The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

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If all for whom Christ died are not made alive, its a miscarriage of Justice, and it means that Christ's death did not abolish death !

The Lord Jesus Christ died for the sins of the whole world ... all descendants of Adam:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
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the Truth that Christs death effects conversion for all whom He died as Per 1 Pet 3:18

... as has been explained to you, 1 Peter 3:18 relates to those who are already born again as the verse refers to those who have a good conscience ... they have a good conversation [manner of life; lifestyle] in Christ ... yet they suffer for well doing (1 Peter 3:16-17).

For you to claim that 1 Peter 3:18 is speaking of "Christs death effects conversion ... as Per 1 Pet 3:18" you are saying that a person who is already born again needs to again be born again.

Under your erroneous dogma, how many times must a person be born again before he or she is really, really, really, truly, scout's honor, born again???
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The Lord Jesus Christ died for the sins of the whole world ... all descendants of Adam:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
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If all for whom Christ died are not made alive, its a miscarriage of Justice, and it means that Christ's death did not abolish death ! If you dont believe this , you in unbelief

 

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... as has been explained to you, 1 Peter 3:18 relates to those who are already born again as the verse refers to those who have a good conscience ... they have a good conversation [manner of life; lifestyle] in Christ ... yet they suffer for well doing (1 Peter 3:16-17).

For you to claim that 1 Peter 3:18 is speaking of "Christs death effects conversion ... as Per 1 Pet 3:18" you are saying that a person who is already born again needs to again be born again.

Under your erroneous dogma, how many times must a person be born again before he or she is really, really, really, truly, scout's honor, born again???
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The Truth that Christs death effects conversion for all whom He died as Per 1 Pet 3:18. If you dont believe this Truth, you in unbelief.

 

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... it means that Christ's death did not abolish death ! ...

... nope ... it means your erroneous dogma does not line up with Scripture.


Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive

Christs death effects conversion for all whom He died as Per 1 Pet 3:18

1 Peter 3:18 does not state that "Christs death effects conversion".

1 Peter 3:18 states that the Lord Jesus Christ brings the born again one to God:

1 Peter 3:16-18 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing. For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit

vs 16 - those who have a good conscience and a good manner of life in Christ are those who are born again.

vs 17 - those who suffer for well doing are born again believers ...

vs 18 - those who are brought to God are the born again ones who have a good conscience, a good manner of life in Christ, and who suffer for well doing in the midst of the foolishness of this present evil time.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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... nope ... it means your erroneous dogma does not line up with Scripture.


Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive





1 Peter 3:18 does not state that "Christs death effects conversion".

1 Peter 3:18 states that the Lord Jesus Christ brings the born again one to God:

1 Peter 3:16-18 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing. For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit

vs 16 - those who have a good conscience and a good manner of life in Christ are those who are born again.

vs 17 - those who suffer for well doing are born again believers ...

vs 18 - those who are brought to God are the born again ones who have a good conscience, a good manner of life in Christ, and who suffer for well doing in the midst of the foolishness of this present evil time.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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You deny that Christs death #1 abolished death for them He died and #2 converts them for whom He died, unto God 1 Pet 3:18 thats unbelief !

 

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Made us dead to the Law ! 5

Now what does this mean ? Rom 7:4

4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

If its indeed true that those who believe, were dead to the Law by the Body of Christ, again simply meaning by His Death, it means that Believers had a secret Union with Christ when He died for Our sins ! This is something that all religionists fail to understand, yet in order for Christ to have died legally for the sins of others 1 Cor 15:3, there had to be already established in the first place a legal union /bond, for that is first in importance; It had to be a Legal Ground and basis for God being able to charge Christ with sins of others in order for Him to die for them.

There had to be a preexisting condition/union, and that was established in the Eternal Purpose of God in Election before the Foundation of the World Eph 1:4, and so of Him [God the Father were we united to Christ, in Him with Legal Union 1 Cor 1:30

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

Without such Union in Him, there was no basis for Him being a Kinsmen Redeemer for Redemption.

Thats why Paul wrote that He Loved and gave Himself for the Church Eph 5:25,26 which is His Body Vs 26, hence He was the Legal Head of His Body the Church, His Wife also, making it a Just cause before God, to charge His wife sins to His account, or the sins of His Body to Him the Head !

