.
[QUOTE="KennethC, post: 2448977"]Do forget the one's from Jesus, or how about the other epistles of Paul ???
The reproving or rebuking is not just for leader in the Body of Christ, it is for any member that has reached maturity in the faith. !!![/QUOTE]
It is interesting to think of the two witnesses as being the Holy Spirit of God and the Word of God (do you mean Scripture, or Jesus?) Especially since in Rev 11 they are killed, and lay dead for three and a half days. Are those the same two witnesses to whom you refer?If you knew who those 2 witnesses are, then you would agree that all God's anointed saints have those 2 witnesses in them. But because it is not given for all to understand the mysteries of the Kingdom, you are left in the dark as to meaning of what I said.
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KennethC
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I never said I was the center of the world, nor do I believe I am.......
You are using a deflecting tactic now instead of admitting what you did, and as just a remember when you are responding to a certain person and you use "YOU" it no longer is in the general term sense. It means you are placing that directly on that person.
If you want to use a general term and not have it look as though you are speaking to that person then you should say things like: if a person, for example, those who do things like this, and such for example.......
Saying "You" when responding to a specific person no longer makes it general !!!
Hopefully those leaders are led by the Holy Spirit in rubking correcting etc..
Yes, that is exactly what I said. And it is still exactly what I meant, written just exactly the way I intended to write it. What's your problem?
Here is a great grace-based t teaching on correction..
Biblical Correction – Old vs New
My three-year old son is a regular Michelangelo.
The other day he drew a purple-crayon masterpiece on the walls of his bedroom. Needless to say, I was furious. I told him he was a vandal and a crook and I belted him within an inch of his life. Then I said if he did it again I’d kick him out of the family.
Of course I did no such thing!
And yet this sort of ridiculous over-the-top reaction is exactly how some Christians imagine their loving Father responds when they sin. They say things like, “God convicted me, then he chastised me with scourging (see Hebrews). He’s so loving to do that. I know he’s just making sure I don’t get removed from the Lamb’s book of life.”
This kind of talk makes me nauseous. But I understand where it comes from. I understand that many folk imagine God to be more like Elijah than Jesus.
What you look through determines what you see. Read the Bible through the fractured lens of the human wisdom and you will think the secret to life is doing right and avoiding wrong. You’ll go to God with an attitude of, “Just tell me what to do and I’ll do it.” But you are eating from the wrong tree. You are trusting in your own understanding when God would rather you trust in him.
Eat from the life-giving tree
Life is not about doing right and avoiding wrong. Nor is it about sinning versus non-sinning. That’s carnal Christianity and it’s a language your Father doesn’t speak. The issue isn’t good vs evil but life vs death. And this issue is most clearly seen when we’re dealing with sin.
How does God respond when you sin?
In my last post I said the Holy Spirit never convicts us of our sins. Instead, the Holy Spirit brings about a life-saving correction.
You can click below to see the rest of the article...
Biblical Correction – Old vs New – Escape to Reality
Biblical Correction – Old vs New
My three-year old son is a regular Michelangelo.
The other day he drew a purple-crayon masterpiece on the walls of his bedroom. Needless to say, I was furious. I told him he was a vandal and a crook and I belted him within an inch of his life. Then I said if he did it again I’d kick him out of the family.
Of course I did no such thing!
And yet this sort of ridiculous over-the-top reaction is exactly how some Christians imagine their loving Father responds when they sin. They say things like, “God convicted me, then he chastised me with scourging (see Hebrews). He’s so loving to do that. I know he’s just making sure I don’t get removed from the Lamb’s book of life.”
This kind of talk makes me nauseous. But I understand where it comes from. I understand that many folk imagine God to be more like Elijah than Jesus.
What you look through determines what you see. Read the Bible through the fractured lens of the human wisdom and you will think the secret to life is doing right and avoiding wrong. You’ll go to God with an attitude of, “Just tell me what to do and I’ll do it.” But you are eating from the wrong tree. You are trusting in your own understanding when God would rather you trust in him.
Eat from the life-giving tree
Life is not about doing right and avoiding wrong. Nor is it about sinning versus non-sinning. That’s carnal Christianity and it’s a language your Father doesn’t speak. The issue isn’t good vs evil but life vs death. And this issue is most clearly seen when we’re dealing with sin.
How does God respond when you sin?
In my last post I said the Holy Spirit never convicts us of our sins. Instead, the Holy Spirit brings about a life-saving correction.
You can click below to see the rest of the article...
Biblical Correction – Old vs New – Escape to Reality
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KennethC
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I have looked it up and did studies on it and it is not just for leaders, and 1 Corinthians 5 gives an example of this as Paul gives the congregation, not just its leaders to shun out members who refuse to give up sinful ways.
You want a doctrine it seems that has no place for responsibility, but taking responsibility for our own actions as well as helping others take responsibility for theirs is mentioned all over the Word of God.....
Reproving and rebuking is for all members in the Body of Christ who have reached maturity in the faith, not just leaders.
We are all called to share the full Word of God with others, and help them to walk properly in the faith.
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FreeNChrist
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Of course. He doesn't beat me up for falling. He picks me up and sets me on the correct course.
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KennethC
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This is why you have the blind leading the blind, because some take and think just because one is in a leadership or minister role they always give the truth.
Yet satan has his false ministers as well that will mimic and draw people away from the Truth !!!
I should have said: when I confessed Jesus as Lord and believed God raised him from the dead, I received remission of sins that are past. Past - to arise or come before, happened before A. of sins committed previously - but you knew exactly what I meant.
Amen...and then there is time for the "delivering over to satan for the destruction of the flesh"....I only see that in scripture happening one time...by Paul in Corinth....maybe it is used by the Holy Spirit ( thru the leaders ) for special cases?..