The book of Job
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Noah was a prophet of God. So, naturally he had the priesthood of God. Shem was his son in good standing. So, naturally Noah would have passed the priesthood of God to his son.
Abraham moved from Ur to the land of Canaan where he paid tithe to Melchizedek. Thus, Abraham the great patriarch was subordinate.
Think of who Melchizedek could have been. Clearly he was a prophet of God. Where did this prophet of God come from, and having the priesthood of God. So while the information is vague, we do know that this prophet was critical, and the people named the priesthood of God after him. Thus, the priesthood of God is called the Melchizedek priesthood since that time.
So, who could this have been?
Also, Moses was a prophet of God. However, Moses was raised in Egypt. So while he should have received this priesthood knowledge from his Israeli brethren, he did not. So where did he learn? It was from Jethro, a man of God.
I think you mean "nowhere in the Bible". The Bible is not the sum total of God's speaking or of the truth. The Bible is a covenant, a legal document between God and man. There are other books that are relevant to the Bible, but may not be part of the Covenant.
Yes, you can draw a parallel between God slaying the animal to make skins for Adam and Eve, paying for their covering, to Noah also putting in the labor to build the ark that would cover his family in the flood to Job who offered up burnt offerings for his kids salvation. These are priestly acts.
By no means all prophets were priests. Isaiah and Jeremiah were prophets, but nowhere (as far as I am aware) do we read of them being priests.
I agree.
Melchizedek is not called a prophet (again, as far as I am aware), but a priest
Why should Moses have "received priesthood knowledge"? He did receive knowledge of what the priesthood was, directly from God, for God told him:
(Exo 28:1) "Now take Aaron your brother, and his sons with him, from among the children of Israel, that he may minister to Me as priest, Aaron and Aaron's sons: Nadab, Abihu, Eleazar, and Ithamar.
Later, we read detailed instructions given by God to Moses about the priests' garments, how they were to be consecrated, and what their duties were. However, we never read anything about Moses himself being a priest.
Heb 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
To be without descent, to have neither beginning of days, nor end of life, and to be made like the Son of God is to be God.
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Heb 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
Jesus is the Mighty God. Jesus and the Father are one.
Jos 5:14 And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?
Was the captain of the host of the LORD our Jesus? Whoever he was he was Holy. So where does that leave Melchizedek?
I wasn't arguing with what the Bible tells us about Melchizedek, but I was saying that some of the things you claimed about Melchizedek and others are not, as far as I know, in the bible, things like all prophets being priests (they weren't), Melchizedek being a prophet, and Moses "receiving priesthood knowledge."
All Christians are priests and they are not priests according to the order of the Levitical priesthood.
Hebrews makes this point explicitly, we are all priests but it can't be according to the Levitical priesthood because that is determined by genealogy, and it also points out our priesthood is superior to the Levitical priesthood. In the Levitical priesthood if you sin, you pay for your sin, then you are forgiven. That is not the New testament, in the New Testament Jesus pays for our sins and then we are forgiven, and then we are told to "go and do likewise". This is what God did when he made coverings for Adam and Eve, He paid for their sins. This is what Noah did when he built an ark to cover and protect his family to make it through God's judgment for sin. This is what Job does when he offers burnt offerings for the sins of his children. This is what Jesus does, and this is the ministry of reconciliation that Paul preached.
Hebrews makes this point explicitly, we are all priests but it can't be according to the Levitical priesthood because that is determined by genealogy, and it also points out our priesthood is superior to the Levitical priesthood. In the Levitical priesthood if you sin, you pay for your sin, then you are forgiven. That is not the New testament, in the New Testament Jesus pays for our sins and then we are forgiven, and then we are told to "go and do likewise". This is what God did when he made coverings for Adam and Eve, He paid for their sins. This is what Noah did when he built an ark to cover and protect his family to make it through God's judgment for sin. This is what Job does when he offers burnt offerings for the sins of his children. This is what Jesus does, and this is the ministry of reconciliation that Paul preached.
That wasn't me. I stick with the Bible. I am on your side. The only two I know of that are of the Melchizedek priesthood are Melchizedek and Jesus.
If you are referring to me, I never make the claim that all prophets in the Bible are priests according to the order of the Levitical priesthood. The only way you would make that misunderstanding is if you didn't read what I wrote and so did not understand the difference between the Levitical priesthood and the priesthood according to the order of Melchisedek. I explain based fully on the Bible that there are two different priesthoods, they operate very differently. I have explained quite clearly from Genesis, to Job to Psalms to Lamentations, to 2Corinthians, Hebrews, James, and 1 Peter concerning this Priesthood and show how Luke, Mark, John and Jude were also operating according to this priesthood and then also tie in the Old Testament prophets.
Each priesthood is addressing sins. The Levitical Priesthood is transactional, if you sin you must pay for your sins with an offering and then you can be atoned to God. It doesn't deal with sins once for all, rather it is like paying taxes every year. The Melchisedek priesthood is different, you pay for the sins of others. That is what God did when he clothed Adam and Eve. That is what Noah did when he built the ark. That is what Melchisedek did when he trained Abraham and his army to defeat the five kings. That is what Job did when he offered burnt offerings for his children's sins. That is what Jesus did when He offered up Himself for our sins. That is what Peter and Paul did when they gave their lifes to share the gospel.
I've been going through a job period lately, and failed miserably. Theft, rising costs, my stupid phone blocking an interview call about a second job. Let's just say I let my temper take over and more or less did what job's wife suggested.
This is why the two witnesses in Acts are Peter and Paul. Between them we have the full spectrum of believers, from those that deny the Lord and tell Jesus He doesn't need to go to the cross to those who embrace the cross and for them to die is gain and to live is Christ. Between those two every believer can find hope of salvation. That is why Peter is given the keys of the kingdom, he can open the door for everyone and take a brother like Mark who turned back from serving the Lord and make him into a brother that is useful to the Apostle Paul.I've been going through a job period lately, and failed miserably. Theft, rising costs, my stupid phone blocking an interview call about a second job. Let's just say I let my temper take over and more or less did what job's wife suggested.
They were all scattered, though John might be considered a different category.
Thank you, David. I did not mean to overlook anything. Give me the assignment, and I will do my best to answer.
And ZNP, the great apostle John, is with the Savior in all things. Thank you for mentioning that John is in a different category.
ZNP, I love your work and your knowledge. Thank you.