 

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Made us dead to the Law ! 6

Continuing with that thought of Union with Christ legally, and because of it, who and what we are as sinners by nature, the children of wrath as others Eph 2:3, that was crucified with Christ, so we read Rom 6:6

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

In the original, it would better read, " Knowing this, that our old man was [past tense] crucified with Him "

Thats True only because of being in Union with Him. The original word for crucified systauroō actually means:

I.to crucify along with the word with denoting a Union association ! Thats Union with Christ !

Paul says the same thing of himself personally, though as just seen, it applys to all for whom He died Gal 2:20

I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Again, that's past tense, was crucified with Christ ! And notice, out of that and nevertheless he lived, out of being given Life from Christ !

Hence, it is no such thing as Christ dying for our sins without us already in the purpose of God being in Union with Him, those in 1 Cor 15:3

For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

The Ones " Our sins" applies to, every last one of them had to be in Union with Christ at the Time He died for their sins ! BTW that is an Election Union ! 35

 

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You deny that Christs death #1 abolished death for them He died and #2 converts them for whom He died, unto God 1 Pet 3:18 thats unbelief !

1 Peter 3:18 does not state that "Christs death effects conversion".

1 Peter 3:18 states that the Lord Jesus Christ brings the born again one to God:

1 Peter 3:16-18 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing. For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit

vs 16 - those who have a good conscience and a good manner of life in Christ are those who are born again.

vs 17 - those who suffer for well doing are born again believers ...

vs 18 - those who are brought to God are the born again ones who have a good conscience, a good manner of life in Christ, and who suffer for well doing in the midst of the foolishness of this present evil time.



READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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Now what does this mean ? Rom 7:4

4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

If its indeed true that those who believe, were dead to the Law

... the verse does not state that "those who believe, were dead to the Law".

Romans 7:4 states that believers become dead to the law. The believer was under the law until he or she believes ... at that point the believer become dead to the law.

This point is made clear in verse 6:

Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

now ... at the time a person is born again ... not at some point in the past as you insist in your complete and utter disregard of what is written in Scripture.

Quit manipulating Scripture in your futile attempt to align God's Word with your erroneous dogma. You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where you are in error, let go of the error.

Believers had a secret Union with Christ when He died for Our sins !

Scripture teaches that the Lord Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world ... all descendants of Adam ... the whole world:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

in order for Christ to have died legally for the sins of others 1 Cor 15:3, there had to be already established in the first place a legal union

... your claim that "there had to be already established in the first place a legal union" in order for "Christ to have died legally for the sins of others" is nothing but your futile attempt to align Scripture to your erroneous dogma.

God does not need to conform Himself to your vain reasonings in His desire to reconcile all mankind to Himself. God even tells us that the death of the wicked does not please Him and His desire is that the wicked turn to Him:

Ezekiel 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die ...

and so of Him [God the Father were we united to Christ, in Him with Legal Union 1 Cor 1:30

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

please note the verse states "are ye in Christ Jesus" ... the verse does not state "were we united to Christ" as you claim in your futile attempt to align Scripture to your erroneous dogma.


Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive
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Rom 6:6

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

In the original, it would better read, " Knowing this, that our old man was [past tense] crucified with Him "
Thats True only because of being in Union with Him.

... no, it's not "True only because of being in Union with Him".

What is written in Romans 6:6 is true because our old man being crucified with Him is something God works within the believer at the time he or she is born again.

The destruction of the body of death (the old man) is not something the believer is capable of doing in and of him or herself. The destruction of the body of death (the old man) is not something the law is capable of doing.

God brings about the destruction of the body of death (the old man) and God does so by birthing the new man within the believer at the time he or she is born again.

Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

We walk in newness of life because God creates the new man within the believer at the time he or she is born again and it is in the new man that we:

Romans 6:11-13 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.


Scripture tells us we are to put off the old man and put on the new man ... this is something we are to do:

Ephesians 4:

21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:

22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;

24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

1 Cor 15:3

For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

please note that 1 Cor 15:3 states that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures ... not according to your erroneous dogma.

You must first learn the Scriptures before you spout your nonsense.


Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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1 Peter 3:18 does not state that "Christs death effects conversion".

