The 144,000

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but ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven,

and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, and to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, ( new song ) and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things ( Jesus words are the new lyrics ) than that of Abel. See that ye refuse not him that speaketh….
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭12:22-25‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion,( in the heavenly Jerusalem remember John entered heaven in chapter 4)

and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: and they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.”( spirits of just men made perfect )
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭14:1-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

a revelation isn’t linear what we’re seeing here is meant to be layed on top of this like another layer

“And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; and hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; ( Daniel 7) saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.”( Matthew 28:18-20)
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭5:8-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

You can see how the new song is the New Testament that expanded from isreel to all nations

“And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. ( ot)

After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; and cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. ( nt Christian’s of all nations now included in heavens kingdom )

And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭7:4, 9-11, 13-17‬ ‭

ado tou see a group of only Israelites of the twelve tribes allowed to learn the song but then you see angels and all of heaven all creation singing this new song about the lamb who the 144000 were already following it says

revelation , Daniel , Ezekiel , zechariah , Isaiah and Jeremiah and the book of Hebrews also offer many glimpses into the kingdom Jesus was preaching about in the gospel at Gods throne in heaven rhat heavenly Jerusalem we tend to hear about but sometimes misplace in thought that Abraham was looking at from a distance and we are invited to through Jesus








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The 144,000
There is a lot of confusion about who these are but there is really no need to be confused. Revelation 7 and 14 make it perfectly clear that these are saved Hebrews from the twelve tribes of Israel -- 12,000 from each tribe. God shows us that they are distinct from the Church. And it would appear that they are a microcosm of redeemed and restored Israel on earth after the Second Coming of Christ. The big difference is that they are raptured to Heaven, whereas the twelve tribes will be settled on earth in Greater Israel. So no one should confuse the Church and Israel (after the salvation of those from the twelve tribes).
 
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There is a lot of confusion about who these are but there is really no need to be confused. Revelation 7 and 14 make it perfectly clear that these are saved Hebrews from the twelve tribes of Israel -- 12,000 from each tribe. God shows us that they are distinct from the Church. And it would appear that they are a microcosm of redeemed and restored Israel on earth after the Second Coming of Christ. The big difference is that they are raptured to Heaven, whereas the twelve tribes will be settled on earth in Greater Israel. So no one should confuse the Church and Israel (after the salvation of those from the twelve tribes).

“So no one should confuse the Church and Israel (after the salvation of those from the twelve tribes).”

The gospel is the salvation of both Jew and gentile brother the messiah is the savior of Jew and gentile Jews are all of one of the tribes israel is the twelve tribes Paul eas of the tribe of Benjamin all the church in the Bible were of the tribes the idea is one salvation is for all

“And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth. ( the savior and salvstion of Israel in the gospel was later extended to all the earth after he was rejected and crucified by them )

Thus saith the LORD, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the LORD that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee. Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭49:6-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I think brother you should link all salvation to one name the tribes ofnisrael were promised a new covenant by God beforehand and then gentiles we’re included into that covenant later offering salvstion it begins here

“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:1, 14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

First he came to israel ( the twelve tribes all the children of Jacob )
this is what the Old Testament faithful looked forward to the new covenant the messiah would teach them when he came that was going to save them from curse of the old covenant bekng broken Jesus preached it first to the tribes all Israel and inviting them into his kingdom then he said after he died

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Then after he rose he said

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.( he’s king of all creation israel and gentile )

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And the gospel must first be published among all nations.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭13:10‬ ‭

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This is why you see the gentile people of all nations people suddenly appear at the throne singing e new song where only israel was allowed beofre in the ot brother this part is the New Testament being sent to all people to include them in Israel’s covenant of salvation

“And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; and cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭7:4, 9-10, 13-17‬ ‭

Thats Israel’s covenant remember ? Now all people are receiving it before it was this

“And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, ( this is in heaven see Hebrews 12 )and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭14:1, 4-5‬ ‭

mount sion where jesus is

“but ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭12:22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:13, 16‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 
The gospel is the salvation of both Jew and gentile brother the messiah is the savior of Jew and gentile Jews are all of one of the tribes israel is the twelve tribes Paul eas of the tribe of Benjamin all the church in the Bible were of the tribes the idea is one salvation is for all
Yes, Christ is the Savior of all -- Jews and Gentiles. Presently He makes no distinction within the Church (one Body). But after the Rapture of the Church, God will deal directly with the Jews as a distinct entity. So the present is not to be confused with the future. See Romans 11 and all the prophecies regarding redeemed and restored Israel and Jerusalem on earth.

But you seem to be confusing Gentiles with Jews, although with God there is no such confusion (see Revelation 7). Those who belong to the twelve tribes will indeed be settled in Greater Israel, but Gentiles will be excluded. However Gentiles will be among the "saved nations" surrounding Israel.

Christians tend to forget that God promised to Abraham the land between the Nile and the Euphrates. That land is reserved strictly for the twelve tribes. See Ezekiel 48.
 
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Yes, Christ is the Savior of all -- Jews and Gentiles. Presently He makes no distinction within the Church (one Body). But after the Rapture of the Church, God will deal directly with the Jews as a distinct entity. So the present is not to be confused with the future. See Romans 11 and all the prophecies regarding redeemed and restored Israel and Jerusalem on earth.

But you seem to be confusing Gentiles with Jews, although with God there is no such confusion (see Revelation 7). Those who belong to the twelve tribes will indeed be settled in Greater Israel, but Gentiles will be excluded. However Gentiles will be among the "saved nations" surrounding Israel.

Christians tend to forget that God promised to Abraham the land between the Nile and the Euphrates. That land is reserved strictly for the twelve tribes. See Ezekiel 48.

Yeah I don’t believe in pre trib rapture of the church but not the Jews ect so I can see why we’re not in agreement there but no harm no foul

Brother consider that the twelve tribes inheritance isn’t this one

“but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s not until this point brother that gods kingdom is upon earth

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.( this means thier borders are gone )

And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

See until this point the kingdom is in heaven but notice who is in the kingdom both the names of the twelve tribes , ( ot) and the names of the twelve apostles ( nt ) but same kingdom coming down from the new heaven

“And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; and had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, ( entry points ) and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

…And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.”( walls reach all nations now )
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:10-12, 14‬ ‭

I think we probably have a different idea about the rapture is probably why we’re not in line but your always worth considering in my book , the rapture though , isnt something I believe as some others do

This is what we’re seeing there

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy. And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying. There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed. And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them. They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands. They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them. And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear. The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:17-25‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 
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