1 Peter 3:18 states that the Lord Jesus Christ brings the born again one to God:

1 Peter 3:16-18 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing. For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit

vs 16 - those who have a good conscience and a good manner of life in Christ are those who are born again.

vs 17 - those who suffer for well doing are born again believers ...

vs 18 - those who are brought to God are the born again ones who have a good conscience, a good manner of life in Christ, and who suffer for well doing in the midst of the foolishness of this present evil time.



READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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Again, you in unbelief, denying the converting power of the death of Christ, His death brings them He died for to God 1 Pet 3:18

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

The same truth is taught in Heb 2:9-10

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

The very man or Son He tasted death for, it brings them unto Glory, it made Him the Captain of their Salvation.

If we dont believe this, its unbelief

 

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... the verse does not state that "those who believe, were dead to the Law".

Romans 7:4 states that believers become dead to the law. The believer was under the law until he or she believes ... at that point the believer become dead to the law.

This point is made clear in verse 6:

Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

now ... at the time a person is born again ... not at some point in the past as you insist in your complete and utter disregard of what is written in Scripture.

Quit manipulating Scripture in your futile attempt to align God's Word with your erroneous dogma. You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where you are in error, let go of the error.





Scripture teaches that the Lord Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world ... all descendants of Adam ... the whole world:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.





... your claim that "there had to be already established in the first place a legal union" in order for "Christ to have died legally for the sins of others" is nothing but your futile attempt to align Scripture to your erroneous dogma.

God does not need to conform Himself to your vain reasonings in His desire to reconcile all mankind to Himself. God even tells us that the death of the wicked does not please Him and His desire is that the wicked turn to Him:

Ezekiel 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die ...





please note the verse states "are ye in Christ Jesus" ... the verse does not state "were we united to Christ" as you claim in your futile attempt to align Scripture to your erroneous dogma.


Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive
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Everyone Christ died for, by His death alone, made them dead to the law, and consequently they will be spiritually united to Christ by the new birth. Thats the reason He died for them, severed them from the law, inorder for them to be married Spiritually to Christ and bear spiritual fruit Rom 7:4

4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Fruit like Faith, Repentance, Obedience !

 

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His death brings them He died for to God 1 Pet 3:18

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

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Dishonesty by not quoting the context of that statement.

1 Peter 3:18 states that the Lord Jesus Christ brings the born again one to God:

1 Peter 3:16-18 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing. For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit

vs 16 - those who have a good conscience and a good manner of life in Christ are those who are born again.

vs 17 - those who suffer for well doing are born again believers ...

vs 18 - those who are brought to God are the born again ones who have a good conscience, a good manner of life in Christ, and who suffer for well doing in the midst of the foolishness of this present evil time.

The same truth is taught in Heb 2:9-10

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

vs 9 states that the Lord Jesus Christ tasted death for every man ... all mankind ... all descendants of Adam.

vs 10 states that the Lord Jesus Christ brings many sons unto glory ... if they're sons, they're already believers ... so, again, you make the same error as in your rendering of 1 Peter 3:18.

The very man or Son He tasted death for

According to Scripture, only the Lord Jesus Christ is referred to as "Son" (upper case "S").
descendants of Adam who are believers are referred to as "son" (lower case "s").

According to Heb 2:9, the Lord Jesus Christ tasted death for every man ... all descendants of Adam ... the whole world.

Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

it brings them unto Glory, it made Him the Captain of their Salvation.

According to Heb 2:10, only the believer is brought to glory:

Hebrews 2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
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Everyone Christ died for, by His death alone, made them dead to the law, and consequently they will be spiritually united to Christ by the new birth.

false statement.

The Lord Jesus Christ died for all mankind ... all descendants of Adam ... the whole world:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.


those who believe become dead to the law at the time they believe. Galatians 3 teaches that the law is a tutor to bring us to Christ in order that we may be justified by faith ... after we believe we are no longer under the tutor:

Galatians 3:24-25 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

Hosea 6:5-7,“Therefore I have hewn them by the prophets, I have killed them by the words of My mouth. And my right-rulings break forth as the light. “For I delight in loving-commitment and not slaughtering, and in the knowledge of Elohim more than ascending offerings. “But like Aḏam they transgressed the covenant. There they acted treacherously against Me.

A chance for humans to have mercy

Isaiah/Yeshayahu 53
1, "Who has believed our report? And to whom was the arm of יהוה revealed?"2, "For He grew up before Him as a tender plant, and as a root out of dry ground. He has no form or splendor that we should look upon Him, nor appearance that we should desire Him –"3, "despised and rejected by men, a man of pains and knowing sickness. And as one from whom the face is hidden, being despised, and we did not consider Him."4, "Truly, He has borne our sicknesses and carried our pains. Yet we reckoned Him smitten·, stricken by Yah, and afflicted."5, "But He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our crookednesses. The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed.

 

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1 Peter 3:18 states that the Lord Jesus Christ brings the born again one to God:

1 Peter 3:16-18 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing. For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit

vs 16 - those who have a good conscience and a good manner of life in Christ are those who are born again.

vs 17 - those who suffer for well doing are born again believers ...

vs 18 - those who are brought to God are the born again ones who have a good conscience, a good manner of life in Christ, and who suffer for well doing in the midst of the foolishness of this present evil time.





vs 9 states that the Lord Jesus Christ tasted death for every man ... all mankind ... all descendants of Adam.

vs 10 states that the Lord Jesus Christ brings many sons unto glory ... if they're sons, they're already believers ... so, again, you make the same error as in your rendering of 1 Peter 3:18.





According to Scripture, only the Lord Jesus Christ is referred to as "Son" (upper case "S").
descendants of Adam who are believers are referred to as "son" (lower case "s").

According to Heb 2:9, the Lord Jesus Christ tasted death for every man ... all descendants of Adam ... the whole world.

Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.





According to Heb 2:10, only the believer is brought to glory:

Hebrews 2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
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Another instance of unbelief in the efficasiousness of Christs death for them He died for, which brings them to Glory !

 

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false statement.

The Lord Jesus Christ died for all mankind ... all descendants of Adam ... the whole world:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.


those who believe become dead to the law at the time they believe. Galatians 3 teaches that the law is a tutor to bring us to Christ in order that we may be justified by faith ... after we believe we are no longer under the tutor:

Galatians 3:24-25 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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More unbelief, for everyone, every sinner Christ died for was made dead to the law, in order for them to be caused to bring forth fruit Rom 7:4

4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

The body of Christ here means His Death, that's how those believers were made dead to the law. Not by their faith but by Christs death.

 

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Another instance of unbelief

your complete and utter failure to acknowledge the truth revealed in Post 1714 is a prime example of "Another instance of unbelief" on your part.


1 Peter 3:18 states that the Lord Jesus Christ brings the born again one to God:

1 Peter 3:16-18 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing. For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit

vs 16 - those who have a good conscience and a good manner of life in Christ are those who are born again.

vs 17 - those who suffer for well doing are born again believers ...

vs 18 - those who are brought to God are the born again ones who have a good conscience, a good manner of life in Christ, and who suffer for well doing in the midst of the foolishness of this present evil time.



Hebrews 2:

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

vs 9 states that the Lord Jesus Christ tasted death for every man ... all mankind ... all descendants of Adam.

vs 10 states that the Lord Jesus Christ brings many sons unto glory ... if they're sons, they're already believers ... so, again, you make the same error as in your rendering of 1 Peter 3:18.
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for everyone, every sinner Christ died for

The Lord Jesus Christ died for all mankind ... all descendants of Adam ... the whole world:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

was made dead to the law, in order for them to be caused to bring forth fruit Rom 7:4

4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Only those who are born again become dead to the law and death to the law occurs at the time a person is born again.

Rom 7:4 clarifies that we are dead to the law ... that [we] should be married to another ... that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

We are not dead to the law so we can live unto ourselves. We are dead to the law ... that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Do you expect me (or anyone else for that matter) to believe the natural man ... those who are not born again ... can bring forth fruit unto God???

Only the born again believer can bring forth fruit unto God ... and in reading Romans 7:5, we find that the "fruit" of the unbeliever is unto death.

The body of Christ here means His Death, that's how those believers were made dead to the law.

read the verse again, brightfame52:

Romans 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Your ignorance of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ from the dead ... as well as your ignorance of the ascension of the Lord Jesus Christ into heaven limits your ability to comprehend what is written in Scripture.

Not by their faith but by Christs death.

Romans 1:17 For therein [in the gospel of Christ] is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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